2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[Curufinwe]

I don't mind giving them credit for drafting Michkov and getting him over early. It definitely hasn't signaled any kind of overall change in organizational philosophy, though. They currently have five 4th liners making $11,650,000 combined.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't mind giving them credit for drafting Michkov and getting him over early. It definitely hasn't signaled any kind of overall change in organizational philosophy, though. They currently have five 4th liners making $11,650,000 combined.

Believe that's the most consistent, unchanged line, too. Their bedrock and foundation.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I don't mind giving them credit for drafting Michkov and getting him over early. It definitely hasn't signaled any kind of overall change in organizational philosophy, though. They currently have five 4th liners making $11,650,000 combined.

if MTL didnt f*** it up like they did. MM would have been gone and this Org. would have taken some big body grinder Dman..

 

[GapToothedWonder]

1. Is there a 1c that will be traded this year or offseason that could be possible for us?
2. if we dont use the picks for a 1c/1d trade, is there a realistic target in the top 5 that we could use our surplus of picks to trade up for?

It's extremely rare for either of these things to happen in the NHL.

 

[pit]

I'd be more confident the Flyers could draft things like a #1 PP quarterback dman outside the top five if they didn't pay to get rid of the last one they had, and then replace him by overpaying for a $5 million dollar 6th defenceman.

Or pass on one when he fell into their lap last draft.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

It didn't fall into their laps, Briere was prepared to trade up to get Michkov, but when teams shied away b/c of the Russian/3yr deal issue, he pounced.

The 1st rd picks under Flahr/Briere
York #14, Foerster #23, Gauthier #5, Michkov #7, Bonk, #22, Luchanko #13

He absolutely fell into their lap, perhaps somewhat of his own doing. Who cares what Briere was prepared to do, he didn't have to. Because....he fell in their lap. There was no pouncing. He just made one of the most blatantly obvious picks I've ever seen I sports.

Give them credit for not being deterred by the Russian/contract stuff. That's totally fair. As Jojo said, you could argue he made it easy for them, but they still did it so props to them. But saying he didn't fall to them is nonsense.

They had another guy fall to them last draft, but went "smartest guys in the room" If Michkov wasn't the prospect he was, who's to say they wouldn't have done the same back then? There was chatter that the trade up was for Reinbacher, btw.

 

[NYCFlyer]

Or pass on one when he fell into their lap last draft.

1D's dont just drop to 12/13 for no reason. As many others have said the fact that his agent was the same as CGs probably made this a non starter especially for the Flyers where I'm sure there is bad blood.

 

[trostol]

We have any idea who they would have taken if MM didn't drop to them?

 

[NYCFlyer]

I think most people here didnt think MM would drop past Montreal. So I thought they would take Leonard but some thought the Dman Montreal took. I really think MM told some clubs he was staying in Russia so they wouldnt pick him. It seems for whatever reason he wanted to come to Philly.

 

[deadhead]

1D's dont just drop to 12/13 for no reason. As many others have said the fact that his agent was the same as CGs probably made this a non starter especially for the Flyers where I'm sure there is bad blood.

How about the other 11 teams? Ok, 10. Why did he fall past 5 other D-men?

Size matters, but not when a player is 6'0.
Where size comes into play is under 5'10.

 

[NYCFlyer]

I was just looking at the 2021 draft where we donated our pick to Buffalo. Outside the top 5 picks only 6 players have played more than 40 games!

 

[pit]

1D's dont just drop to 12/13 for no reason.

They often fall even further.

Erik Karlsson - 15th
Shea Weber - 49th
Brent Burns - 20th
Adam Fox - 66th
Roman Josi - 38th
Duncan Keith - 54th
Zdeno Chara - 56th
PK Subban - 43rd

And that's just me thinking of Norris winners. Doesn't include Kris Letang, Shea Weber, Josh Morrissey, Charlie McAvoy and so on.


If the Flyers are going to be scared off good players because they have a bad relationship with an agent, that's just putting themselves in a giant hole needlessly.

 

[NYCFlyer]

They often fall even further.

Erik Karlsson - 15th
Shea Weber - 49th
Brent Burns - 20th
Adam Fox - 66th
Roman Josi - 38th
Duncan Keith - 54th
Zdeno Chara - 56th
PK Subban - 43rd

And that's just me thinking of Norris winners. Doesn't include Kris Letang, Shea Weber, Josh Morrissey, Charlie McAvoy and so on.


If the Flyers are going to be scared off good players because they have a bad relationship with an agent, that's just putting themselves in a giant hole needlessly.

 

[deadhead]

They often fall even further.

Erik Karlsson - 15th
Shea Weber - 49th
Brent Burns - 20th
Adam Fox - 66th
Roman Josi - 38th
Duncan Keith - 54th
Zdeno Chara - 56th
PK Subban - 43rd

And that's just me thinking of Norris winners. Doesn't include Kris Letang, Shea Weber, Josh Morrissey, Charlie McAvoy and so on.


If the Flyers are going to be scared off good players because they have a bad relationship with an agent, that's just putting themselves in a giant hole needlessly.

