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2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

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NYCFlyer said:
Couts was awesome. Best game from him since early last year. Hope his body holds up. Might have been the best game i've ever seen from Risto too.
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I think he'll hold up just fine, he's not having to be the GUY anymore he can just do his thing and defer, he looked great doing just that this game. Played awesome defensively that lead to breakouts. Risto was awesome, thought that the whole game too, seemed like he was everywhere.
 
The Leafs are once again having issues. They’ve tried changing GMs and coaches with no effect. It’s obvious that the big guys need to be broken up. No club in their right mind would trade Matthews so either Marner or Nylander need to go. Marner would need an extension in order to be dealt. In return they would need some grit as well as scoring.
Could the Flyers step in here and nab an extended Marner or Nylander for something like Laughton, Konecny or Ristolainen. Obviously Toronto would need to add in order to make the money work. I included Laughton and Risto since Berube likes Laughton a lot and a RHD is a Leaf need.
Marner or Nylander could play center for the Flyers. Nylander has been open to a position change. Both have NMCs but things like that can be worked around if organizations chose to do so.
The Leafs are going to have to make a major personnel move. Just thinking if there is a way for the Flyers to benefit from it. Some team will.
 
renberg said:
The Leafs are once again having issues. They’ve tried changing GMs and coaches with no effect. It’s obvious that the big guys need to be broken up. No club in their right mind would trade Matthews so either Marner or Nylander need to go. Marner would need an extension in order to be dealt. In return they would need some grit as well as scoring.
Could the Flyers step in here and nab an extended Marner or Nylander for something like Laughton, Konecny or Ristolainen. Obviously Toronto would need to add in order to make the money work. I included Laughton and Risto since Berube likes Laughton a lot and a RHD is a Leaf need.
Marner or Nylander could play center for the Flyers. Nylander has been open to a position change. Both have NMCs but things like that can be worked around if organizations chose to do so.
The Leafs are going to have to make a major personnel move. Just thinking if there is a way for the Flyers to benefit from it. Some team will.
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Why would you want to overpay for guys who couldn't win on a talent laden team?
Matthews is the guy I'd want, but he's not going anywhere.
 
ponder719 said:
There are plenty of reasons to be harsh on this team, all deserved, but being real, this was the correct decision, credit to them for doing the obviously correct thing this time. I don't mind Luchanko getting some time with the big club to get a taste of it, but he needs to play regularly, with a big offensive role, and that wasn't happening in Philly.
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No. No credit to them. He shouldnt of made the team in the 1st place. Im only surprised they didnt burn a year on the ELC first before sending him back.
 
renberg said:
The Leafs are once again having issues. They’ve tried changing GMs and coaches with no effect. It’s obvious that the big guys need to be broken up. No club in their right mind would trade Matthews so either Marner or Nylander need to go. Marner would need an extension in order to be dealt. In return they would need some grit as well as scoring.
Could the Flyers step in here and nab an extended Marner or Nylander for something like Laughton, Konecny or Ristolainen. Obviously Toronto would need to add in order to make the money work. I included Laughton and Risto since Berube likes Laughton a lot and a RHD is a Leaf need.
Marner or Nylander could play center for the Flyers. Nylander has been open to a position change. Both have NMCs but things like that can be worked around if organizations chose to do so.
The Leafs are going to have to make a major personnel move. Just thinking if there is a way for the Flyers to benefit from it. Some team will.
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The Leafs are in an 82-game preseason.

Nylander just signed a big extension, he's not going anywhere.
 
CerpinTaxt said:
No. No credit to them. He shouldnt of made the team in the 1st place. Im only surprised they didnt burn a year on the ELC first before sending him back.
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He made the team on merit, Luchanko was probably as good as Poehling or Laughton/Cates at center.
But as Briere said, they don't want him to be a 4C. They already have too many.
 
renberg said:
The Leafs are once again having issues. They’ve tried changing GMs and coaches with no effect. It’s obvious that the big guys need to be broken up. No club in their right mind would trade Matthews so either Marner or Nylander need to go. Marner would need an extension in order to be dealt. In return they would need some grit as well as scoring.
Could the Flyers step in here and nab an extended Marner or Nylander for something like Laughton, Konecny or Ristolainen. Obviously Toronto would need to add in order to make the money work. I included Laughton and Risto since Berube likes Laughton a lot and a RHD is a Leaf need.
Marner or Nylander could play center for the Flyers. Nylander has been open to a position change. Both have NMCs but things like that can be worked around if organizations chose to do so.
The Leafs are going to have to make a major personnel move. Just thinking if there is a way for the Flyers to benefit from it. Some team will.
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Marner has 11 career playoff goals. Players like MacKinnon or Tkachuk accomplish that in one season. Yet he wants to be paid like them. Not interested.

He's not even a center either. So he wouldn't even fill a hole.
 
