Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[CanMerc]

Who do you think is available for "true 2C"?

Consider trade protection and cost of acquisition

Once you make your list, consider that about 10 other teams will probably be going after those guys. Do we have the assets to outbid them, and so we want to?

Consider if you want this team to win a Cup or just keep adding mediocre, meh players that don’t actually address any of our actual needs and the best we can hope for is we make the playoffs, and possibly the conference final.
Look at the teams that win…they don’t add Laughtons and Ristolainens..they add actual consequential players.
While I’m against 2•3 month rentals, I’d rather 2-3 months of a 2C like Nelson than a year or 2 of a bottom 6 meh like Laughton

 

[Gil Fisher]

Send Stanley + mid pick to ANA for Dumoulin…solves 2 problems

Was about to say similar; a package for Strome and Dumolin looks good if Stanley is included.

Stanley and Barlow?

 

[gojetsgo]

Consider if you want this team to win a Cup or just keep adding mediocre, meh players that don’t actually address any of our actual needs and the best we can hope for is we make the playoffs, and possibly the conference final.
Look at the teams that win…they don’t add Laughtons and Ristolainens..they add actual consequential players.
While I’m against 2•3 month rentals, I’d rather 2-3 months of a 2C like Nelson than a year or 2 of a bottom 6 meh like Laughton

if nelson becomes available they will take a hard run at him

 

[Gil Fisher]

Was about to say similar; a package for Strome and Dumolin looks good if Stanley is included.

Stanley and Barlow?

Might need to include a forward.

 

[CanMerc]

if nelson becomes available they will take a hard run at him

Personally, and I know it’s extremely unlikely, but I can dream…but personally, I’d love ROR

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Consider if you want this team to win a Cup or just keep adding mediocre, meh players that don’t actually address any of our actual needs and the best we can hope for is we make the playoffs, and possibly the conference final.
Look at the teams that win…they don’t add Laughtons and Ristolainens..they add actual consequential players.
While I’m against 2•3 month rentals, I’d rather 2-3 months of a 2C like Nelson than a year or 2 of a bottom 6 meh like Laughton

Vegas only added Barbashev when they won the cup, a Laughton like player.

I don't think anyone is out there that fits what you are looking for - sounds like Nelson isn't available right now.

Barron - Laughton - Iafallo would be an amazing 4th line for the playoffs with two 40 point guys that can play anywhere in the lineup

 

[CanMerc]

Might need to include a forward.

Pick one of Apples, Iafallo, or Barron…

 

[GNP]

Provorov would be an improvement on Stanley but he'd be a 3rd pair D. I think his trade cost would be too high for that role. Dumoulin would be much cheaper and probably add as much value. But the reality is that Arniel wants toughness in the line-up beyond Lowry, and even if the Jets acquire a LHD he's likely to use Stanley on RD to keep him in the lineup.

If that's the case, maybe the Jets should look to acquire a 4th line helmet puncher or a D with a bit more size and snarl.

Ideally, the Jets need another C with some size and speed that would upgrade on Namestnikov as a priority, and that won't be cheap. A player like McLeod could fill that role for an extended period. He's young, rangy and has great wheels.

Agree with this that Armiel wants toughness in the lineup, and although Stanley is not the toughest guy out there, he’s tough enough to be a deterrent to players taking cheap shots at our smaller talent guys. Nobody wants to get punched in the face by a 6’7 giant. Add Lowry in the lineup, and you have a lot of toughness to keep other teams honest.

 

[Flair Hay]

Curious, are you changing all 3 D pairs to fit Dobson in?

What would the pairings look like?

I think Dobson goes right to top pair and you reunite Stanley and DeMelo on 3rd pair

I think it is a pipe dream though.

 

[CanMerc]

Stanley is going to be our new Tyler Myers…frustrating as hell to watch but loved by the management

 

[Whileee]

Agree with this that Armiel wants toughness in the lineup, and although Stanley is not the toughest guy out there, he’s tough enough to be a deterrent to players taking cheap shots at our smaller talent guys. Nobody wants to get punched in the face by a 6’7 giant. Add Lowry in the lineup, and you have a lot of toughness to keep other teams honest.

