Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[DRW204]

the Jets are huge on being woke and lgbtq friendly. i highly doubt the org touches provorov, and seth jones probably too. CBJ also may be a PO team.

i also have a feeling the Jets may not view 3LHD as a need. Stanley has not been out of the lineup once this year via coach's decision. no matter how poor he is playing, he will be in the line-up. it's not rotation for him and has never been this season. i think there's a higher likelihood they look at an alternate for 3RHD than 3LHD.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Nope. Rosters are expanded after the deadline.

Yes you are absolutely correct - however if we trade right now - Lowry and Barron will eventually come off the IR and we would need to move someone down.

That is not a problem if you wait until the last day or 2, depending on schedule. Everyone is banged up with some form of ailment. It is not uncommon to place a banged up player on the IR, backdating to last game, then activating after the deadline - this you don’t have to risk losing anyone. Caveat is there needs to be some kind of injury, even if a player could play through it. For example - we could have put shcheifele in it during his wrist injury. It’s not nefarious we did or didn’t. That falls into medical staff, player and management discretion.

We have actually done something similar in the past to preserve waiver status during the season. I believe we did it with toninato most recently.

So for example if we sign oleksiak our last game was 2 games prior to the deadline we could place Stanley on retroactive IR for - pick an injury he is dealing with, and we could add a new player, then activate Stanley 5 days after the deadline.

That is not an option right now.

Edit: I went back and reread my original post. Yeah it was pretty wishy washy and not clear at all. That’s my bad - apologies.

Here is the roster size description from puckpedia:

 

[Whileee]

I think it's the battle level. I think there's another Iafallo like player you can add to the lineup. One who can play center.

I'm not relying on Flyers stats as an indication of his effectiveness. Just because I think Briere doesn't know how to build a successful team. Thought he fumbled last deadline with the Flyers headed to the playoffs.

I think that's fine but I'm not sure it's much of an upgrade. Basically you just push Namestnikov to the 4th line and Kupari and Gus out of the lineup. I'm not convinced Laughton will fit that well with Perfetti and Ehlers, but maybe he will. If Laughton is inexpensive, maybe. If he's expensive, I hope the Jets put a bit more on the table and get a clearer upgrade at C.

 

[scarbrow]

It surely does include Perfetti but the plus isn't as much as some would have you believe. I'd best the 1st does it? Perfetti is on the cusp of breaking out (or has already?). Plus Lou wouldn't have to tell him to shave!

I would give up a lot to acquire Dobson....unfortunately I think it would have to include Perfetti

Also think that Stan is in no matter what and they either look for 3RD or if they get a good LHD stan moves to the right side based on the fact they keep trying him there

Also think that Stan is in no matter what and they either look for 3RD or if they get a good LHD stan moves to the right side based on the fact they keep trying him there

 

[Whileee]

Laughton is a more reasonable option if the Jets have any concerns about Lowry's injury.

 

[Heldig]

More than happy to run with our 12 F up front into the playoffs!
Let’s get a stud defender like Dobson, and call it a day !
1st, lambert, ville/Stan ?

Curious, are you changing all 3 D pairs to fit Dobson in?

What would the pairings look like?

 

[Thechozen1]

Stanley on RD is worse than Stanley on LD, but there’s probably even less 3 RD’s available than 3 LD’s.

I fear Ristolainen and Stanley would be a train wreck. Savard/Schenn are probably not quick enough to cover for Stanley.

Who else is out there? Connor Murphy? Jan Rutta? Erik Johnson? Not sure they’re even upgrades on Miller.

 

[Whileee]

Stanley on RD is worse than Stanley on LD, but there’s probably even less 3 RD’s available than 3 LD’s.

I fear Ristolainen and Stanley would be a train wreck. Savard/Schenn are probably not quick enough to cover for Stanley.

Who else is out there? Connor Murphy? Jan Rutta? Erik Johnson? Not sure they’re even upgrades on Miller.

I think Miller is fine on a 3rd pair. I'm worried about the 3LD position.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Nope. Rosters are expanded after the deadline.

Talking about moves before the deadline. Replying to a post suggesting getting deals done early.

 

[Flair Hay]

I guess I struggle to understand how we would be looking at a guy like Laughton for the 2C. Seems like a great depth guy the more I look into him. Good character and a solid NHLer. Solid scoring 5v5 and plays PK well. But not as more than a solid depth piece that is interchangeable on the 4th line.

I think Miller is fine on a 3rd pair. I'm worried about the 3LD position.

I agree but I think the clear reality is Arniel's #5 is Stanley and #6 is Miller

 

[Flair Hay]

I guess I struggle to understand how we would be looking at a guy like Laughton for the 2C. Seems like a great depth guy the more I look into him. Good character and a solid NHLer. Solid scoring 5v5 and plays PK well. But not as more than a solid depth piece that is interchangeable on the 4th line.



I agree but I think the clear reality is Arniel's #5 is Stanley and #6 is Miller

I should add that if (to me, unexpectedly) the Jets do want to run Lowry at 2C with Ehlers and want a different checking C than Kupari... as @voyageur had suggested.

