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Who do you want at #5?

  • Tij Iginla

    Votes: 209 49.5%

  • Cole Eiserman

    Votes: 14 3.3%

  • Berkly Catton

    Votes: 92 21.8%

  • Konsta Helenius

    Votes: 13 3.1%

  • Beckett Sennecke

    Votes: 75 17.8%

  • Zayne Parekh

    Votes: 19 4.5%
  • Total voters
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Jaynki said:
That would be very amateurish to ignore the Ds.
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It's not amateurish at all.. in the top 10 of the draft, when you are looking at players that are going to be part of your NHL team in 1-3 years, you have to weigh in to account what are the right fits for what you are trying to build.

They are going to have an opportunity to add a strong offensive prospect to a pool that needs them. Adding another defenseman into the equation where they already have a logjam and Hutson/Engstrom/Reinbacher are scheduled to arrive next year, would compound an existing problem.

It's easy to say just trade your surplus for a forward, but you have to have the right circumstance happening and that may not happen on the right schedule.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
It's not amateurish at all.. in the top 10 of the draft, when you are looking at players that are going to be part of your NHL team in 1-3 years, you have to weigh in to account what are the right fits for what you are trying to build.

They are going to have an opportunity to add a strong offensive prospect to a pool that needs them. Adding another defenseman into the equation where they already have a logjam and Hutson/Engstrom/Reinbacher are scheduled to arrive next year, would compound an existing problem.

It's easy to say just trade your surplus for a forward, but you have to have the right circumstance happening and that may not happen on the right schedule.
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I agree with your point but missing a D that may end up better than Guhle and Reinbacher because we needed a top 6 forward is repeating KK/Tkachuk all over again in my opinion. It really depends on who the forward available at our pick will be. If we pick seven and Lindstrom and Demidov are gone but Dickinson is still on the table, i could totally understand picking him above the likes of Catton or Eiserman or Iginla.

Just to be clear, i am not advocating for taking a D, i want a strong offfensive forward too, but we can't dismiss the likes of Dickinson, Silayev and Levshunov.
 
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Jaynki said:
I agree with your point but missing a D that may end up better than Guhle and Reinbacher because we needed a top 6 forward is repeating KK/Tkachuk all over again in my opinion. It really depends on who the forward available at our pick will be. If we pick seven and Lindstrom and Demidov are gone but Dickinson is still on the table, i could totally understand picking him above the likes of Catton or Eiserman or Iginla.

Just to be clear, i am not advocating for taking a D, i want a strong offfensive forward too, but we can't dismiss the likes of Dickinson, Silayev and Levshunov.
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I just don't see it happening.

Dickinson is basically Guhle.. why would they use a high draft pick on another iteration of the left shot top pair guy they already have?
Silayev is another left shot defenseman, who has 3 years on his contract in Russia, don't think they are gonna let another club be in charge of developing someone that explicitly needs dewvelopment.
Levshunov is the only option there, and we won't be picking him because we won't be picking at a spot where he will be available.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
I just don't see it happening.

Dickinson is basically Guhle.. why would they use a high draft pick on another iteration of the left shot top pair guy they already have?
Silayev is another left shot defenseman, who has 3 years on his contract in Russia, don't think they are gonna let another club be in charge of developing someone that explicitly needs dewvelopment.
Levshunov is the only option there, and we won't be picking him because we won't be picking at a spot where he will be available.
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in a world where the Habs pick 7th or 8th, Lindstrom and Demidov are somehow both gone. Ds like Yakemchuk and Dickinson are available. at this point in the season you go Catton? Iginla?

not that i'm following this draft all that closely this year but i agree that at equal talent i would put an onus on a forward if the skill level is there to justify it.
 
Shutdown said:
in a world where the Habs pick 7th or 8th, Lindstrom and Demidov are somehow both gone. Ds like Yakemchuk and Dickinson are available. at this point in the season you go Catton? Iginla?

not that i'm following this draft all that closely this year but i agree that at equal talent i would put an onus on a forward if the skill level is there to justify it.
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You go Catton, Helenius, Eiserman or Iginla.

Yakemchuk is a great RD prospect but the feet aren't great and the IQ is questionable. He wouldn't play above Reinbacher defensively and may not project as good offensively as Mailloux.

Dickinson is literally Guhle.. I don't think that would be smart asset management.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
I just don't see it happening.

