HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Whitesnake]

it's friday and work isn't too busy so let's look at how late riser Sennecke compared to Lindstrom and Iginla in early season rankings (mostly top 32s)

Elite Propsects September Ranking

2024 NHL Draft Ranking v1 - Elite Prospects

User submitted ranking at Eliteprospects.com - 2024 NHL Draft Ranking v1

www.eliteprospects.com

Lindstrom - 11
Sennecke - 26
Iginla - 52

Daily Faceoff July Ranking

2024 NHL Draft: A very early top 32 ranking

Macklin Celebrini and Cole Eiserman are among the top names to watch for the 2024 selection.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Lindstrom - Not in top 32
Sennecke - 18
Iginla - Not in top 32

Sportsnet October Ranking

Sportsnet's 2024 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings: First Edition

In our first rankings for the 2024 NHL Draft, Sam Cosentino starts with Macklin Celebrini at the top. Will he be able to hold that spot all season?

www.sportsnet.ca

Lindstrom - 16
Sennecke - 29
Iginla - NR

Hockey News September Ranking

https://thehockeynews.com/news/2024-nhl-draft-rankings-the-first-watch-list

Lindstrom - 25
Sennecke - NR
Iginla - NR


Yahoo (Ian Kennedy) October Ranking

2024 NHL Draft rankings: Two-horse race forming at the top

There's no Connor Bedard in the 2024 NHL Draft class, as two players are emerging as candidates to go first overall.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Lindstrom - HM 26-33
Sennecke - HM 26-33
Iginla - NR

Central Scouting October List

Lindstrom - A prospect
Sennecke - A prospect
Iginla - B prospect

Craig Button October

Craig’s List: Macklin Celebrini, Cole Eiserman in tight race for top spot for 2024 NHL Draft | TSN

While TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button has Boston University centre Macklin Celebrini at No. 1 on his list ahead of USNTDP winger Cole Eiserman, he believes the margin between the two players is razor-thin.

www.tsn.ca

Lindstrom - 19
Sennecke - 30
Iginla - NR

Pronman November list

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5014514/2023/11/01/nhl-draft-2024-prospects-rankings-in-season-celebrini/

Lindstrom - 10
Sennecke - NR
Iginla - NR

Wheeler August list

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4697400/2023/08/14/2024-nhl-draft-preseason-ranking-wheeler/

Lindstrom - HM
Sennecke - 21
Iginla - NR

Bob Mckenzie September list

Macklin Celebrini leads 'Big Three' atop Bob McKenzie's TSN pre-season NHL draft ranking | TSN

Nine out of 10 NHL scouts surveyed to determine TSN’s Pre-Season Top 16 Rankings slotted the 17-year-old Boston University freshman from Vancouver at the top of their respective lists.

www.tsn.ca

Lindstrom - HM 17-20
Sennecke - HM 17-20
Iginla - NR


Beckett Sennecke, the earliest late riser the NHL draft has ever seen

Here's the difference. 22-23. Late-rising is not a point about surge in points. They all surge when they put points on the board. It's called progression. Iginla's rankings followed his points surge from 18 to 84. Normal that he went from Who? to top 10. Sennecke.....it's all about attributes. While JK was about 2 tournaments, at least Sennecke people do go beyond the stats and think that once he puts the weight and gets accomadated to his body, that he could be a force. And that the surge in points, we will see it next year, in his D+1. It is a good bet to take. Very good. Top 5? Not for me. But maybe it is.

 

[McGees]

I'd tell people to get comfortable with the notion of Sennecke at 5. That noise ain't out there for no reason.

Ya it really is starting to feel like it. It was this time last year all the Reinbacher noise was going on to and people didn't want to believe that either.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I remember Huberdeau emerging late as a top 5 player too in his draft year. It did feel a lot like this one does.

 

[Shutdown]

What about his attitude problem that led him to be scratch earlier this year?

In no scenario i would pick him before Lindstrom/Iginla who seems to have already « professional mindset »

got a link for this? never heard of him being scratched for anything but an injury. Wheeler mentions a benching but it's vague and i haven't found any info on when it happened or why

 

[Hannibal]

got a link for this? never heard of him being scratched for anything but an injury. Wheeler mentions a benching but it's vague and i haven't found any info on when it happened or why

It was in a article about him. Was a comment from a OHL coach. Made it seems like his attitude wasn’t good, at least earlier this season. Red flag from me, especially at 5.