Then Laughton makes real sense for that role. Kupari provides almost nothing on offense. He has played really well defensively which is his role. But Laughton would bring more offense than Kupari. And you can still play Namestnikov in a checking role as well.

I like the idea of having a plus defensive center on every line outside of the top line. It allows us to get away from that matchup game i think we may be a bit too reliant on.

The team will be better the more it is able to roll 4 lines without feeling like a line can't win it's matchup.

 

[CanMerc]

I’d move Perfetti for Dobson in a heartbeat, as long as Ehlers was planning on extending.
As for Lambert, I add him to the untouchables list, for me at least. I think moving him would be a huge mistake and would come back and bite us in the ass.

Laughton does nothing for us unless Chevy wants to run Lowry at 2C, which would be a mistake for the playoffs. We need a true 2C.
I’m curious about Ryan Strome. Would the Ducks move him and what would they ask in return.
I like the idea of adding Bjorkstrand on the 2Nd line with Ehlers, and finding the right 2C fit to maximize the potential.
I’m not a fan of short term, 2-3 month rentals like Nelson would be. Would prefer at least some term...2yrs area
Middlestadt is to slow
Cozens would be a risk, but could work if he got his game together.

I pray to every god and demon every night that Chevy doesn’t waste assets on acquiring Ristolainen…I can’t think of a worse fit on the RD.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Provorov would be an improvement on Stanley but he'd be a 3rd pair D. I think his trade cost would be too high for that role. Dumoulin would be much cheaper and probably add as much value. But the reality is that Arniel wants toughness in the line-up beyond Lowry, and even if the Jets acquire a LHD he's likely to use Stanley on RD to keep him in the lineup.

If that's the case, maybe the Jets should look to acquire a 4th line helmet puncher or a D with a bit more size and snarl.

Ideally, the Jets need another C with some size and speed that would upgrade on Namestnikov as a priority, and that won't be cheap. A player like McLeod could fill that role for an extended period. He's young, rangy and has great wheels.

Which is really funny because there are smaller guys with more toughness and grit than Stan brings. But I suspect you are right. Stanley is our 3LD for the next 10 years.

 

[Thechozen1]

I think Miller is fine on a 3rd pair. I'm worried about the 3LD position.

Agreed, but on the premise that Stanley would be moved to RD if a LD was acquired then does Chevy pivot to RD instead in order to keep Stanley on his stronger side?

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Agreed, but on the premise that Stanley would be moved to RD if a LD was acquired then does Chevy pivot to RD instead in order to keep Stanley on his stronger side?

Stanleys stronger side is the other side of the glass.

 

[CanMerc]

Send Stanley + mid pick to ANA for Dumoulin…solves 2 problems

 

[BoneDocUK]

Which is really funny because There are smaller guys with more toughness and grit than Stan brings. But I suspect you are right. Stanley is our 3LD for the next 10 years.

IMO Pionk is several orders of difficulty harder to play against than Stan and even without the physicality so is Samberg. JMo is stratospherically harder to play against than Stan; and DeMelo too probably. As a facepuncher I guess you want willingness over skill, and Stan certainly antes up.

If this a 3rd pairing/ PK role then it's between Stan and Fleury. Not sure they'll add anyone else who fits this role perfectly but if they do maybe they're after a little more speed and mobility and quicker decision-making -- so, basically, someone who doesn't kill us in the POs.

There are definitely deals to be made. Not sure a pure rental in Laughton for a 1st rounder + is it.

 

[Buffdog]

IMO Pionk is several orders of difficulty harder to play against than Stan and even without the physicality so is Samberg. JMo is stratospherically harder to play against than Stan; and DeMelo too probably. As a facepuncher I guess you want willingness over skill, and Stan certainly antes up.

If this a 3rd pairing/ PK role then it's between Stan and Fleury. Not sure they'll add anyone else who fits this role perfectly but if they do maybe they're after a little more speed and mobility and quicker decision-making -- so, basically, someone who doesn't kill us in the POs.

There are definitely deals to be made. Not sure a pure rental in Laughton for a 1st rounder + is it.

Laughton has another year at 3M

 

[10Ducky10]

Laughton has another year at 3M

I wouldn't give more than a third for him and that won't get him.

 

[Buffdog]

I wouldn't give more than a third for him and that won't get him.

He's absolutely upgrade on Kupari in terms of scoring. Put him between Nino and Perfetti and you have a legit 2 way scoring line. Same with Ehlers - Lowry - Iafallo/Appleton

A 4th line of Barron Names Iafallo/Appleton is more of a 3rd line

Or maybe Chevy deals UFA Appleton to recover some draft capital

Put it this way... a guy drafted 28-32 has a 50/50 chance of playing 100 NHL games. Dealing our 1st for Laughton would mean we have him for that many games guaranteed

 

[LowLefty]

IMO Pionk is several orders of difficulty harder to play against than Stan and even without the physicality so is Samberg. JMo is stratospherically harder to play against than Stan; and DeMelo too probably. As a facepuncher I guess you want willingness over skill, and Stan certainly antes up.