Dickinson is basically Guhle.. why would they use a high draft pick on another iteration of the left shot top pair guy they already have?
Silayev is another left shot defenseman, who has 3 years on his contract in Russia, don't think they are gonna let another club be in charge of developing someone that explicitly needs dewvelopment.
Levshunov is the only option there, and we won't be picking him because we won't be picking at a spot where he will be available.
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Because it is strongly possible he is the BPA when we pick.
 
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A lot of teams behind us need defensemen, and 4 of the top 10 will be D (Luvshenov, Silayev, Dickinson and Buium). Celebrini is gone first. So that leaves us one of Lindstrom, Helenius, Demidov, Eiserman or Catton/Iginla.

Hopefully, with some magic Hugues is able to trade WPG 1st and move up 10 ranks to pick Adam Jiricek. Otherwise let's go for Cole Huston just for the fame of having Hutson and Xhekaj brothers.
 
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What's the consensus on Helenius? Is he projected to be more of a center or a winger at the NHL level?

He has insane Liiga production for a 17 year old and I've seen him listed as both a center and a rw which is ideal for us imo. Dach's health has to be a concern for management going forward, so grabbing a guy that you ideally want to play on the wing, but can fill into the 2C spot if Dach gets injured seems like a smart move. Or if he pans out better at center then we know Dach on the wing is a viable option.
 
BergevinBurner said:
What's the consensus on Helenius? Is he projected to be more of a center or a winger at the NHL level?

He has insane Liiga production for a 17 year old and I've seen him listed as both a center and a rw which is ideal for us imo. Dach's health has to be a concern for management going forward, so grabbing a guy that you ideally want to play on the wing, but can fill into the 2C spot if Dach gets injured seems like a smart move. Or if he pans out better at center then we know Dach on the wing is a viable option.
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Winger for me.

Helenius is that meh option at the end of the good options. He doesn't solve our skill level deficit.
 
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BergevinBurner said:
What's the consensus on Helenius? Is he projected to be more of a center or a winger at the NHL level?

He has insane Liiga production for a 17 year old and I've seen him listed as both a center and a rw which is ideal for us imo. Dach's health has to be a concern for management going forward, so grabbing a guy that you ideally want to play on the wing, but can fill into the 2C spot if Dach gets injured seems like a smart move. Or if he pans out better at center then we know Dach on the wing is a viable option.
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Helenius is a super smart player with an average at best skill set. I might be singing the choir on this one, yet I would only be good with the Habs drafting him in the middle-to-late stages of the first round, or later of course. Leaning winger as well in the long run.

I'm quite wary on using player production in Liiga as an argument related to upside or downside.
 
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BergevinBurner said:
What's the consensus on Helenius? Is he projected to be more of a center or a winger at the NHL level?

He has insane Liiga production for a 17 year old and I've seen him listed as both a center and a rw which is ideal for us imo. Dach's health has to be a concern for management going forward, so grabbing a guy that you ideally want to play on the wing, but can fill into the 2C spot if Dach gets injured seems like a smart move. Or if he pans out better at center then we know Dach on the wing is a viable option.
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Probably a winger but I see a future where he can be a Aho too. Not who I want with the pick though.
 
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I really hope they draft one of the top3 forward this year, please not another defenceman again this year.....

Celebrini----> The DREAM
Lindstrom----> 1st line Center finally!
Demidov----> 1st line all star winger

Catton----> I really like him, I could live with this pick around 7th.
Helenius---> Consolation prize I guess
 
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One of the things we have to pay attention to is what needs the teams picking in front of us have. Unlike last year, there are several good defenseman in this draft that could get drafted based on team need and push a higher ranked forward down to us.

Anybody got any knowledge on the needs of other teams?
 
rochab said:
One of the things we have to pay attention to is what needs the teams picking in front of us have. Unlike last year, there are several good defenseman in this draft that could get drafted based on team need and push a higher ranked forward down to us.

Anybody got any knowledge on the needs of other teams?
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my best guesses from looking at recent drafts and current rosters, assuming they're picking between 2-8

Chicago - D
San Jose - D
Anaheim - F
Columbus - D
Ottawa - D
Buffalo - F
Minnesota - D
 
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SwiftyHab said:
Scout 1: "So who would you say is his closest comparable?"

Scout 2: "Ummm...Lindros and Lindstrom. What more do you need?"

DRAFT THAT MAN!
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Agreed, lazy ass comparison. Not every big guy with jam and hands is Lindros calisse.

Just like not every point producing D-man in college is the next Makar.

And not every two-way center with good upside is the next Toews.
 
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