 

[McGees]

What matters more than momentum is psych evals and developping a player properly. Seemingly one or both failed in Kotkaniemis case.

They only came up with the $50 bill in the toilet question AFTER KK was drafted.
In fact, urban legend says, he inspired the team to come up with that question.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I have not seen him, does he play with his size? I don't mean a power forward but does he shy away from the corners or the slot??

He does not shy away from the slot (a lot of his offense comes here) or the corners. He's new to being big though so a lot of his approach is stick oriented right now. Nicholas would have a lot of fun growing that part of his game.

I see you often talk about stats as if it's overrated. You will never think that the lack of jump in stats between 1st and 2nd year is an issue?

What I personnally find special is the famous ''pace'' analysis. If JK's pace this year would have followed his first 12 games, he'd be a PPG player. I don't believe in pace. YES, what he did in playoffs IS impressive. No doubt. 'Cause it's often much tougher to produce 'cause you face better teams.

But then....why can't Greentree suddenly not become top 5? Skating? He improved it from start to finish. And there's a jump in stats and in play. What makes Sennecke a better prospect? Again...skating? If Greentree improved it...why can't he improved it more? Greentree also didn't have the team that Sennecke had.

So then, we just have to accept that Sennecke is a top 5 product and not Greentree?

And by the way...YES to your 3 arguments why he's not seen top 5. You are totally right. I understand that those points do not make it a fact. But it explains people worrying. If we pick him, should we automatically call him a bad pick and a bust? Nope absolutely not. I will REALLY be intrigued 'cause of everything that comes with him and his playoaffs stats, him still getting used to his body and style of play and all. He will be one of the most intriguing prospect in years. I will not miss one single game of his. But....possible that we'd found better players at that spot.

I will have Sennecke ahead of Greentree. And will have Sennecke in my top 12. But not top 5. Does that make me right? lol...of course not. My main problem is that he doesn't have the ratio quality/surefire type of prospect I'm loosking at in a top 5.

Why do we accept Iginlas production as true? He didn't do anything in his league last year but Sennecke did. What if his production was a mirage? The u18s he did most of his scoring on the powerplay.

Greentree isn't a top 10 guy because his skating is that bad and the u18s showcases he wasn't good. He had opportunities to announce himself and didn't, he could very well end up better than anyone we talk about like Robertson, but he hasn't shown enough tools or improvement to safely project him there.

My reference to points is whether it would alleviate others concerns? For me the production early in the season being low is explained by the growth spurt. He was always regarded well from last year when he was smaller, and this year even when the production wasn't there as it should be. That should say a lot about the player and him being seen as a mid first rounder based on tools and track record before he really blossomed.

The skilled beanpole is a high-risk profile regardless. He could be the next Scheiefle/Pettersson or the next Puljujarvi, Glass, Dal Colle, KK, Perlini, Kravtsov, Pouliot, Mueller, Paajarvi.

His growth spurt is a valid excuse, but at the end of the day it's still a very big IF. There's no guarantee that his balance issues resolve themselves with time, and it's important that they do because he won't be able to rely so much on his handling alone at the NHL level.

I like the player, but there are safer bets in the top 8 at least.

Iginla might be safer and that's the risk we run but haven't we been talking about swinging for fences? I still think the floor for Sennecke is fine as well. It's a swing I'm comfortable making if Lindstrom and Demidov are gone.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

it's friday and work isn't too busy so let's look at how late riser Sennecke compared to Lindstrom and Iginla in early season rankings (mostly top 32s)

Elite Propsects September Ranking

2024 NHL Draft Ranking v1 - Elite Prospects

User submitted ranking at Eliteprospects.com - 2024 NHL Draft Ranking v1

www.eliteprospects.com

Lindstrom - 11
Sennecke - 26
Iginla - 52

Daily Faceoff July Ranking

2024 NHL Draft: A very early top 32 ranking

Macklin Celebrini and Cole Eiserman are among the top names to watch for the 2024 selection.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Lindstrom - Not in top 32
Sennecke - 18
Iginla - Not in top 32

Sportsnet October Ranking

Sportsnet's 2024 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings: First Edition

In our first rankings for the 2024 NHL Draft, Sam Cosentino starts with Macklin Celebrini at the top. Will he be able to hold that spot all season?