Which potential playoff opponents would intimidate the Jets physically, especially with the Jets' lethal PP? Last year the Avs intimidated the Jets with their speed and forced the Jets to bench Stanley.

 

[CanMerc]

I think Dobson goes right to top pair and you reunite Stanley and DeMelo on 3rd pair

I think it is a pipe dream though.

Seems the most likely, though I’d be curious to see Samberg - Dobson as a middle pairing with Morrissey - DeMelo on top…but Pionk on the bottom pairing seems extremely unlikely

 

[Heldig]

Limiting trade targets to RW on non playoff contending teams...

I would love Chevy to add a RW:

Tuch
Bjorgstrand
Crouse
Rackell

Cozens
Dach


Connor - Scheifele - Vilardi
Ehlers - Lowry - Tuch/Bjorgstrand/Crouse...
Niedereitter - Kupari -Appleton
Perfetti - Namestnikov - Iafallo

 

[GNP]

Which potential playoff opponents would intimidate the Jets physically, especially with the Jets' lethal PP? Last year the Avs intimidated the Jets with their speed and forced the Jets to bench Stanley.

Very true what you say here, but I do know where Arneil is coming from as he’s been a player. I think it’s good to always have a couple very physical guys in the lineup.
Also guys like Lowry and Stanley can throw their weight around and intimidate players on other teams, if you want to do that.

I think the Jets have enough talent where they don’t have to do that, but it’s part of the game, and may depend on who your playing.

It also helps having big strong defenseman that can clear the front of the net of big forwards, that are blocking lines of sight for our goaltenders.

 

[Gm0ney]

IMO Pionk is several orders of difficulty harder to play against than Stan and even without the physicality so is Samberg. JMo is stratospherically harder to play against than Stan; and DeMelo too probably. As a facepuncher I guess you want willingness over skill, and Stan certainly antes up.

If this a 3rd pairing/ PK role then it's between Stan and Fleury. Not sure they'll add anyone else who fits this role perfectly but if they do maybe they're after a little more speed and mobility and quicker decision-making -- so, basically, someone who doesn't kill us in the POs.

There are definitely deals to be made. Not sure a pure rental in Laughton for a 1st rounder + is it.

Status quo is pretty good. Stanley-Miller has been a decent 3rd pairing. Samberg-Pionk is great, and Morrissey-DeMelo are solid.

Chevy should be looking for some cheap depth if injuries hit...but don't go breaking the bank. Depending on which defenseman got injured, the Jets have okay depth as it is.

 

[Buffdog]

Consider if you want this team to win a Cup or just keep adding mediocre, meh players that don’t actually address any of our actual needs and the best we can hope for is we make the playoffs, and possibly the conference final.
Look at the teams that win…they don’t add Laughtons and Ristolainens..they add actual consequential players.
While I’m against 2•3 month rentals, I’d rather 2-3 months of a 2C like Nelson than a year or 2 of a bottom 6 meh like Laughton

I don't disagree, but what if Nelson goes elsewhere and ROR (who I've wanted all season) isn't available?

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if all else fails, a guy like Laughton who pushes Kupari down the lineup and has great leadership skills and plays with drive is better than no upgrade at all

It's not my plan A, but I can still get behind it

 

[voyageur]

This is just more of Chevy ignoring the actual issue…Jets need a true 2C…we have since the first time we had Paul Stastny replace Little…that’s how long Chevy has been dancing around the issue and hoping he can fill the hole with a bargain bin deal.
Pay the price and fill the hole.
Laughton does nothing for this team…getting him doesn’t get us deeper into the playoffs…getting a true 2C and putting Lowry and Names where they best fit does that.

I can't be more adamant that this line of thinking is a fan bias.

