Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[GNP]

I can't be more adamant that this line of thinking is a fan bias.

I've been to a game this year where Namestnikov played Dallas and shut down Wyatt Johnston. Pretty good center. I was at a Vegas game where Namestnikov's line was the best offensive line. I thought Namestnikov was real solid against the Isles. You notice how he get to the right areas quickly. Last year the Jets had a better record with Namestnikov at 2C than Monahan.

I've gone through the Dubois era where Dubois was a complete non factor in the playoffs, and had to be switched to wing in favour an older slower Stastny at 2C. Missed the playoffs with the vaunted 2C. I've been through Kevin Hayes days. I'm looking forward to Yager as the Jets next Bryan Little, maybe one more year before he's ready for the show.

Just because Namestnikov isn't a big name doesn't mean he isn't getting the job done. I'm there's a lot of stats that can be found that say he is. There's not a long list of +18 centers in the NHL. Even Big Adam needs another positive result to get there.

If anyone is singling out Namestnikov as being unable to play playoffs, he's had more success than Ehlers, and Ehlers game still irks me when I see him in the corners or perimeter when the play is in front of the net. Hopefully he gets it this year. It's pretty clear Vlad understands Arniel's expectations.

I think it's just moving parts this team needs, and I see Laughton as a moving part. To keep the wheels turning and grind out offense with good defense. I noticed that his goal last night came from a defensive end play, skating to get up the ice with Konecny, and that's something I see Arniel wanting for the playoffs.

I agree with this post, and I think Namestikov is very good, and has great wheels, and has been a great 2 way center for the Jets. I think Names is very underrated on this board. Ehlers is having a great year, and Perfetti is starting to click, and Names is the Center for that line. Then look at the Jets record this year- best in the NHL, so do we really need another 2nd line center, when Names has been doing a good job in that position.

 

[gojetsgo]

I’m not saying Namestnikov isn’t good, I’m saying he’s better suited as a bottom 6 C….that’s where his best value lies for the team. He is not a true top 6(2)C.
This team needs and has needed for some time…a true 2C…since Little left, and a true top pairing RHD, since Buff left…and Chevy hasn’t addressed either hole. He’s danced around them…he’s tried to bandage them, but he’s never properly fixed them. He reminds me of a kid collecting hockey cards…I need a Toffoli, a Monahan, a Schmidt, etc…none of which addressed any of our needs at the time, but he felt he had to have.
I’m tired of the kid folks ting hockey cards and want to see the Jets win…we are as close as we have been in years and right now is where you go all in…Laughton is not all in…Laughton is wasting assets and cap space we can use else where in addressing our actual needs.
Sure, if after we’ve filled our needs, we still gave space and want to get Laughton…great, he’d be a great addition…but he’s not the piece we should be focusing on now.

he traded for pld to fix the 2nd line center spot but he didn't want to be here, I think it's very likely he looked everywhere to find longer term solutions and had to settle for trading late 1sts for rentals

a top pairing RHD? you are acting like these grow on trees... they are literally the hardest position to fill and 90% of the league is looking for that and if one ever does become available guess what, there is a extremely good chance they have trade protection

 

[Buffdog]

You're preaching to the choir.
Nelson is probably not available. If he is available, he still isn't a solution. 1) We would need to win the bidding. 2) We would need to extend him, and not for too long.

Getting a rental is just continuing the pattern you are complaining about. It is not a solution. It is a band-aid.

Name a real solution. If you can, I will be in favour of paying what it takes.

Would you trade for Cozens if the ask was Salo +?

BUF has almost zero RHD, so you gotta think that's how they'd start the convo. Somebody out there will probably pony up a righty for him...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Was about to say similar; a package for Strome and Dumolin looks good if Stanley is included.

Stanley and Barlow?

Strome has no trade protection and is under contract for 2 more years.
Dumoulin has trade protection, but he is nearing the end of his career. Why wouldn't he waive to play here for 2-3 months chasing a Cup?

I think it takes more than Stanley and Barlow. The add is probably our 1st.

 

[Gm0ney]

Chevy will trade for someone that will surprise. See: Statsny, Paul

You mean Doug Armstrong will call up Chevy out of nowhere and say, "Hey, you want Parayko for a 1st and Zhilkin or something?"

 

[Buffdog]

I have a feeling by the end of the break. Chevy will have spoken to the camps of the UFAs (Ehlers and Pionk for sure) and will know where he stands in terms of being able to re-sign them

I think that if he gets a sense that one or both are moving on, then it might change how he approaches the deadline and how he allocates the assets he has available

For example, if he knows Pionk is testing UFA waters then he might be more likely to trade for a guy like Risto who has some term. If he knows Pionk is coming back and Ehlers is walking, maybe he adds Salo in a deal to get Cozens

At the end of the day, if we really want a long term solution at 2C, the cost is going to sting

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Chevy will trade for someone that will surprise. See: Statsny, Paul

Yeah, Chevy has surprised a couple of times in the past. That doesn't mean he always can. He's good, but he is not a magician.

