2024 NHL Draft Thread - Upd: Draft Lottery is May 7th

[TLEH]

You cannot improve your position. That scenario is not a win. Also if you finish last and win I don’t think that counts either. It says improve your position

 

[clydesdale line]

This interview was 8 months ago but the 7:05 mark... guess who Celebrini's second favorite team was?

 

[TLEH]

He’s a big Toews guy. Shattuck.

 

[Drumman44]

If Hawks finish dead last but get bumped Down to #2after lotto is over ,do they still have a lotto chance for next draft or does landing at #2after a lotto considered a "lotto win" and this prohibits Hawks from the chance to win a lotto (ie. any of 2nd overall picks...but still could win a lotto to move up upto ten spots as long ascthatvis not 2stvorc2bd overall?

Itvis clear that if Hawks finish lastxand still draft at #1after lotto they still get a chance to win 3rd consecutive lotto next draft since the lotto did not move yhemUP.

But if they finished 2nd last this sesson and moved UP after lotto to#1they are prohibited from winning 1st orx2nd next sesson by winnibg alotto and moving UP.. butcagain if they did not movevup via lotto,they are back i the lotto chance to move up to #1or#2 the lotto after.


Ok...but if this loto draw they drop from#1(if finish last) to #2after lotto process does that mean they "won" a lottobsonce both #1amd#2draft spitsxresukt from lotto resukts.. Does a move down to #2overall after lotto constitute a lotto result wineben though they were forced to move down 1 spot or is it ONL apply if the lotto moves you UP to #1orto#2?


Logic would seem that a lotto win with a move up to #1or#2 from a lower draft spot triggers he 5year 2 lotto wins max allowed rules...butcthat a lotto survival of staying at #1or#2 after a lotto does not trigger the 2 in 5 years rule.
So a lotto penalty of moving down 2 sopts off #1or #2 pre-lotto you would also think could not
trigger the 2 in 5 rule.

However IF you finished last and tge survival of the lotto process bumped tou DOWN to #2 is that by NHL logic still a lotto "win" because in a lotto both #1and#2 overall picks are up for grabs,and so maybe they consider the lotto gave you a #2overall pick even though you were forced to move down a spot? In tge case of the lotto having no effect on moving you up or down and you retain your pre-lotto #1or#2 that cannot trigger any 2 in 5 lotto win ruke...butvifcrhevkitto has an effect changing yourcpre-loito posituob to#1or#2 maybe that is considered a lotto win even if it bumps you downa spit fron #1pre-loitt to #2 ...or does only getting bumped down itself after lotto not triggerxaby 2 in 5 rule regarding the next draft chances for a lotto win?

This is what I am not sure of.

I believe a lotto win is simply defined as “improving your draft position”

 

[Castle8130]

Tij Iginla could be a top 5 pick. He’s a great talent. I have him as the 4th best forward in the draft class. If the Hawks somehow get booted to 6-8 pick range, i want him

 

[TLEH]

Tij Iginla could be a top 5 pick. He’s a great talent. I have him as the 4th best forward in the draft class. If the Hawks somehow get booted to 6-8 pick range, i want him

I haven't watched him a ton, admittedly, but from what I have seen I wouldn't see him that high. Pretty slick kid with a good motor though.

 

[hawksrule]

Tij Iginla could be a top 5 pick. He’s a great talent. I have him as the 4th best forward in the draft class. If the Hawks somehow get booted to 6-8 pick range, i want him

I don’t see any possible way Chicago falls to the 6-8 range.

 

[Castle8130]

I haven't watched him a ton, admittedly, but from what I have seen I wouldn't see him that high. Pretty slick kid with a good motor though.

I still want either Celebrini, Demidov, or Lindstrom. Iginla and Catton are the consolation prizes that I think are bound for great success in the NHL as well. I'd order it in the order I just named them for preference. After that, it's a drop-off for forwards.

I don’t see any possible way Chicago falls to the 6-8 range.

I always build up the worse case scenario in my head so I'm not disappointed

 

[TLEH]

I don’t see any possible way Chicago falls to the 6-8 range.

Yeah lol even in best case scenario win wise, we likely only jump SJ.

 

[clydesdale line]

Let's hope we don't have to worry about any of that and Hawks stay at 1 and worst case scenario they drop to 3.

 

[TLEH]

2+1 last night against Kelowna.

