DisgruntledHawkFan
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I don't dislike Levshunov because he's Russian I dislike his game. An eighteen year old playing NCAA hockey would defect in an instant.
2024 NHL Draft Thread - Upd: Draft Lottery is May 7th
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EddieTheEagle
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Totally agree. I could more so see them shying away from Silayev and Demidov due to the increased uncertainty around those players. Lev is at least playing in the NCAA and would seemingly have a less complex path to the NHL, where they would have a better handle on his development.
Aside from Macklin (obviously), I could just see the Hawks prioritizing the "less risky" players like Eiserman, Lindstrom, Dickinson, and Catton.
So, if they aren't picking #1, I feel like I am prepared to see an arguable "reach" of a pick if we sit 2nd, 3rd, or 4th.
Chuck Testa
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I REALLY can't see the Hawks getting 1st overall in back to back years. Even if they finish dead last with the highest odds of picking 1st.
I would love to see that happen but I just can't see the lottery gods doing us a favor in back to back years. Not trying to be nihilistic, I just can't see that happening. The main boards would crash if that does happen though
TLEH
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For the record I really like Demidov's game. You just gotta have some nuts to take him at 2. MHL has zero track record when it comes to guys that good playing there in D0.
EddieTheEagle
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Please do not upset the lottery powers that be.I REALLY can't see the Hawks getting 1st overall in back to back years. Even if they finish dead last with the highest odds of picking 1st.
I would love to see that happen but I just can't see the lottery gods doing us a favor in back to back years. Not trying to be nihilistic, I just can't see that happening. The main boards would crash if that does happen though
Blessed @Rooh, please forgive Chucky, he knows not what he is meddling with, and may you be so gracious to grant all of us degenerate, illiterate, losers on HFHawks back-to-back #1s. Blessed be.
WarriorofTime
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Kucherov was in MHL in his draft year and the following. Went late second even with an incredible U18s. In hindsight, that was just a collective miss.
Yes, Demidov is getting a raw deal. Speculation is because he won’t extend with SKA. Can’t play in CHL because import ban, won’t get promoted to KHL or VHL even though he is good enough. Can’t showcase in junior international due to iihf ban. He’s doing all he can as a player in a league he’s too good for. You always worry about boredom/bad habits when it’s coming too easy and he’s not being challenged.
Hard to make comparison as many of his compatriots previously have gone to the CHL import draft. MHL will likely have to produce more good draft year or at least prior year draft year (circumstance based) future pros by necessity if import ban is to continue.
Yes, Demidov is getting a raw deal. Speculation is because he won’t extend with SKA. Can’t play in CHL because import ban, won’t get promoted to KHL or VHL even though he is good enough. Can’t showcase in junior international due to iihf ban. He’s doing all he can as a player in a league he’s too good for. You always worry about boredom/bad habits when it’s coming too easy and he’s not being challenged.
Hard to make comparison as many of his compatriots previously have gone to the CHL import draft. MHL will likely have to produce more good draft year or at least prior year draft year (circumstance based) future pros by necessity if import ban is to continue.
TLEH
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Yeah I mean he is getting a raw deal and not extending is likely why, doesn’t change my point that no one has ever been drafted that high from that league. Its still a factor.
MicronMega
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There really is no defined 2-7 this year. Last year Fantilli and Carlsson were the clear 2-3. This year after Celebrini it could go any direction. Levshunov, Silayev, Eiserman, Lindstrom, Catton and Demidov seem to be the most popular. We all know that someone is going to stand out in their given league during the playoffs or the world championships and that will lead to a rise in their ranking.
The issue with Silayev and Demidov is not so much the Russian factor or signing I feel like it is harder to scout him with the inability to get over there. Levshunov has already shown that he wants to be in the US and he has been very accessible at MSU.
If the Hawks miss out at Celebrini and with the current depth chart it would be tough to not take a big-powerful center with Lindstrom or a top pair RHD with Levshunov. Those two would fit the rebuild very well and plug the appropriate holes in the line up.