Ryan Strome might be a good suggestion though. He ticks most of the boxes. I'm not aware of any buzz around him but he is old for the Ducks rebuild so should be available for the right offer.

 

[CanMerc]

You're preaching to the choir.
Nelson is probably not available. If he is available, he still isn't a solution. 1) We would need to win the bidding. 2) We would need to extend him, and not for too long.

Getting a rental is just continuing the pattern you are complaining about. It is not a solution. It is a band-aid.

Name a real solution. If you can, I will be in favour of paying what it takes.

That’s why I look at ROR (pipe dream I know), Ryan Strome, maybe Cozens if Chevy thinks his issues are Sabres related and can be addressed with a change of scenery.
I’m not saying it’s easy…but that’s what Chevy is paid for…and he’s ignored it for years…but I do think wasting assets on someone we don’t need just to give the appearance of doing something, isn’t a good idea..save the assets for when they’re needed,
Right now it’s rumoured Dobson might be available…pay the price and go for him.
I see posts of, “I wouldn’t trade Perfetti”…why? If we have Ehlers we don’t need Perfetti..but we definitely need Dobson…our window is now.
We need a 2C for 2-3 years while we wait for Yager, hopefully. But we still want to contend and try for a Cup. Wasting assets on 2-3 month rentals instead of adding a bit more to trade for a player with some term, like say Cozens, makes no sense.
Adding those 2-3 month rentals is what you do when you have your team already built and want to add extra production, defence, whatever at the deadline…not what you do if you still need to to address multiple holes.


(I use … a lot… I apologize)

 

[Whileee]

I feel like Vegas and their D is a real rough matchup for us

Jets would only gave them in the Conference finals, but would need to get there first and the Oilers seem to have a higher likelihood of coming out of that Division.

 

[voyageur]

I feel like Vegas and their D is a real rough matchup for us

Getting out of the Central you want skaters. Every team can skate up the middle. Middlestadt is maybe the slowest guy. And he was good last year. With Lehkonen flying and Parise knowing how to score goals in the NHL playoffs.

Getting to Vegas is overlooking 2 matchups to get there. Round 1 still could be any of Vancouver Calgary, L.A, Colorado, Minnesota.

Each team would have a different challenge.

 

[Gm0ney]

Yeah, Chevy has surprised a couple of times in the past. That doesn't mean he always can. He's good, but he is not a magician.

Ryan Strome might be a good suggestion though. He ticks most of the boxes. I'm not aware of any buzz around him but he is old for the Ducks rebuild so should be available for the right offer.

I think the "Chevy Special" is getting a good player at the deadline from a division rival that no one knew was available. The Special w/gravy is if the guy has some term...

 

[CanMerc]

he traded for pld to fix the 2nd line center spot but he didn't want to be here, I think it's very likely he looked everywhere to find longer term solutions and had to settle for trading late 1sts for rentals

a top pairing RHD? you are acting like these grow on trees... they are literally the hardest position to fill and 90% of the league is looking for that and if one ever does become available guess what, there is a extremely good chance they have trade protection

Yeah…that PLD thing sucked…I had such high hopes for him and was so happy and excited when that trade happened….bastard

Getting out of the Central you want skaters. Every team can skate up the middle. Middlestadt is maybe the slowest guy. And he was good last year. With Lehkonen flying and Parise knowing how to score goals in the NHL playoffs.

Getting to Vegas is overlooking 2 matchups to get there. Round 1 still could be any of Vancouver Calgary, L.A, Colorado, Minnesota.

Each team would have a different challenge.

I don’t think we need worry about L.A. or Vancouver…but Calgary seems fired up and Colorado should never be taken lightly..as for Minnesota, they’re harder to gauge, so best err on the side of caution

 

[voyageur]

I’m not saying Namestnikov isn’t good, I’m saying he’s better suited as a bottom 6 C….that’s where his best value lies for the team. He is not a true top 6(2)C.
This team needs and has needed for some time…a true 2C…since Little left, and a true top pairing RHD, since Buff left…and Chevy hasn’t addressed either hole. He’s danced around them…he’s tried to bandage them, but he’s never properly fixed them. He reminds me of a kid collecting hockey cards…I need a Toffoli, a Monahan, a Schmidt, etc…none of which addressed any of our needs at the time, but he felt he had to have.
I’m tired of the kid folks ting hockey cards and want to see the Jets win…we are as close as we have been in years and right now is where you go all in…Laughton is not all in…Laughton is wasting assets and cap space we can use else where in addressing our actual needs.
Sure, if after we’ve filled our needs, we still gave space and want to get Laughton…great, he’d be a great addition…but he’s not the piece we should be focusing on now.