I watched. He was dominant, again. Tij also went 2+1. He was very good. Cristall 1 assist and a dash 1. That a kid.

Tij assist was a sick backhand sauce.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Hope the Hawks are as high on this guy as I am. I feel like the Hawks future D becomes the "e" word if you add this guy on the right.

 

[hawksfan50]

I woukd not take Demidov ....priority goes to the 2 Centers Celebrini then Lindstrom...Demidov a RW...if Hawksxdraft 3vor later we switch to a top RD...I have them ranked as Parekh,Yakemchuk then Levshunov...but I think Parekh and YKrmchuk are so close on potential impact that I would not be unhappy if KD took Yakemchuk as 2st preference RF..They are both Great RD prospects
..Lrss certain onLevshunov's ceiling g ..I justcdonot see him with ability to take over games and impact scoring like Oatekh and Takemchuk can..EHIKE his starlight line spoed is fine I just do notcsee the agility and puck handling that Oarekh and Takemchuk have..I also think they are superior goal scorerspver Levshumov.
I am just more excited about them and the significant impact potential for an NHL team.


ButSTILk the strategy woukd be to get another top Center who is not "snalkl...and so the 6'0 Celebrini or the 6'4 Lindstrom ..Maybe Demidov is equal to Celebrini as BPA but he dors not project as a Center in the NHL and is inder 6'0 ...and I do not think KD will risk on a Russian anyway that t high in the draft duecto pitential delays before he can or will come over to the NHL...yeschis contract ends after next season...but Putin has threatenedcs new law to keep young nhl drafted Russians in Russia till a certain number of years have passed after their draft.. Notcsurechow ling that might be(till agec23,24,25?)..I do not want Hawks risking a delay tgat long if this law materializes as Putin has suggested he may institute.

So to me the scenario target list should be for Hawks drafting in any of the top 4 draft positions;

1.Celebrini
2 .Lindstrom
3.Parekh
4 Yakemchuk
(But I am ok ifKD has Yakemchuk ahead of Parekh)...but ifcHawksxdraftc3rdxand team drafting at#2took Demidov then Lindstrom still there a t#3..
If Hawks some how rise and finish 3rdvkast then get bumped down 2 spots by the lotto process then either Parekh or Yakemchulkor both could still be there depending on whether teams drafting before us took Demidiv and a LD ior Levshunov nstead of Parekh and or Yakemchuk.

In any case Celebrini,Lindstrom Parekh and Yachenchuk are ny top 4 potential targets depending on what pick we after lotto for our pick in round.one
Settled already in my mind.

As to the TB pick it should be in early 20s unless TB falters in remaining schedulecand falls back to late teens..The worst scenario is they rise to pick 29-30 by getting to EC Final orceven advancing past that to SC Final.

WE certainly do not want that to happen.

Anyway forTB pick in round one ,my targets :

i) Dean Letourneau C
ii) Andrew Basha LW
iii) Alfons Freij LD *

* If Freij lasts to our 1st pick in round 2 ...even better (but if Letourneau and Basha both gone by our TB pick in round1 ,I do notveantvto risk Freij being off the board when we pick earkybin 2nd round.

If Freij already off the board or we picked him with the TB pick in round one THEN other targets
If on the board for our own early pick pick in round 2:
.Nikita Artamanov RW
.Colton Roberts RD

For our middle pick of round 2(L .A. draft slot) if none of the above remain on the board:
.Markus Fernstrom RW
.Sam O'Reilly RW
.Atos Koivu C/RW

For our late round 2 pick (VAN pick slot):

.Nathan Villneuve W
.John Mustard LW

For our own pick early Round 3:

.Kasper Pikkarainen LW
.Keiron Walton RW
.Anthony Romani RW(undrafted in 2023)

But IF all above are off the board then take best goalie remaining (maybe a Russian goalie you can leave in Russia to develop ?)Have not checked out the goalie possibilities for this pick ..

Cannot say who we pick late in draft..
Longshot anyway...We do not have midx-roubd picks (no 4th or 5th rounders)

Anyway this bunch of targets for our draft spots in first 3 rounds is a good target list ,I think.

There may be some risers by final target list at end of season to add to my list..but weshalk see...

The idea of a short target list likecthisxis that you strike off targets as they get picked and go to the next targeton the list in your next pick till alk off the board..the morex argets you drafted from the list the more your targeting plan succeeded.

