GDT: 2024 Draft Discussion

[Frk It]

It still drives me crazy we passed on Heidt three times in the second round. Absolutely predictable that kid would be excellent.

I liked him and would have taken a shot on him.

That said they gave him a 3/9 in compete in The Black Book and quotes from NHL scouts were pretty condemning. As I said in the other thread, guys like him lighting up Juniors in their +1 tells me nothing about how they well do against pros.

 

[HoweFan]

I liked him and would have taken a shot on him.

That said they gave him a 3/9 in compete in The Black Book and quotes from NHL scouts were pretty condemning. As I said in the other thread, guys like him lighting up Juniors in their +1 tells me nothing about how they well do against

Didn’t realize that was the take on him. I would have taken him in the second for sure. When he lasted as long as he did, is a telling statement from all the teams

 

[Konnan511]

Really hoping somehow Zeev Buium falls to us and we don't overthink the pick.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Really hoping somehow Zeev Buium falls to us and we don't overthink the pick.

How can you say that without knowing where we are picking? It strikes me as a very premature request.

 

[Konnan511]

How can you say that without knowing where we are picking? It strikes me as a very premature request.

How can I say we should pick a player who is projected to go middle of the first round around the same spot we will be picking? Quite easily, we should draft Zeev in the middle of the first round if he is available.

This is also the draft discussion thread, where we discuss....draft options?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

How can I say we should pick a player who is projected to go middle of the first round around the same spot we will be picking? Quite easily, we should draft Zeev in the middle of the first round if he is available.

This is also the draft discussion thread, where we discuss....draft options?

How can I say we should explore trading our 1st if it's beyond 22 if it gets us a young player (26 and under) that can assist the team in the future in a top 6 winger or top 4 D role?

 

[Konnan511]

How can I say we should explore trading our 1st if it's beyond 22 if it gets us a young player (26 and under) that can assist the team in the future in a top 6 winger or top 4 D role?

Good call, no more draft suggestions until after the trade deadline.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Good call, no more draft suggestions until after the trade deadline.

Hey, we can make draft suggestions. But the team is looking like it can make a real playoff push this year. And this draft doesn't look like it's anything special outside of the top 3 or 4 players so if we're picking 22-26 by the TDL I strongly consider moving that pick for defensive help and hope we get a 2nd back.

 

[Frk It]

Hey, we can make draft suggestions. But the team is looking like it can make a real playoff push this year. And this draft doesn't look like it's anything special outside of the top 3 or 4 players so if we're picking 22-26 by the TDL I strongly consider moving that pick for defensive help and hope we get a 2nd back.

We need to stay in the first…. Have you seen what we do with seconds?

 

[norrisnick]

We need to stay in the first…. Have you seen what we do with seconds?

What if we trade our first AND second for someone good?

 

[Frk It]

What if we trade our first AND second for someone good?

Depends who it is… I mean if it’s like another DeBrincat for a 1st, then psh that’s a no brainer

 

[norrisnick]

Depends who it is… I mean if it’s like another DeBrincat for a 1st, then psh that’s a no brainer

We just drafted ASP. How many DBCs do we need?

 

[Gniwder]

Hey, we can make draft suggestions. But the team is looking like it can make a real playoff push this year. And this draft doesn't look like it's anything special outside of the top 3 or 4 players so if we're picking 22-26 by the TDL I strongly consider moving that pick for defensive help and hope we get a 2nd back.

Defensive help won't do any good if Husso's in net.

The only way I see the Wings making noise in the playoffs is if Lyon becomes the #1 goalie, AND he's able to play against better teams the way he's been playing. No point in wasting picks if the team is looking at a first round exit.

 

[SantosHalper]

Blood is still boiling after the Sens game, start building murderers row. Start with Carter Yakemchuk, he certainly has what we need.

He’s certainly more involved in all the extra curriculars after the whistle. Yakemchuk is also more sneaky dirty. He never misses a chance to lay the lumber when nobody is looking. Other teams want to tear his head off for a reason, and it’s not only because he has punch me face. There’s a little bit of Cory Perry blood in his veins.