www.sportsnet.ca

Lindstrom - 16
Sennecke - 29
Iginla - NR

Hockey News September Ranking

https://thehockeynews.com/news/2024-nhl-draft-rankings-the-first-watch-list

Lindstrom - 25
Sennecke - NR
Iginla - NR


Yahoo (Ian Kennedy) October Ranking

2024 NHL Draft rankings: Two-horse race forming at the top

There's no Connor Bedard in the 2024 NHL Draft class, as two players are emerging as candidates to go first overall.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Lindstrom - HM 26-33
Sennecke - HM 26-33
Iginla - NR

Central Scouting October List

Lindstrom - A prospect
Sennecke - A prospect
Iginla - B prospect

Craig Button October

Craig’s List: Macklin Celebrini, Cole Eiserman in tight race for top spot for 2024 NHL Draft | TSN

While TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button has Boston University centre Macklin Celebrini at No. 1 on his list ahead of USNTDP winger Cole Eiserman, he believes the margin between the two players is razor-thin.

www.tsn.ca

Lindstrom - 19
Sennecke - 30
Iginla - NR

Pronman November list

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5014514/2023/11/01/nhl-draft-2024-prospects-rankings-in-season-celebrini/

Lindstrom - 10
Sennecke - NR
Iginla - NR

Wheeler August list

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4697400/2023/08/14/2024-nhl-draft-preseason-ranking-wheeler/

Lindstrom - HM
Sennecke - 21
Iginla - NR

Bob Mckenzie September list

Macklin Celebrini leads 'Big Three' atop Bob McKenzie's TSN pre-season NHL draft ranking | TSN

Nine out of 10 NHL scouts surveyed to determine TSN’s Pre-Season Top 16 Rankings slotted the 17-year-old Boston University freshman from Vancouver at the top of their respective lists.

www.tsn.ca

Lindstrom - HM 17-20
Sennecke - HM 17-20
Iginla - NR


Beckett Sennecke, the earliest late riser the NHL draft has ever seen

I don't believe Ian Kennedy actually follows the draft at all, if he did he'd have never ranked Connelly lol

 

[Shutdown]

It was in a article about him. Was a comment from a OHL coach. Made it seems like his attitude wasn’t good, at least earlier this season. Red flag from me, especially at 5.

looked real hard and all i found was a third period+OT January benching that had to do with not backchecking. there's no article about him having a bad attitude with quotes from an OHL coach that i could find

 

[WeThreeKings]

looked real hard and all i found was a third period+OT January benching that had to do with not backchecking. there's no article about him having a bad attitude with quotes from an OHL coach that i could find

This is correct, there was a benching about that level of intensity on the other end of the ice prior to his big upswing and then wasn't an issue at all.

 

[Runner77]

Yeah, I'm fine with one of the top 3 skilled forwards in the draft who happens to be 6'3" with the 5th pick. If he played the whole year like he did down the stretch there wouldn't be much debate about it.

If Lindstrom had played the whole year, we probably would not be speculating on him making it to the 5th OA slot.

However, doesn’t mean one of the teams selecting ahead of the Habs will be fazed by his lack of play once they see his medical records and that he’s able to perform at the combine.

 

[Whitesnake]

Why do we accept Iginlas production as true? He didn't do anything in his league last year but Sennecke did. What if his production was a mirage? The u18s he did most of his scoring on the powerplay.

Greentree isn't a top 10 guy because his skating is that bad and the u18s showcases he wasn't good. He had opportunities to announce himself and didn't, he could very well end up better than anyone we talk about like Robertson, but he hasn't shown enough tools or improvement to safely project him there.

My reference to points is whether it would alleviate others concerns? For me the production early in the season being low is explained by the growth spurt. He was always regarded well from last year when he was smaller, and this year even when the production wasn't there as it should be. That should say a lot about the player and him being seen as a mid first rounder based on tools and track record before he really blossomed.

Because draft year production is usually what makes a kid get the rankings he gets? Who in the history of any draft did you see kids get 80 plus points at draft year and it didn't reflect on their draft selection? Aside from much smaller players? Like Corey Locke. Who also happened to be really slow.

Usually a mirage production is based on either you are just a good junior player (see the same Locke). Or you are solely a product of. Mind you, I'm not going to advocate that Sennecke was solely a product of Ritchie. Way too easy to do that. I think they fed of each other. But the jump in points, aside from getting used to his body could also be explained by pairing both guys with each other. Please note that it could also be the explanation for Iginla rise..him playing with Cristall. And yes, Iginla ALSO was a big time riser.

