2024 NHL Draft Thread - Upd: Draft Lottery is May 7th

[ClydeLee]

WPG can't sign anyone not already there because they're probably a dead last FA destination. They have not great finances and a team that's top 6 in the western conference. They probably are YOLO'ing it and not worrying about draft pick consequences.

When they extended and didn't sell their guys this offseason they had to commit to going for it

 

[Idionym]

Winnipeg moved their first for Monahan. I think that should tell you all you need to know about this draft.

Contenders overpay for rentals every year regardless of draft class strength. I don't think it's indicative of much.

 

[bwanajamba]

Contenders overpay for rentals every year regardless of draft class strength. I don't think it's indicative of much.

For sure. 2015 was one of the best drafts ever and the Blackhawks gave up a first for Antoine Vermette.

 

[TLEH]

Yeah they’re a contender and it’ll be late but it’s Monahan. You heard teams hesitant to move picks in 23. I think it means a little.

That pick will be pretty late.

Yeah I know but a guy like Musty went 26 last year. I think you’re way more comfortable moving a 1st this year.

 

[ello]

KD better be watching what MTLs management just accomplished with Monahan.

Got a first to take his contract then flipped him for a first a couple years later.

 

[Section88]

What are the chances Demidov gets more games in the VHL this year?

 

[TLEH]

1st Star for Spokane last night in a 6-4 win over the Silvertips. 1+1 and the GWG. On pace for 113 in D0.

 

[hawksfan50]

It is interesting to contrast the rankings that came out 6 days ago from Will Scouching...very idiosyncratic and in a lot of cases way off rankings of most lists..

He calls this a Preliminary Ranking and will do a Final one by season end..

You can see his rankings if you Google Scouching Blogspot ...
You will see he gives a top 32 with comments on each player ...and then adds another 33-52 ranking (but just a ranking with no comments).,

He seems to really downgrade the OHL top prospects as they are higher on most other rankings..And downgrades all the top CHL dmen
For instance on his ranking Sam Dickinson is only #15 and Zayne Parekh only #22 ...he also does not have Cater Yakemchuk from the WHL in round one! Only ranks him #44..

He picks some obscure guys for later roubd one picks that he admits may get drafted only in late rounds or maybe not even at alk!
(You can also look for his YouTube session on his top 32).

He has 4 tiers for the top 52 he has ranked..

Tier 1= only 3 ...3 centers

Macklin Celebrini #1
Berkly Catton #2
Cayden Lindstrom #3

Tier 2 = he calls A Smattering Of Very Good
Options
= 7 players

#4 Ivan Demidov LW/RW
#5 Adam Jiricek LD
#6 Zeev Buium LD
# 7 Michal Brandsegg-Nygaard RW
#8 Nikita Artamanov LW
#9 Artyom Levshinov RD
#10 Andrew Basha LW

Tier 3 = he calls High Potential
Tools Boys

11.Cole Eiserman LW
12 Alfons Freij LD
13 Anton Silayev LD
14 Trevor Connelly LD
15 Sam Dickinson LD
16 Luke Misa LW
17 Liam Greentree LW
18 Emil Hemming RW
19 Igor Chernyshov LW
20 Sacha Boivert C
21 Tij Iginla LW

Tier 4= he titles The Dam Busts
(Indicating a bust risk if they do not
translate to the NHL).but sonevof these
he likes and they might make the NHL
If they improve in some aspects..

22 Zayne Parekh RD
23 Topics Hynninen LW-C
24 Danil Ustinkov LD
25 John Mustard LW
26 Lucas Petterson C
27 Michael Hage C
28 Teddy Stiga LW-C
29 Marcus Kearsey LD
30 Konsta Helenius C
31 Tomas Galvas RD
32 Miguel Marques

Then he ranks 18 more in thisxteir 4:

Of note in these tier 4 second rounders on his ranking :

#33 Michael Badinka LD

#42 Eemil Vinni G

#44 Carter Yakemchuk RD

#50 Ryerson Leenders G


So shocking that he ranks Dickenson Parekh and Yakemchuk and Silayev so low..and that Artamanov Basha ,Freij so relatively high compared to most other lists.

Also that Brandsegg Nygarrd is so high at #7 and that Eiserman only at #11.

I am very intrigued by Frij too but most lists have him as ax2md rounder or late first at best.

It could be that Scouching is ahead of the curve and by final list Freij could risevon mist lists and be taken intgevteebscton20s ..

Maybe Hawks take him with our TB pick?
Even though he isca LD.