I think there has to be an add on defense to get beyond round 2. I just don't see enough from the defense. As it stands.

I disagree with the assessment of what you think bottom 6 is. Bottom six is your two best faceoff guys, one on each side. Defensive zone draws. That's not what Namestnikov is, and you take the skating out of the middle of the ice, you take away the decisive speed the Jets are winning with. That's the way I see it. Because the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again. Hayes, lost Little, until Little came back as 2C. Dubois, eventually forced Stastny to the wing, but Dubois never got the job done. Not even close. Monahan. Exposed for lack of speed on the PK. Do you want to go down that road again? Or try a different approach. Which is Namestnikov and Kupari bringing speed from the middle.

I don't think the Jets need this unicorn forward that everybody makes up, in their Crosby-Malkin, Richards-Lecavalier mantra. You want Mc David-Draisaitl should have tried to be shittier. Play to your strengths, and speed is a strength for the Jets this year. Maybe Lowry can be the Jets Sam Bennett.

 

[CanMerc]

he traded for pld to fix the 2nd line center spot but he didn't want to be here, I think it's very likely he looked everywhere to find longer term solutions and had to settle for trading late 1sts for rentals

a top pairing RHD? you are acting like these grow on trees... they are literally the hardest position to fill and 90% of the league is looking for that and if one ever does become available guess what, there is a extremely good chance they have trade protection

But you’re talking now…we have needed one since Buff left, what…4-5 years ago

 

[Buffdog]

That’s why I look at ROR (pipe dream I know), Ryan Strome, maybe Cozens if Chevy thinks his issues are Sabres related and can be addressed with a change of scenery.
I’m not saying it’s easy…but that’s what Chevy is paid for…and he’s ignored it for years…but I do think wasting assets on someone we don’t need just to give the appearance of doing something, isn’t a good idea..save the assets for when they’re needed,
Right now it’s rumoured Dobson might be available…pay the price and go for him.
I see posts of, “I wouldn’t trade Perfetti”…why? If we have Ehlers we don’t need Perfetti..but we definitely need Dobson…our window is now.
We need a 2C for 2-3 years while we wait for Yager, hopefully. But we still want to contend and try for a Cup. Wasting assets on 2-3 month rentals instead of adding a bit more to trade for a player with some term, like say Cozens, makes no sense.
Adding those 2-3 month rentals is what you do when you have your team already built and want to add extra production, defence, whatever at the deadline…not what you do if you still need to to address multiple holes.


(I use … a lot… I apologize)

You don't know what Chevy has and hasn't tried to get done on the 2C front. To say thay he's ignored the problem isn't fair, unless you know for a fact that he hasn't been activley tryign to fix it

He traded for PLD which would have been the long term solution had he been willing to extend

Being unable to solve a problem doesn't mean that it's been ignored. There is a long list of teams with the same problem as us

 

[Whileee]

I think Chevy thought that he filled the 2C role for a while when he acquired Monahan. He tried to re-sign him and probably had some optimism he could get him signed.

 

[gojetsgo]

But you’re talking now…we have needed one since Buff left, what…4-5 years ago

please list names of top pairing RHD that we could have had since he left

 

[CanMerc]

I think there has to be an add on defense to get beyond round 2. I just don't see enough from the defense. As it stands.

I disagree with the assessment of what you think bottom 6 is. Bottom six is your two best faceoff guys, one on each side. Defensive zone draws. That's not what Namestnikov is, and you take the skating out of the middle of the ice, you take away the decisive speed the Jets are winning with. That's the way I see it. Because the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again. Hayes, lost Little, until Little came back as 2C. Dubois, eventually forced Stastny to the wing, but Dubois never got the job done. Not even close. Monahan. Exposed for lack of speed on the PK. Do you want to go down that road again? Or try a different approach. Which is Namestnikov and Kupari bringing speed from the middle.

I don't think the Jets need this unicorn forward that everybody makes up, in their Crosby-Malkin, Richards-Lecavalier mantra. You want Mc David-Draisaitl should have tried to be shittier. Play to your strengths, and speed is a strength for the Jets this year.

I agree we need to address the D, and agree it’s likely our biggest need…but for me it’s a top pairing RHD and bottom pairing LHD that we need.
Example would be Pulock/Dobson and Dumoulin.
Morrissey - Pulock/Dobson
Samberg - Pionk
Dumoulin - DeMelo
That’s a pretty nice D

I think Chevy thought that he filled the 2C role for a while when he acquired Monahan. He tried to re-sign him and probably had some optimism he could get him signed.

Monahan wasn’t the solution..he was a waste of assets…another of Chevys hockey card collectables

 

[Buffdog]

But you’re talking now…we have needed one since Buff left, what…4-5 years ago

He re-aquired Statsny the year after we lost Little (who was by all metrics a great 2C)

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Would you trade for Cozens if the ask was Salo +?

