dreadpirateroberts
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I really hope Tampa's pick is somewhere between 11-13.
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I really hope Tampa's pick is somewhere between 11-13.
belfour30
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I thought that 2026 1st round pick was protected because it goes to the Blackhawks if 2025 is in the top ten.
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The 2024 Tampa pick is top 10 protected.
If Tampa's 2024 pick ends up in the top 10, they will owe Chicago their 2026 1st round pick unprotected.
This is because Tampa traded their 2025 1st round pick to Nashville.
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So how was Tampa able to trade their 2025 1st rounder if they already had traded their 2024 1st rounder with top ten protection? You would think that the 2025 pick would not be available since it could possibly end up being the Hawks.
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ClydeLee
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I'm pretty sure it always has been,
If 2023 pick was top 10, Hawks get 2025 unprotected pick. If 2024 pick was top 10, Hawks get 2026 pick. Like I thought it was always thay way.
The Nashville trade would of pushed back if it had to.
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I thought I read that the Blackhawks get 2025 and Nashville gets bumped back to 2026 if this year's pick is protected, but not sure how accurate that is. Not a lot of clear info available
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I'm surprised none of the beat writers have been able to give us a definitive answer regarding what happens if that pick is top 10 this year.
From what I understand, we'll get the 2026 pick if top 10 conditions are met for this draft. That seems to be the consensus here.
But what the hell are the conditions of the 1st from the Jeannot trade? Top 10 protected, but what year does that pick turn into if it's top 10? Do they get that 2026 1st if we get the 2024 first? Do they get stuck waiting to 2027 if Tampa shits themselves and keeps their next two picks due to drafting in the top 10 in consecutive years? Did that trade mean that the Bolts are surrendering the 2024 pick no matter what it is, so they could make a trade potentially involving the 2026 pick (if the conditions for the 2025 pick pushes it to 2026)?
A bit of clarity here would be nice given the fact that Tampa looks like shit, they've only collected 3 out of a possible 8pts to start this season, and Vasi is MIA until December (maybe later).
From what I understand, we'll get the 2026 pick if top 10 conditions are met for this draft. That seems to be the consensus here.
But what the hell are the conditions of the 1st from the Jeannot trade? Top 10 protected, but what year does that pick turn into if it's top 10? Do they get that 2026 1st if we get the 2024 first? Do they get stuck waiting to 2027 if Tampa shits themselves and keeps their next two picks due to drafting in the top 10 in consecutive years? Did that trade mean that the Bolts are surrendering the 2024 pick no matter what it is, so they could make a trade potentially involving the 2026 pick (if the conditions for the 2025 pick pushes it to 2026)?
A bit of clarity here would be nice given the fact that Tampa looks like shit, they've only collected 3 out of a possible 8pts to start this season, and Vasi is MIA until December (maybe later).
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I think that's what would happen, yeah.
But I agree it would be nice to get some investigative journalism here just to confirm things.
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Would be wild to be in a position to make a deep playoff run in 2026 and also have a lottery pick for the draft.
Having a high end player on an ELC would be like adding jet fuel to a fire for a cup caliber team in terms of depth.
Having a high end player on an ELC would be like adding jet fuel to a fire for a cup caliber team in terms of depth.
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2026 is a long ways off, but if we're looking long term, it could be huge for the organization to get a top 5 pick from Tampa. Colorado got 4th overall in 2017 (Makar) for trading Duchene to Ottawa. Ottawa got 3rd overall in 2020 (Stutzle) for trading EK to San Jose.
Imagine drafting a player of that caliber, along with Oliver Moore, for Brandon Hagel? Love Hagel, but I love that future a f*** ton more.
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Yeah Oliver Moore alone makes that trade a W. Like there's no way a prospect of his caliber should've been available there.
But throw in an additional top 5/10 pick courtesy of a deteriorating Lightning squad?
Hagel is great, but not that great.
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The best case scenario is that TBL pick becoming unprotected in 2026.
That season would have…
Hedman 35
Stamkos 36 (assuming he resigns with Tampa)
Kucherov 33
Point 30
That’s an old, old core with zero prospect depth. I’d much rather role the dice on that with no protection.
That season would have…
Hedman 35
Stamkos 36 (assuming he resigns with Tampa)
Kucherov 33
Point 30
That’s an old, old core with zero prospect depth. I’d much rather role the dice on that with no protection.
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The pick is either a 2024 or 2025 1st for us.
If Tampa picks top 10 this year we get the 2025 pick unprotected. Then Nashville will get 2026 pick unprotected.
If Tampa is not in the top ten we get the 2024 pick.
If next year Tampa picks in the top 10 Nashville will get the unprotected pick in 2026.
Trades don’t change after the fact.
“Hey Chicago sorry we owe you the unprotected 2025 pick but we traded it to Nashville so here is the 2026 pick instead.”
If Tampa picks top 10 this year we get the 2025 pick unprotected. Then Nashville will get 2026 pick unprotected.
If Tampa is not in the top ten we get the 2024 pick.
If next year Tampa picks in the top 10 Nashville will get the unprotected pick in 2026.
Trades don’t change after the fact.
“Hey Chicago sorry we owe you the unprotected 2025 pick but we traded it to Nashville so here is the 2026 pick instead.”
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I could see Tampa missing the playoffs with there goalie out 2 more months. I dont see them in bottom 10 the threshold to make EST playoffs is probably 5-8 pts higher so the teams that end up 9-11 will probably be 3 of the bottom 4 teams 13-16
That’s what I’ve been assuming. It makes no sense that Tampa could push off our pick year after year indefinitely.
at 500% we are the 11th worst team and we have gotten goal tending at .944 thru 4 games. last year the same goalies did .894. on 35 shots that is 1.96 this year compared to 3.71 last year. we are going to come back to closer to .900 goaltending at some pt. AR played a great game against TOR but he also got the benefit of some pucks that were high danger and not on NET. I remember maybe 5-10 that were in close and the either wiffed or went wide
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From what it sounded like when the trade happened, the 2023 1st was top 10 protected and would become their 2025 1st if conditions were met, while the 2024 1st was the same, but would become a 2026 1st if top 10 conditions were met.
That's why so many of us think it'd be bumped to 2026, because what ended up being the Moore pick was the one that could've became a 2025 pick if it had been top 10.
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Yeah I can't see Tampa finishing bottom 10 ... just have to hope they don't win the lottery finishing in the 11th spot!
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