I am not as high on Catton to put him at #2 overall..I think 7-10 range

And I am intrigued byvArtamanov's piotential..butvm I do not think Jawkscwill takeca Russian in round 1.. Maybexwith ourvfirstvpick of round 2 if still on the board.

But ltendvto agree with other rankings that Dickenson Patekh and YAKEMchik should be tier 1 dmen ..not mid-first o mid 2nd as Scouching places them.

I am still undecidrs where to rank Levshunov..#9may be is right ...but thatcwoukd be After Parekh and Yakemchuk forcRD and after Dickenson which to me should not be lower than top 8 ..

Another shocker Helenius at #30 ...consensusctop ten on most rankings ...I also like Scouching as not as impressed with his projection impactvpitebtial ...So yes..latevforst might be correct for him and the consensus may be wayoff.


1 final comment...Scouchinhvseemscto be saying what Orekh brings maybnevervtranslatevtobthevNHL...Hecsees morevkikevhogh points guys like Merkley who busted in the NHL .. and he seemscto onlynlikecParekh once he is in theo-zine..seenscto not give Parekh any creditvforvimprivibgvdefebsivelyvthiscseasonniver last ..which Ibandvother hers see.. ForvibstancexGrantMcCagg if Recrutes. Com loves Parekh ...insists he is notv a Merkley.. that he has improved reads in the d-zone and that he has engaged more in compete and in some 9 physical engagement this season defensively....He will always be a more stick in place defender than a physical defender...but it seems tries more this season to impede guys with more use of his body than he did last season...So to me there is hope he can improve enough as he fills out out sonevmore to use the body more.

To creditvJiricek as the top Dman prospect in tge draft despite struggling going from juniors to thetop mens'Leaguein Czechiavthen getting hurt and missing sonmich of the season to me is way too risky .. I amnotvsoldvon his offensive potential ...Defensively you do like the 4 way mobility ofvthe sjatingand the physical engagement..but not sure of his ceilin to bea # 1impact dman..
Most.lists have Jiricek in the 2nd half of round...Forecasts last season had himasxactop 5 ...Maybe Scouchibg going by last season and giving Jiricek a mulligan for this season ..but others feel that other dmen may have improved to surpass Jiricej in pitential.

It is a hard call ..

 

[Darkstar]

Outside of #1, this draft could go many different ways. I agree with Scouching on some things and strongly disagree on others. I agree with him on Parekh. I think he plays a extremely high-risk game that won't translate at this level. I also agree that he compares more to dmen that have struggled at this level than elite players like Makar or Hughes. I greatly prefer Buium over him. Let's get real about Silayev, any team picking him is drafting tools not skills. He has a lot of upside, but he needs a lot of work. I think Dickinson has a much higher floor.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Let's get real about Silayev, any team picking him is drafting tools not skills. He has a lot of upside, but he needs a lot of work. I think Dickinson has a much higher floor.

Everyone in this draft except Celebrini needs a lot of work.

So why not draft the guy who has the longest runway for growth?

 

[Darkstar]

Everyone in this draft except Celebrini needs a lot of work.

So why not draft the guy who has the longest runway for growth?

I'm not arguing against drafting him, I'm just trying to realistic about these prospects. I'm a big fan of Catton but I'd probably pick Lindstrom because of his upside, size, the fact we have so many sub 6' forwards already and I don't think he has clearly put himself on another level to Lindstrom.

 

[Kevin Musto]

I'm not arguing against drafting him, I'm just trying to realistic about these prospects. I'm a big fan of Catton but I'd probably pick Lindstrom because of his upside, size, the fact we have so many sub 6' forwards already and I don't think he has clearly put himself on another level to Lindstrom.

Lindstrom's ceiling is way higher than Catton

I'm not on the Catton bandwagon

Catton's ceiling is Tyler Johnson

Lindstrom's ceiling is Mikko Rantanen or Tage Thompson

 

[TLEH]

I think there is a legit chance that 1 or 2 of these guys that get drafted Top 10 this year don't play. If you're comfortable chasing that ceiling then have at it. Don't be the guy that takes a Dal Colle Top 5. We really can't afford that.

 

[Darkstar]

Lindstrom's ceiling is way higher than Catton

I'm not on the Catton bandwagon

Catton's ceiling is Tyler Johnson

Lindstrom's ceiling is Mikko Rantanen or Tage Thompson

You're welcome to your opinion but I think you are vastly underrating his upside.