TLEH
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Yeah who played D0 in MHL, then the Q for D+2 and went in the second round. Oh yeah that was also 10 years ago.
You got anyone that went top 5 from the MHL?
So you think Kucherov shouldn't go 1st OA in 2011? Then Demidov shouldn't go either, of course.
TLEH
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It's exactly the same logic. Kucherov played in the MHL in his draft year and was basically ignored. Of course you hardly can say that Demidov is ignored, but for the kid who looks significantly better than Kucherov at the same age he's kinda underrated.
On the other hand if Michkov went 7th then Demidov should go at about the same number given this draft isn't as good as 2023.
TLEH
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It’s not the same logic. The risk taking a talented kid out of the MHL in the second isn’t the same risk as taking him at 2.
bwana63
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I REALLY can't see the Hawks getting 1st overall in back to back years. Even if they finish dead last with the highest odds of picking 1st.
I would love to see that happen but I just can't see the lottery gods doing us a favor in back to back years. Not trying to be nihilistic, I just can't see that happening. The main boards would crash if that does happen though
3 points for nihilistic.
Odds aren't in our favor (even at dead last), obviously, but we've got @Rooh
Castle8130
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Here are a few games of Levshunov. The game he played against Wisconsin was very impressive. He covers so much ice taking time and space away from the opposition. I project him being a similar talent level as Mo Seider. He doesn't quite have enough PP skill, but he has impressed me a ton this year away from the puck.
Levshunov is playing in NA so the Russian Factor doesn't really apply to him imo.
TLEH
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If things don’t go well here right away he can go back easily. It’s always a bit of a factor, but much less so than the others I agree. I wouldn’t not draft him because of it.
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I REALLY can't see the Hawks getting 1st overall in back to back years. Even if they finish dead last with the highest odds of picking 1st.
I would love to see that happen but I just can't see the lottery gods doing us a favor in back to back years. Not trying to be nihilistic, I just can't see that happening. The main boards would crash if that does happen though
We have Rooh and Uncle Gary!
Hypothetical:
If they gave only a pool of the top 3 LD and Top 3 RD and gave you a choice of only drafting all 3 of the LD orall 3 RD,I know I would be happier getting Levshunov Parekh and Yakemchuk than Dickenson Silayev and Buuim..
Now OF it was 3 Jaime Drysdale RD equivalents,sign me up for the 3LD over that..but this NOT a normal bunch of 3 top RD ...they ate such a high level ...maybe occasionally you get 1RD of their caliber in top 10..but 3 RD who you coukd make a casexalk belong top 3-5 overall?
No thisxis a special draft and they are extraordinary RD prospects.. I cannot see ANY of this crop of the top 3 LDs being that special.. Godd prospects yes..but NOT as extraordinary as the 3 RD's prpvide in projectile inpact star difference -maker value ...in my opinion .
If they gave only a pool of the top 3 LD and Top 3 RD and gave you a choice of only drafting all 3 of the LD orall 3 RD,I know I would be happier getting Levshunov Parekh and Yakemchuk than Dickenson Silayev and Buuim..
Now OF it was 3 Jaime Drysdale RD equivalents,sign me up for the 3LD over that..but this NOT a normal bunch of 3 top RD ...they ate such a high level ...maybe occasionally you get 1RD of their caliber in top 10..but 3 RD who you coukd make a casexalk belong top 3-5 overall?
No thisxis a special draft and they are extraordinary RD prospects.. I cannot see ANY of this crop of the top 3 LDs being that special.. Godd prospects yes..but NOT as extraordinary as the 3 RD's prpvide in projectile inpact star difference -maker value ...in my opinion .
Ya I guess he also has the contract negotiation leverage of "they'll pay me X in the KHL" but if he's the best player at the pick then you pick him regardless imo.
TLEH
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Winnipeg moved their first for Monahan. I think that should tell you all you need to know about this draft.
WarriorofTime
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WPG can't sign anyone not already there because they're probably a dead last FA destination. They have not great finances and a team that's top 6 in the western conference. They probably are YOLO'ing it and not worrying about draft pick consequences.
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