If this a 3rd pairing/ PK role then it's between Stan and Fleury. Not sure they'll add anyone else who fits this role perfectly but if they do maybe they're after a little more speed and mobility and quicker decision-making -- so, basically, someone who doesn't kill us in the POs.

There are definitely deals to be made. Not sure a pure rental in Laughton for a 1st rounder + is it.

IMO, (and for the purpose of discussion) they will look at a RHD - and one that is better than Demelo - assuming such a player is available, you then have a really solid top pair and good depth on that side down the pairings.
Demelo likely ends up on the 3rd pair with Stan - which should be a decent defensive pair
The expectation on the top pair is that it would be better - and hopefully that RH add would also add more physicality and open up JoMo to do what he does best - create offense (and less wear and tear).
The second pair remains as is - and that's fine.

We need a top pair that can play big minutes without wearing out JoMo - because we want JoMo out there for his offense (not that he can't defend).
We have a fairly solid 2nd pair
And we need a third pair that can defend, kill penalties
I don't see Stan going anywhere - I doubt very much that they see him as the guy to replace to have an impactful difference on our blueline - if they want to make changes in preparation for a long PO run, they likely are looking at what they can do to shore up the top pair.

 

[CanMerc]

He's absolutely upgrade on Kupari in terms of scoring. Put him between Nino and Perfetti and you have a legit 2 way scoring line. Same with Ehlers - Lowry - Iafallo/Appleton

A 4th line of Barron Names Iafallo/Appleton is more of a 3rd line

Or maybe Chevy deals UFA Appleton to recover some draft capital

Put it this way... a guy drafted 28-32 has a 50/50 chance of playing 100 NHL games. Dealing our 1st for Laughton would mean we have him for that many games guaranteed

Laughton is absolutely not worth our 1st. We should be focusing on getting a true 2C and slotting our players where they’re best fit to help the team… Lowry at 3C and Names at 4C

 

[voyageur]

I’d move Perfetti for Dobson in a heartbeat, as long as Ehlers was planning on extending.
As for Lambert, I add him to the untouchables list, for me at least. I think moving him would be a huge mistake and would come back and bite us in the ass.

Laughton does nothing for us unless Chevy wants to run Lowry at 2C, which would be a mistake for the playoffs. We need a true 2C.
I’m curious about Ryan Strome. Would the Ducks move him and what would they ask in return.
I like the idea of adding Bjorkstrand on the 2Nd line with Ehlers, and finding the right 2C fit to maximize the potential.
I’m not a fan of short term, 2-3 month rentals like Nelson would be. Would prefer at least some term...2yrs area
Middlestadt is to slow
Cozens would be a risk, but could work if he got his game together.

I pray to every god and demon every night that Chevy doesn’t waste assets on acquiring Ristolainen…I can’t think of a worse fit on the RD.

Namestnikov is winning matchups, Lowry wins matchups. The stats aren't lying there. The 2 closest margins are the top line and the 4th line.

Laughton adds another potential center, anyone who watches Arniel coach realizes that he values centers for d-zone draws. Laughton is not great at any one area, but he's solid enough in a lot of them, that he can add depth beyond what Iafallo has brought from a 4th line role. The great unknown of what Perfetti will do in the playoffs is somewhat insulated too, as would be the loss of Namestnikov.

Laughton is absolutely not worth our 1st

Flyers have 3 1srs already. I think next year's 2nd would be in play. Something conditional, on results, and a b prospect.

 

[CanMerc]

Namestnikov is winning matchups, Lowry wins matchups. The stats aren't lying there. The 2 closest margins are the top line and the 4th line.

Laughton adds another potential center, anyone who watches Arniel coach realizes that he values centers for d-zone draws. Laughton is not great at any one area, but he's solid enough in a lot of them, that he can add depth beyond what Iafallo has brought from a 4th line role. The great unknown of what Perfetti will do in the playoffs is somewhat insulated too, as would be the loss of Namestnikov.


Flyers have 3 1srs already. I think next year's 2nd would be in play. Something conditional, on results, and a b prospect.

This is just more of Chevy ignoring the actual issue…Jets need a true 2C…we have since the first time we had Paul Stastny replace Little…that’s how long Chevy has been dancing around the issue and hoping he can fill the hole with a bargain bin deal.
Pay the price and fill the hole.
Laughton does nothing for this team…getting him doesn’t get us deeper into the playoffs…getting a true 2C and putting Lowry and Names where they best fit does that.

 

[Buffdog]

Laughton is absolutely not worth our 1st. We should be focusing on getting a true 2C and slotting our players where they’re best fit to help the team… Lowry at 3C and Names at 4C

Who do you think is available for "true 2C"?

Consider trade protection and cost of acquisition

Once you make your list, consider that about 10 other teams will probably be going after those guys. Do we have the assets to outbid them, and do we want to?