Tkachuk had 15 points in 27 games with Calgary. Marner has 50 points in 57 career games (including 14 in 11 two seasons ago), but we’re supposed to believe he stinks and can’t have a good run? I love a good playoff narrative. Some people would rather have Laughton than Pettersson, Panarin, and Marner.
 
Kind of a cute stat: Coots has 44 points in his last 82 games. Was on 39 in 81 before today.

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renberg said:
The Leafs are once again having issues. They’ve tried changing GMs and coaches with no effect. It’s obvious that the big guys need to be broken up. No club in their right mind would trade Matthews so either Marner or Nylander need to go. Marner would need an extension in order to be dealt. In return they would need some grit as well as scoring.
Could the Flyers step in here and nab an extended Marner or Nylander for something like Laughton, Konecny or Ristolainen. Obviously Toronto would need to add in order to make the money work. I included Laughton and Risto since Berube likes Laughton a lot and a RHD is a Leaf need.
Marner or Nylander could play center for the Flyers. Nylander has been open to a position change. Both have NMCs but things like that can be worked around if organizations chose to do so.
The Leafs are going to have to make a major personnel move. Just thinking if there is a way for the Flyers to benefit from it. Some team will.
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I believe that those are players that you can only reasonably pursue in very unique circumstances. You go after them, because you have a locked-up core, the right amount of free cap and surplus assets that can be dealt without it impacting the fundamentals of the team.

It would be a case where a team lost a major piece due to a career-ending injury, but they know they have a window, even with that loss, and resources to spare, so they take the jump at what seems like a golden opportunity.

It's like the folly of replacing Pronger, it's only for teams in desperation.

We don't have that sort of situation right now, and I'd imagine that few if any do.
 
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GKJ said:
The Leafs are in an 82-game preseason.

Nylander just signed a big extension, he's not going anywhere.
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You’re right about this. However Berube and others in the organization see that major changes need to be made. For the Leafs the results in play have been the same for years. Signing Tavares didn’t get them over the top. They’ve made changes behind the bench and in the FO with no better outcome. The only thing left for the Leafs to do if they want to improve is to change players. Players may have NMCs but they can be worked around. One of the big three has to go. It isn’t going to be Matthews so it’s either Marner or Nylander. Marner has no value w/o an extension.
 
I'm pretty sure every annual favorite that takes time to win has had the "the problem is they need to trade some of their best players away" narrative spun. It often ends up being untrue
 
Magua said:
Tkachuk had 15 points in 27 games with Calgary. Marner has 50 points in 57 career games (including 14 in 11 two seasons ago), but we’re supposed to believe he stinks and can’t have a good run? I love a good playoff narrative. Some people would rather have Laughton than Pettersson, Panarin, and Marner.
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I'd rather have Laughton on the Flyers than Marner or Panarin - because in 3 years, Laughton will be gone but the others will be declining with huge cap hits. It's not like they're good enough to make you competitive - if Marner can't carry Toronto to the 2nd rd, he's certainly not going to carry the Flyers.
 
deadhead said:
I'd rather have Laughton on the Flyers than Marner or Panarin - because in 3 years, Laughton will be gone but the others will be declining with huge cap hits. It's not like they're good enough to make you competitive - if Marner can't carry Toronto to the 2nd rd, he's certainly not going to carry the Flyers.
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What
 
deadhead said:
I'd rather have Laughton on the Flyers than Marner or Panarin
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"We need to rebuild."

No, let's add Marner and the 7x12M extension you'll have to give him
He'll be 28 when it starts, so in his 30s when this team is competitive.
And he's a RW. So he's not going to be a huge difference maker for this team. Except picking a few slots lower in the 2026 and 2027 drafts.

Now if he was a top center he might be worth it, even then you'd be paying top dollar for his 33-35 year old seasons. But center is a gapping hole, RW is not. Add a top center, and there will be huge synergies (Frost, Couts and Luchanko next year pushed down, wings will look better).

Whatever is killing Toronto in the POs, it doesn't seem to be goalies:
2023-24: -2.87 (GA - xGA)
2022-23: +0.69
2021-22: +0.61
2020-21: -1.64
2019-20: -1.07

5x5 xGF% PP - PK
2023-24: 47.69% 1-0 0-6 net -5
2022-23: 50.97% 8-0 0-8 net 0
2021-22: 50.18% 4-1 2-7 net -2
2020-21: 58.09% 3-1 0-3 net -1
2019-20: 53.79% 2-0 1-0 net 3

Can't blame STs except for last season.

Something is rotten in the team from Toronto.
 
deadhead said:
I'd rather have Laughton on the Flyers than Marner or Panarin - because in 3 years, Laughton will be gone but the others will be declining with huge cap hits. It's not like they're good enough to make you competitive - if Marner can't carry Toronto to the 2nd rd, he's certainly not going to carry the Flyers.
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I, uh, think the whole point is missed here.
 
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