 

[MTU34]

Celebrini just pulled a Toews and dropped an f bomb in a post game interview

He’s a hawk

 

[clydesdale line]

Celebrini just pulled a Toews and dropped an f bomb in a post game interview

He’s a hawk

Literally had the same "oops" reaction afterwards as Toews.

 

[kmwtrucks]

on the prospect page people were raving about Celbrini game last night. he is still 17 for 5 more months. who would be the #1 center if we got him? depending on PK the #2 center and #1 get about the same total time. assuming they both are on PP1

 

[Kevin Musto]

on the prospect page people were raving about Celbrini game last night. he is still 17 for 5 more months. who would be the #1 center if we got him? depending on PK the #2 center and #1 get about the same total time. assuming they both are on PP1

Celebrini would be 2C, behind Bedard.

It'd be like the Hughes-Hischier setup in New Jersey.

 

[kmwtrucks]

Celebrini would be 2C, behind Bedard.

It'd be like the Hughes-Hischier setup in New Jersey.

some of that did not come thru clearly. Again we would all agree that the first few years would be bedard 1 Cele 2. the question would be at the point when we are a playoff team how would it be. I think it would come down to if one of them was much stronger on D. No clue on how advanced Cele is D wise

 

[WarriorofTime]

It's all semantics, 1A/1B run a couple of balanced lines with chemistry dictating who plays with each guy, both play PP1, it's not like Crosby and Malkin weren't both playing a normal 1st line share of minutes.

 

[hawksfan50]

Please clarify the 2 lotto wins only in a 5 year period rule.

Scenario #1:

Hawks finish last this season and get lucky in the lotto to draft#1 for 2nd straight draft ...but in this scenario they did notv "move up"...So does this scenario trigger thec2 in5 rule OR does tge fact they did not movevup still allow then a lotto chance for#1again in the 2025 draft?

Scenario #2:

Hawks finish 2nd last this season but win the #1 by moving up via lotto win...Clearly this triggers the 2 in 5 limitation rule for 2025 ...but are they still allowed to enter the 2nd lotto for#2 in 2025?

A. In 2024/25 say they finish 3rd worst ...are they allowed to enter the lotto in the 2025 draft after the #1has been drawn such that they still can move up from 3 pre-lotto to #2 ?

Or because they finished 3rd last pre-lotto they are prohibited from entering the 2nd lotto too because in this case a lotto win resukltss in a move up?

B.if they finished 2nd last in 24/25 season,and obviously cannot get the #1 via the lotto because of the 2vin 5 rule,a lotto win in the 2nd draw only keeps them in place ...so they should get to keep that lotto win for 2nd. But they could get bumped down 1 to 2 spots if the worst finish team got bumped down after the first draw ...Bit they did get a lotto chance to stay in place if they win that lotto...

My understanding is that there are 2 phases of lotto draws..

In the first draw the winner gets to move upto ten spots unless the worst finishe wins and stays in place.. only 11 worst finishing teams have a chance at #1if one of their assigned numbers is drawn.

In any event the numbers assigned to the team winning the phase 1 lotto then get removed and the lotto draw for #2and the other draft positions is held in the phase 2draw.

So does thec2 in 5 rule limit apply to lotto wins for #1only or does it apply to move ups only to #1or#2 via lotto wins from both phases of draws ?

 

[kmwtrucks]

I believe if we end up picking 1st or 2nd this year we are not eligible to pick first or 2nd the next 3 years after that.

 

[hawksrule]

I believe if we end up picking 1st or 2nd this year we are not eligible to pick first or 2nd the next 3 years after that.

Only if they move up in the draft order to do so.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Only if the Hawks move up because they won the lottery. If they win the first overall pick while being last in the entire league it doesn't count towards the two in five rule. Same thing applies with the second overall pick.

 

[clydesdale line]

When the Hawks are down a goal late in the 3rd period, I can see Bedard being on the wing with Celebrini playing center as the nuclear line. They'll also be on PP1 together. So I'm sure they'll be on the ice together alot.

 

[Kevin Musto]

When the Hawks are down a goal late in the 3rd period, I can see Bedard being on the wing with Celebrini playing center as the nuclear line. They'll also be on PP1 together. So I'm sure they'll be on the ice together alot.

Power play of Bedard-Celebrini-Nazar-Moore-Korchinski is insane