 

[Kevin Musto]

I think there is a legit chance that 1 or 2 of these guys that get drafted Top 10 this year don't play. If you're comfortable chasing that ceiling then have at it. Don't be the guy that takes a Dal Colle Top 5. We really can't afford that.

Dal Colle couldn't skate

Won't have to worry about that when Davidson is your GM

 

[Malaka]

fortunately they'll be picking macklin

I know it’s selfish of me but I kind of don’t want them picking first just because I hope they win it the next year for McKenna

 

[MicronMega]

Lindstrom's ceiling is way higher than Catton

I'm not on the Catton bandwagon

Catton's ceiling is Tyler Johnson

Lindstrom's ceiling is Mikko Rantanen or Tage Thompson

I was thinking Byfield as a comparable to Lindstrom. You hope for high-end offense but a solid strong two-way center would be great too

 

[clydesdale line]

I know it’s selfish of me but I kind of don’t want them picking first just because I hope they win it the next year for McKenna

Why not both? If the Hawks stay at 1st pick, it doesn't count towards them "winning" the lottery like last season I believe. They stayed at their draft position.

 

[WarriorofTime]

McKenna is ‘26 Draft (late birthday)

 

[EddieTheEagle]

McKenna is ‘26 Draft (late birthday)

Correct. Next year is Hagens as the prize thus far. Was supposed to be Misa but he has seemingly not kept pace.

 

[Drumman44]

For sure. 2015 was one of the best drafts ever and the Blackhawks gave up a first for Antoine Vermette.

They also won the cup because of Antoine Vermette

 

[bwanajamba]

They also won the cup because of Antoine Vermette

He was a major contributor for sure. Was just saying that draft quality doesn't always affect a team's willingness to pay big for non-elite players at the deadline.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

If you told me that we could trade a late first round pick for two SCF game-winning goals, I would make that trade in a heartbeat all day, every day.

 

[TheFridge]

Lindstrom's ceiling is way higher than Catton

I'm not on the Catton bandwagon

Catton's ceiling is Tyler Johnson

Lindstrom's ceiling is Mikko Rantanen or Tage Thompson

Lindstrom doesn't play anything like either of those players. He's way more of a north-south player than either (especially Rantanen) and he doesn't have Tage's hands or shot.

 

[hawksfan50]

If Hawks finish dead last but get bumped Down to #2after lotto is over ,do they still have a lotto chance for next draft or does landing at #2after a lotto considered a "lotto win" and this prohibits Hawks from the chance to win a lotto (ie. any of 2nd overall picks...but still could win a lotto to move up upto ten spots as long ascthatvis not 2stvorc2bd overall?

Itvis clear that if Hawks finish lastxand still draft at #1after lotto they still get a chance to win 3rd consecutive lotto next draft since the lotto did not move yhemUP.

But if they finished 2nd last this sesson and moved UP after lotto to#1they are prohibited from winning 1st orx2nd next sesson by winnibg alotto and moving UP.. butcagain if they did not movevup via lotto,they are back i the lotto chance to move up to #1or#2 the lotto after.


Ok...but if this loto draw they drop from#1(if finish last) to #2after lotto process does that mean they "won" a lottobsonce both #1amd#2draft spitsxresukt from lotto resukts.. Does a move down to #2overall after lotto constitute a lotto result wineben though they were forced to move down 1 spot or is it ONL apply if the lotto moves you UP to #1orto#2?


Logic would seem that a lotto win with a move up to #1or#2 from a lower draft spot triggers he 5year 2 lotto wins max allowed rules...butcthat a lotto survival of staying at #1or#2 after a lotto does not trigger the 2 in 5 years rule.
So a lotto penalty of moving down 2 sopts off #1or #2 pre-lotto you would also think could not
trigger the 2 in 5 rule.

However IF you finished last and tge survival of the lotto process bumped tou DOWN to #2 is that by NHL logic still a lotto "win" because in a lotto both #1and#2 overall picks are up for grabs,and so maybe they consider the lotto gave you a #2overall pick even though you were forced to move down a spot? In tge case of the lotto having no effect on moving you up or down and you retain your pre-lotto #1or#2 that cannot trigger any 2 in 5 lotto win ruke...butvifcrhevkitto has an effect changing yourcpre-loito posituob to#1or#2 maybe that is considered a lotto win even if it bumps you downa spit fron #1pre-loitt to #2 ...or does only getting bumped down itself after lotto not triggerxaby 2 in 5 rule regarding the next draft chances for a lotto win?

This is what I am not sure of.