But no, there are no other concerns for Sennecke than the ones you named. There's a PDS post-draft syndrom that we all have and we now think everybody will take the tangent of Galchy/JK/. We shouldn't do that.

Again, I won't have Sennecke as my top 5. Yet, if I'm a scout, have access to him, to his entourage, to the specialists as far as where his body can end up to be, there is NO DOUBT that he has the size, the speed, the IQ, the scoring touch to be a top end prospect. The tangibles are there. But D+1, no matter those, you have to wish to see a big jump in stats no matter how you see that.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Lindstrom isn't particularly relevant, I think if his medicals pan out and Demidov isn't there, they'll take him.

The question is, if Lindstrom and Demidov are somehow both gone, who is the guy between Sennecke and Iginla. There's people in both corners. I just think there is more resistance to Sennecke from Iginla stans than there is resistance to Iginla from Sennecke stans.

Which I still can't wrap my head around because they are both risers and this is a fan base that wants skill and when you watch the two, one guy clearly has superior skill (and no I'm not saying one is more effective than another here, Drouin has superior skill to Gallagher but Gallagher in his prime is a much more effective player).

 

[Lockin17]

I have seen MBN being pick up at #5 in some mock draft

 

[Saundies]

I'd tell people to get comfortable with the notion of Sennecke at 5. That noise ain't out there for no reason.

It really does seem to have that Slafkovsky/Reinbacher vibe to it. Honestly, with the discrepancy between a lot of the other F's after Celebrini/Demidov, I think I'd be cool with it. It's a bit of a reach but if they really believe he's the guy then okay.

If we're reaching, I'd rather reach with Iginla but I trust the scouts (at this point).

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Lindstrom isn't particularly relevant, I think if his medicals pan out and Demidov isn't there, they'll take him.

The question is, if Lindstrom and Demidov are somehow both gone, who is the guy between Sennecke and Iginla. There's people in both corners. I just think there is more resistance to Sennecke from Iginla stans than there is resistance to Iginla from Sennecke stans.

Which I still can't wrap my head around because they are both risers and this is a fan base that wants skill and when you watch the two, one guy clearly has superior skill (and no I'm not saying one is more effective than another here, Drouin has superior skill to Gallagher but Gallagher in his prime is a much more effective player).

Yeah I guess they'll just have to split the vote and opt for...

Berkly

 

[WeThreeKings]

Because draft year production is usually what makes a kid get the rankings he gets? Who in the history of any draft did you see kids get 80 plus points at draft year and it didn't reflect on their draft selection? Aside from much smaller players? Like Corey Locke. Who also happened to be really slow.

Usually a mirage production is based on either you are just a good junior player (see the same Locke). Or you are solely a product of. Mind you, I'm not going to advocate that Sennecke was solely a product of Ritchie. Way too easy to do that. I think they fed of each other. But the jump in points, aside from getting used to his body could also be explained by pairing both guys with each other. Please note that it could also be the explanation for Iginla rise..him playing with Cristall. And yes, Iginla ALSO was a big time riser.

But no, there are no other concerns for Sennecke than the ones you named. There's a PDS post-draft syndrom that we all have and we now think everybody will take the tangent of Galchy/JK/. We shouldn't do that.

Again, I won't have Sennecke as my top 5. Yet, if I'm a scout, have access to him, to his entourage, to the specialists as far as where his body can end up to be, there is NO DOUBT that he has the size, the speed, the IQ, the scoring touch to be a top end prospect. The tangibles are there. But D+1, no matter those, you have to wish to see a big jump in stats no matter how you see that.

I agree that the challenge is figuring out if the post January 1st and playoff production is the real Sennecke. The thing is, when a player does show that level of play, at that age, over a sustained period of time, it does show they have that in them.

Pronman described Sennecke as someone who has loud tools and he does. He's a very toolsy player. So if you evaluate both him and Iginla as being true to their production in the back half of the year, which toolkit and player has the higher upside down the line?

People are divided on both. Even Pronman today said some scouts have Iginla top 10, others have him in the teens and that they have questions on the sense and the playmaking.