He was everything for Calgary; playing huge minutes, throwing the body (threw a huge hit in open ice), rushing the puck & dangling around opponents, making good pinches to prolong offensive time, competing hard defensively. There's a ton to like.

Yakemchuk gets frustrated after a hit along the boards, goes back at Mateychuck & won't let go of him despite another Warrior & then the refs stepping in.

He eventually wrestles Mateychuck free from the pile & they go at it, Carter threw 1 which knocks Denton's helmet off as he wrestled Mateychuck down.

Yakemchuk is really competitive, not afraid of the physical side at all. Its fun to watch.

he has the size/skills/mean streak that teams absolutely froth over while playing the most coveted position at RD. The guy is a unit.

he's mean to play against. When there's a battle in the defensive zone he's full-on aggressive trying to win it.

 

[Henkka]

Didn't Yzerman already address this need, by drafting those physical and mean guys at last drafts...

 

[SantosHalper]

Didn't Yzerman already address this need, by drafting those physical and mean guys at last drafts...

He did, but the ETA on Cleveland, Phelan, Mathurin is from unknown to never. Gibson, Buium, Johansson, Keenan ain't really physical threaths. It ain't easy to find guys who can really be intimidating and still play with the puck. I'd say the need is still there, since we keep seeing these cheap shots happening year after year.

I'd love to have forward, a "Tom Wilson" in the mix but this draft class doesn't seem to have one, not in the 1st round at least. Closest we could get is this guy Yakemchuk, 2nd oldest player in this draft. So physically he should be mature, 1 year in WHL and 1 in AHL could be enough. When at the same time Cleveland is probably starting his pro career and Phelan is still in the college, and Mathurin is a ECHL journy man.

 

[Frk It]

When thinking about who we should draft with our 1st round pick, I could care less if they are "mean" or not.

We need to worry about getting the best player possible, and that's it.

 

[lilidk]

I can't believe we could get this guy

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Where we draft depends on Larkin health, it's possible Yzerman will be selling big

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

When thinking about who we should draft with our 1st round pick, I could care less if they are "mean" or not.

We need to worry about getting the best player possible, and that's it.

What about the best mean player? This team could use a Gabriel Landeskog type.

 

[Frk It]

What about the best mean player? This team could use a Gabriel Landeskog type.

Eh. This team could use a Kucherov more than a Landeskog.

 

[SantosHalper]

When thinking about who we should draft with our 1st round pick, I could care less if they are "mean" or not.

We need to worry about getting the best player possible, and that's it.

Yakemchuk is ranked between 13-26 in 5 mock drafts, very much where Wings are most likely going to finish. It is a good chance that he is BPA when Wings are on the clock.

Eh. This team could use a Kucherov more than a Landeskog.

Currently Red Wings has scored 3rd most goals in NHL and our best prospects ain't even in the league yet. What Red Wings don't have and people seems to want, is 100-point guy. But it's not necessary to have one. Red Wings have couple potential PPG guys and plenty of potential 50-60 point guys, other teams can keep their perennial Art Ross contenders. It's not the trophy i want.

Vegas was 14th highest scoring team last season and won the Cup. Runner-up Florida 5th highest scoring team in the league. Conference finals losers, Dallas 7th highest scoring team and Carolina 15th most goals. At this rate Wings stay in the top-10 easily.

Skill level of the team ain't what im worried, there's plenty of that and like i said best prospects are still on their way(=more skill). But it's the softness what im worried about and it's only going to get tougher in playoffs. We need physicality as much as the skill. Jobs gets easier for the skilled guys when there is a physical threat watching their backs. And we really cannot afford Seider and Ed(soon) to do that job for them.

And like i said it's not easy to find players who can be intimidating and still play with the puck. Other teams ain't giving theirs without over payment and those who hit FA market are most likely broken bodies. Best way is the get them, is to draft them.

Or pick Zeev Buium and let's watch one of the Tkachuks wreck him in pieces and then complain here about it.