I've been to a game this year where Namestnikov played Dallas and shut down Wyatt Johnston. Pretty good center. I was at a Vegas game where Namestnikov's line was the best offensive line. I thought Namestnikov was real solid against the Isles. You notice how he get to the right areas quickly. Last year the Jets had a better record with Namestnikov at 2C than Monahan.

I've gone through the Dubois era where Dubois was a complete non factor in the playoffs, and had to be switched to wing in favour an older slower Stastny at 2C. Missed the playoffs with the vaunted 2C. I've been through Kevin Hayes days. I'm looking forward to Yager as the Jets next Bryan Little, maybe one more year before he's ready for the show.

Just because Namestnikov isn't a big name doesn't mean he isn't getting the job done. I'm there's a lot of stats that can be found that say he is. There's not a long list of +18 centers in the NHL. Even Big Adam needs another positive result to get there.

If anyone is singling out Namestnikov as being unable to play playoffs, he's had more success than Ehlers, and Ehlers game still irks me when I see him in the corners or perimeter when the play is in front of the net. Hopefully he gets it this year. It's pretty clear Vlad understands Arniel's expectations.

I think it's just moving parts this team needs, and I see Laughton as a moving part. To keep the wheels turning and grind out offense with good defense. I noticed that his goal last night came from a defensive end play, skating to get up the ice with Konecny, and that's something I see Arniel wanting for the playoffs.

 

[CanMerc]

I don't disagree, but what if Nelson goes elsewhere and ROR (who I've wanted all season) isn't available?

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if all else fails, a guy like Laughton who pushes Kupari down the lineup and has great leadership skills and plays with drive is better than no upgrade at all

It's not my plan A, but I can still get behind it

I’m against wasting assets on a move just to make a move…if we can’t get what we need, why waste assets on what we don’t need?
Wait for offseason and reassess.

 

[Buffdog]

I’m against wasting assets on a move just to make a move…if we can’t get what we need, why waste assets on what we don’t need?
Wait for offseason and reassess.

Depends on the asset. You seem to value a very late 1st round pick more than I do

Like I mentioned, there's a very good chance that player doesn't even turn into an NHLer. Take a peek through the last 10 drafts at guys that went 28-32 and ask yourself if you'd rather have the average of those guys (not the outlier who turned into something), or a good 3rd line centre/great 4th line centre for 2 cup runs while you core is in it's prime

If we were talking about a 12th overall pick, I'd agree with you

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This is just more of Chevy ignoring the actual issue…Jets need a true 2C…we have since the first time we had Paul Stastny replace Little…that’s how long Chevy has been dancing around the issue and hoping he can fill the hole with a bargain bin deal.
Pay the price and fill the hole.
Laughton does nothing for this team…getting him doesn’t get us deeper into the playoffs…getting a true 2C and putting Lowry and Names where they best fit does that.

Absolutely.
Problem is, what legit 2C is available? All of the suggestions are too old, too young, too slow, too small, have trade protection, lack of compete, etc. I don't think there has been a single name brought up that isn't highly flawed in at least one significant way.

 

[CanMerc]

I can't be more adamant that this line of thinking is a fan bias.

I've been to a game this year where Namestnikov played Dallas and shut down Wyatt Johnston. Pretty good center. I was at a Vegas game where Namestnikov's line was the best offensive line. I thought Namestnikov was real solid against the Isles. You notice how he get to the right areas quickly. Last year the Jets had a better record with Namestnikov at 2C than Monahan.

I've gone through the Dubois era where Dubois was a complete non factor in the playoffs, and had to be switched to wing in favour an older slower Stastny at 2C. Missed the playoffs with the vaunted 2C. I've been through Kevin Hayes days. I'm looking forward to Yager as the Jets next Bryan Little, maybe one more year before he's ready for the show.

Just because Namestnikov isn't a big name doesn't mean he isn't getting the job done. I'm there's a lot of stats that can be found that say he is. There's not a long list of +18 centers in the NHL. Even Big Adam needs another positive result to get there.