I just don't see anyone saying it's a tragedy to take Iginla at 5 but others who say it is if we took Sennecke. I can't get there. There's questions on both and I'd be pleased with both. I get having a preference or a lean one way or the other, I don't get behind Sennecke as not a top 5 pick but Iginla is.

 

[Addik04]

Lindstrom isn't particularly relevant, I think if his medicals pan out and Demidov isn't there, they'll take him.

The question is, if Lindstrom and Demidov are somehow both gone, who is the guy between Sennecke and Iginla. There's people in both corners. I just think there is more resistance to Sennecke from Iginla stans than there is resistance to Iginla from Sennecke stans.

Which I still can't wrap my head around because they are both risers and this is a fan base that wants skill and when you watch the two, one guy clearly has superior skill (and no I'm not saying one is more effective than another here, Drouin has superior skill to Gallagher but Gallagher in his prime is a much more effective player).

I am surprised a bit. I almost feel like you are Sennecke's agent for a few weeks vs Habs Halifax who is Iginla's agent.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I am surprised a bit. I almost feel like you are Sennecke's agent for a few weeks vs Habs Halifax who is Iginla's agent.

I let SlafySZN deal with them, I've seen some screenshots and it's clear they've never watched Iginla. I'll engage with Iginla fans like WS, Hannibal and NP because I can tell by their analysis they've actually watched him.

 

[le_sean]

The skilled beanpole is a high-risk profile regardless. He could be the next Scheiefle/Pettersson or the next Puljujarvi, Glass, Dal Colle, KK, Perlini, Kravtsov, Pouliot, Mueller, Paajarvi.

His growth spurt is a valid excuse, but at the end of the day it's still a very big IF. There's no guarantee that his balance issues resolve themselves with time, and it's important that they do because he won't be able to rely so much on his handling alone at the NHL level.

I like the player, but there are safer bets in the top 8 at least.

Safe doesn’t win you Cups. We don’t have the luxury of drafting generational players or having high profile free agents sign. After Demidov and Lindstrom, I don’t see any forwards with 70+ point potential available. Maybe Catton, but we are currently seeing what size brings a team in the playoffs, so what good is a Marner-lite? Sennecke maybe has that potential in an enticing physical package.

We took the gamble with Slafkovsky, he had the attitude to go with the skill and physicality. A lot will come down to the interviews. Does Sennecke want to improve, is he wired similarly to Slaf? If so, I can see why NHL teams would consider him this high.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I think the comparaison is the way he plays, competitive, some some spark and can just hit the edges and score by beating dmen with physique vs speed

Tbh, if Iginla ends up being a bigger and better skating version of Gallagher, that's a solid pick at 5.

Yes. The goal is having a top 6 winger and out of Lindstrom, Demidov and Sennecke I feel he is the safer to become one. I still prefer Catton but getting Iginla would be very nice!

 

[Shutdown]

while i'm on the Sennecke train if Demidov and Lindstrom are gone, i do understand why someone would be partial to Iginla.
i'd be lying if i said i wasn't worried that Sennecke turns into a Burakosvky-type and Iginla into an Oshie.

but as others have said, you've got to trust the interview process and the scouts who had the balls and foresight to pick Slaf.

 

[HuGort]

This is how I see the draft falling, top 15 mock draft.

1-Macklin Celebrini C

2- Ivan Demidov F

3- Anton Silayev D

4- Cayden Lindstrom C

5- Konsta Helenius C

6- View attachment 877613 Artem Levshunov D

7- Sam Dickinson D

8- Zeev Buium D

9- Carter Yakemchuk D

10- Cole Eiserman F

11- Tij Iginla F

12- Berkly Catton F

13- Beckett Sennecke F

14- Zayne Parekh D

15- Michael Brandsegg-Nygard F

​

Babrov has shown preference to go Euro with his top pick before. If Hughes takes Helenius hope he trades down. Get extra first.

 

[Schooner Guy]

looked real hard and all i found was a third period+OT January benching that had to do with not backchecking. there's no article about him having a bad attitude with quotes from an OHL coach that i could find

This is correct, there was a benching about that level of intensity on the other end of the ice prior to his big upswing and then wasn't an issue at all.

Good grief! Has it really come to a point that a 17 year old getting benched a shift for accountability purposes (coaching 101) is being held against that player's draft status?

We better put 90% of the kids eligible for this draft on our DND list.

 

[SwiftyHab]