 

[Frk It]

Yakemchuk is ranked between 13-26 in 5 mock drafts, very much where Wings are most likely going to finish. It is a good chance that he is BPA when Wings are on the clock.

Currently Red Wings has scored 3rd most goals in NHL and our best prospects ain't even in the league yet. What Red Wings don't have and people seems to want, is 100-point guy. But it's not necessary to have one. Red Wings have couple potential PPG guys and plenty of potential 50-60 point guys, other teams can keep their perennial Art Ross contenders. It's not the trophy i want.

Vegas was 14th highest scoring team last season and won the Cup. Runner-up Florida 5th highest scoring team in the league. Conference finals losers, Dallas 7th highest scoring team and Carolina 15th most goals. At this rate Wings stay in the top-10 easily.

Skill level of the team ain't what im worried, there's plenty of that and like i said best prospects are still on their way(=more skill). But it's the softness what im worried about and it's only going to get tougher in playoffs. We need physicality as much as the skill. Jobs gets easier for the skilled guys when there is a physical threat watching their backs. And we really cannot afford Seider and Ed(soon) to do that job for them.

And like i said it's not easy to find players who can be intimidating and still play with the puck. Other teams ain't giving theirs without over payment and those who hit FA market are most likely broken bodies. Best way is the get them, is to draft them.

Or pick Zeev Buium and let's watch one of the Tkachuks wreck him in pieces and then complain here about it.

1) I think Yakemchuk is gone before we pick
2) I don’t really want to draft a defenseman again with our top pick (ideally)
3) I don’t give a f*** about losing to Ottawa in the regular season
4) I don’t think our goal production or offensive output is sustainable
5) You absolutely need stars in the playoffs (Vegas doesn’t win without getting Eichel)

 

[SantosHalper]

1) I think Yakemchuk is gone before we pick
2) I don’t really want to draft a defenseman again with our top pick (ideally)
3) I don’t give a f*** about losing to Ottawa in the regular season
4) I don’t think our goal production or offensive output is sustainable
5) You absolutely need stars in the playoffs (Vegas doesn’t win without getting Eichel)

1. That is possible.

2. Even if BPA was a d-man? Earlier you wanted a best possible player. I think Detroit's rebuild is in that phase where you target the type of players you don't have. But that just my opinion.

3. This has literally nothing to do with losing to Ottawa. This goes beyond that, this is about the cheap shots what Red Wings players has now endured year after year. Since the league does nothing about it, Wings has to do it by themselves.

4. Why not? I can see it slowing down but that much and like i said best prospects are on their way. Danielson is more skilled Copp, Kasper is more skilled than Veleno, Mazur is going to be at least good as Fabbri but more healthier. Then there is still Lombardi and Buchelnikov and as for the defense Ed and ASP is sure going to be higher scoring players than Petry and Chiarot. Scoring should at least stay the same, if not increase.

5. Ok but what defines a star, scoring? Larkin was a PPG last year, like Eichel. Any particular reason why Larkin cannot be a star? Or Seider? Or Ed? Or Ray? ASP? Danielson? Kasper? And 50-60 point guy, Marchessault won the Conn Smythe was he star before that? What you really need in playoffs is deep, well roled team.

Star studded Toronto and Edmonton doesn't do too well in playoffs and the reason is quite simple, poorly constructed team. Tampa lost their depth and suddenly they ain't that hot anymore.

 

[Frk It]

4. Why not? I can see it slowing down but that much and like i said best prospects are on their way. Danielson is more skilled Copp, Kasper is more skilled than Veleno, Mazur is going to be at least good as Fabbri but more healthier. Then there is still Lombardi and Buchelnikov and as for the defense Ed and ASP is sure going to be higher scoring players than Petry and Chiarot. Scoring should at least stay the same, if not increase.

Well.... I don't think any of these forwards that are "on the way" are trending well enough to not draft more forwards. In fact I would probably say the opposite.

 

[SantosHalper]

Well.... I don't think any of these forwards that are "on the way" are trending well enough to not draft more forwards. In fact I would probably say the opposite.

Pessimist never get disappointed, i get that.