If anyone is singling out Namestnikov as being unable to play playoffs, he's had more success than Ehlers, and Ehlers game still irks me when I see him in the corners or perimeter when the play is in front of the net. Hopefully he gets it this year. It's pretty clear Vlad understands Arniel's expectations.

I think it's just moving parts this team needs, and I see Laughton as a moving part. To keep the wheels turning and grind out offense with good defense. I noticed that his goal last night came from a defensive end play, skating to get up the ice with Konecny, and that's something I see Arniel wanting for the playoffs.

I’m not saying Namestnikov isn’t good, I’m saying he’s better suited as a bottom 6 C….that’s where his best value lies for the team. He is not a true top 6(2)C.
This team needs and has needed for some time…a true 2C…since Little left, and a true top pairing RHD, since Buff left…and Chevy hasn’t addressed either hole. He’s danced around them…he’s tried to bandage them, but he’s never properly fixed them. He reminds me of a kid collecting hockey cards…I need a Toffoli, a Monahan, a Schmidt, etc…none of which addressed any of our needs at the time, but he felt he had to have.
I’m tired of the kid folks ting hockey cards and want to see the Jets win…we are as close as we have been in years and right now is where you go all in…Laughton is not all in…Laughton is wasting assets and cap space we can use else where in addressing our actual needs.
Sure, if after we’ve filled our needs, we still gave space and want to get Laughton…great, he’d be a great addition…but he’s not the piece we should be focusing on now.

 

[Gm0ney]

IMO, (and for the purpose of discussion) they will look at a RHD - and one that is better than Demelo - assuming such a player is available, you then have a really solid top pair and good depth on that side down the pairings.
Demelo likely ends up on the 3rd pair with Stan - which should be a decent defensive pair
The expectation on the top pair is that it would be better - and hopefully that RH add would also add more physicality and open up JoMo to do what he does best - create offense (and less wear and tear).
The second pair remains as is - and that's fine.

We need a top pair that can play big minutes without wearing out JoMo - because we want JoMo out there for his offense (not that he can't defend).
We have a fairly solid 2nd pair
And we need a third pair that can defend, kill penalties
I don't see Stan going anywhere - I doubt very much that they see him as the guy to replace to have an impactful difference on our blueline - if they want to make changes in preparation for a long PO run, they likely are looking at what they can do to shore up the top pair.

Uh...are Morrissey-DeMelo not a really solid top pair already? DeMelo had a rough start to the year but he's come around in the last couple of months. Over the last 30 games, they're arguably among the Top 5-10 first pairings in the league.

 

[Bwadlay2]

Absolutely.
Problem is, what legit 2C is available? All of the suggestions are too old, too young, too slow, too small, have trade protection, lack of compete, etc. I don't think there has been a single name brought up that isn't highly flawed in at least one significant way.

Chevy will trade for someone that will surprise. See: Statsny, Paul

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Consider if you want this team to win a Cup or just keep adding mediocre, meh players that don’t actually address any of our actual needs and the best we can hope for is we make the playoffs, and possibly the conference final.
Look at the teams that win…they don’t add Laughtons and Ristolainens..they add actual consequential players.
While I’m against 2•3 month rentals, I’d rather 2-3 months of a 2C like Nelson than a year or 2 of a bottom 6 meh like Laughton

You're preaching to the choir.
Nelson is probably not available. If he is available, he still isn't a solution. 1) We would need to win the bidding. 2) We would need to extend him, and not for too long.

Getting a rental is just continuing the pattern you are complaining about. It is not a solution. It is a band-aid.

Name a real solution. If you can, I will be in favour of paying what it takes.

 

[Flair Hay]

Which potential playoff opponents would intimidate the Jets physically, especially with the Jets' lethal PP? Last year the Avs intimidated the Jets with their speed and forced the Jets to bench Stanley.

I feel like Vegas and their D is a real rough matchup for us