That's why I like how they're situated in this draft, they can target a trade up, use the picks or package them with prospects to target a player. If they come away with three top 6/top 4 starters, that will jump start the rebuild.

That gives a margin of error, you can still miss on a couple and come out smelling like roses.

And if Zavragin turns out to be the next Shesterkin, we can start building a statute of Briere outside the stadium.

 

[NYCFlyer]

Thats hardly often and in all but two of those the same team passed on them at least once. It is true some kids just blossom later. As far as ZB, if the agent you have had a contentious relationship and forced a trade says we are thinking of staying in school because they are targeting a certain draft position for him, there is no way you are going to take him. Why do you think everyone else passed on him?

That's why I like how they're situated in this draft, they can target a trade up, use the picks or package them with prospects to target a player. If they come away with three top 6/top 4 starters, that will jump start the rebuild.

That gives a margin of error, you can still miss on a couple and come out smelling like roses.

And if Zavragin turns out to be the next Shesterkin, we can start building a statute of Briere outside the stadium.

It wont matter if they cant find a center or two.

 

[pit]

Thats hardly often and in all but two of those the same team passed on them at least once. It is true some kids just blossom later. As far as ZB, if the agent you have had a contentious relationship and forced a trade says we are thinking of staying in school because they are targeting a certain draft position for him, there is no way you are going to take him. Why do you think everyone else passed on him?


It wont matter if they cant find a center or two.

That's not an exhaustive list - it was off the top of my head based on Norris winners - so to say that's hardly often is a bit disingenuous. If you look at Norris winners since 2001, there have only been 5 who have been picked before 12th (Hughes, Makar, Hedman, Doughty, Neidermeyer). I'm not going to go review every draft to see how many top pair D went outside the top 12. Without doing the research I would wager that you get more outside the top 12 than in.

All it takes is a few teams to have another ranked higher or a few teams going for fit picks and people drop. Anze Kopitar dropped to 11. Why do you think everyone else passed on him? The superstar that was Jack Skille? #1 Dman Brian Lee? Or did other teams fall in love with the wrong players for the wrong reasons?

Time will tell if the Flyers (and other teams earlier in the draft) made the wrong call. I'm of the opinion they did. Happy to be proved wrong if Luchanko was the right choice there.

 

[ponder719]

We have any idea who they would have taken if MM didn't drop to them?

They ostensibly wanted to trade into 5 to take Reinbacher and Michkov, so Michkov at 5 likely means Reinbacher at 7 unless the Coyotes took him instead of Simashev.

 

[Curufinwe]

So Ersson starts on Saturday and Tuesday at home, then on Wednesday they could bring up Kolosov to play in Washington.

The Phantoms play Friday and Saturday, so Kolosov should start at least one if not both of those AHL games.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

That's why I like how they're situated in this draft, they can target a trade up, use the picks or package them with prospects to target a player. If they come away with three top 6/top 4 starters, that will jump start the rebuild.

That gives a margin of error, you can still miss on a couple and come out smelling like roses.

And if Zavragin turns out to be the next Shesterkin, we can start building a statute of Briere outside the stadium.

Flyers have shown they do not have that ability. Just need to give the new era of orange a chance. Only their 2nd year in charge.

 

[iceman42]

So Ersson starts on Saturday and Tuesday at home, then on Wednesday they could bring up Kolosov to play in Washington.

The Phantoms play Friday and Saturday, so Kolosov should start at least one if not both of those AHL games.

This makes sense if you are going to seriously look at Kolosov since Fedotov hasn't really done anything to establish himself.

 

[Curufinwe]

Friedman saying on 32TTP that they have two weeks left before Kolosov can go back to Russia.

 

[Adam Warlock]

So Ersson starts on Saturday and Tuesday at home, then on Wednesday they could bring up Kolosov to play in Washington.

The Phantoms play Friday and Saturday, so Kolosov should start at least one if not both of those AHL games.

Fedotov is 6ft 7 and went to hell amd back to get to the nhl. Hes a f***in flyer.

Koslosov is whiny and not a f***in flyer.

Dont forget thats the mindset of those making decisions.

 

[deadhead]

Briere was 5'9 and played in the "clutch and grab" era.
Think he cares about size?
His first draft he takes Michkov (5'10), Barkey (5'8), Ciernak (5'10)

 

[Beef Invictus]

So Ersson starts on Saturday and Tuesday at home, then on Wednesday they could bring up Kolosov to play in Washington.

The Phantoms play Friday and Saturday, so Kolosov should start at least one if not both of those AHL games.

It's readily apparent that Fedotov needs AHL time. He looks completely derailed.

 

[deadhead]

Obviously really early, but this raised my eyebrows:

Luchanko xGFrel +1.01, HDCFrel +9.57
Frost xGFrel -2.05, HDCFrel -9.29
Couts xGFrel +0.81, HDCFrel +25.83
Poehling xGFrel -0.22, HDCFrel -15.47

The sample is too small to take seriously, but Luchanko hasn't been sheltered, and he hasn't been overwhelmed either.

And even with Couts starting slow, much better in Seattle, notice they don't leak HD chances with him on the ice. He's still the smart veteran center, maybe needs to have minutes limited, but still valuable.