BUF has almost zero RHD, so you gotta think that's how they'd start the convo. Somebody out there will probably pony up a righty for him...

Absolutely not.
People need to stop trying to trade Salo. Besides being a very good prospect, he is the only RHD we have who looks like ever making the NHL. We could even say he is the only Dman we have, but I have a good feeling about Freij, at least so far.

We still have a flawed right side and it isn't getting any younger.

I don't mind missing out on Cozens at all. I think he is a big risk who is already being paid like a proven top 6 player. You might say he is a high risk, high reward gamble but I don't think we are in a position to gamble like that. We don't have enough assets to be able to afford the loss. Never bet money you can't afford to lose. But regardless of the risk attached, I don't trade Salo. The only way I do that is if we are getting a good, young RHD, with term, coming back in the deal. Buffalo doesn't have that guy.

Maybe, if we are talking Dobson from NYI I consider Salo. I would prefer to be adding another RHD to him, not just trading a younger one for a more proven one. But you have to give to get.

BTW, I just noticed Dobson on LTIR. Isles are making room for something? Someone going to acquire Dobson and leave him on LTIR until the TD? Or is his injury really that bad?

 

[CanMerc]

please list names of top pairing RHD that we could have had since he left

I’m not saying it’s easy or anything, but in the time we’ve needed one there have been some moved and not once has WPG been mentioned in the discussions. I know Chevy is very secretive and all and usually no info leaks until the trade is done, but it’s been years of Schmidt’s, and Millers, and all these bottom pairing types, and bottom 6 types…it’s the wasting assets on what we don’t need just yo appear like something is being robe that pisses me off the most.

Maybe I’m just getting to cynical

He re-aquired Statsny the year after we lost Little (who was by all metrics a great 2C)

Stastny was a great fit…until he left…

 

[CanMerc]

Absolutely not.
People need to stop trying to trade Salo. Besides being a very good prospect, he is the only RHD we have who looks like ever making the NHL. We could even say he is the only Dman we have, but I have a good feeling about Freij, at least so far.

We still have a flawed right side and it isn't getting any younger.

I don't mind missing out on Cozens at all. I think he is a big risk who is already being paid like a proven top 6 player. You might say he is a high risk, high reward gamble but I don't think we are in a position to gamble like that. We don't have enough assets to be able to afford the loss. Never bet money you can't afford to lose. But regardless of the risk attached, I don't trade Salo. The only way I do that is if we are getting a good, young RHD, with term, coming back in the deal. Buffalo doesn't have that guy.

Maybe, if we are talking Dobson from NYI I consider Salo. I would prefer to be adding another RHD to him, not just trading a younger one for a more proven one. But you have to give to get.

BTW, I just noticed Dobson on LTIR. Isles are making room for something? Someone going to acquire Dobson and leave him on LTIR until the TD? Or is his injury really that bad?

Agree 100% about Salo…he’s an untouchable for me, unless we are getting back a young RHD of equal or better value.

Isles have been having a lot of injuries to their RHD this season… it’s been weird, but Dobson I’d definitely go after

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think Dobson goes right to top pair and you reunite Stanley and DeMelo on 3rd pair

I think it is a pipe dream though.

Not sure Dobson would make the best partner for JMo. I think I would put him with Samberg. Pionk plays with JMo and DeMelo plays 3rd pair.

But it is a pipe dream.

Which potential playoff opponents would intimidate the Jets physically, especially with the Jets' lethal PP? Last year the Avs intimidated the Jets with their speed and forced the Jets to bench Stanley.

It doesn't need to be logical. Arniel has demonstrated that Stanley will play unless his legs are broken.

 

[CanMerc]

Limiting trade targets to RW on non playoff contending teams...

I would love Chevy to add a RW:

Tuch
Bjorgstrand
Crouse
Rackell

Cozens
Dach


Connor - Scheifele - Vilardi
Ehlers - Lowry - Tuch/Bjorgstrand/Crouse...
Niedereitter - Kupari -Appleton
Perfetti - Namestnikov - Iafallo

Ehlers - - Bjorkstrand would be an awesome 2nd line with the right C between them.
What do you think of Ryan Strome as a C with them?

 

[gojetsgo]

I’m not saying it’s easy or anything, but in the time we’ve needed one there have been some moved and not once has WPG been mentioned in the discussions. I know Chevy is very secretive and all and usually no info leaks until the trade is done, but it’s been years of Schmidt’s, and Millers, and all these bottom pairing types, and bottom 6 types…it’s the wasting assets on what we don’t need just yo appear like something is being robe that pisses me off the most.

Maybe I’m just getting to cynical

I just really don't think you understand how hard it is to find top pairing RHD in the nhl let alone in winnipeg... we get the schmidt/miller types because those are what are actually available to us