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[Gregor Samsa]

Considering the team has a week to decide if they want him to be the backup before he heads back to Europe, and how bad Fedotov has been, I'm surprised Kolosov hasn't been called up.


Much of the time they haven't been able to get a good player inside of the first round either

Outside of the Hextall whiffs with O’Brien, Rubstov, and Patrick (kinda extenuating circumstances though depending on their medical findings pre-draft) the Flyers have generally gotten acceptable value given their draft position. The jury is still out on guys like Foerster and York but they are at least NHL players. You’re not likely to get a star drafting in the teens or 20’s where the Flyers have mostly been picking over the years. Lots of draft picks in the later half of the 1st are literal who’s a decade later

 

[volnoir]

The Flyers pipeline will almost certainly jump up in the rankings after next draft especially if this season continues as it’s been. There is a chance to have 5(?) picks in the top 40. What has absolutely killed the Flyers is that they’ve never been able to get a “good” player outside of the 1st round

Nick Cousins
Anthony Stolarz
Shayne Gostisbehere
Nicolas Aube-Kubel
Oskar Lindblom
Carter Hart
Noah Cates
Samuel Ersson
Bobby Brink
Emil Andrae
Yegor Zavragin
Denver Barkey

Depends on your definition of 'good' but it's not entirely true this team has "never" been able to get a "good" player outside the 1st. Maybe you meant to say "elite" or "top of the lineup" player which is different. Especially if you were to compare us to the gold standard of drafting, Dallas Stars:

Esa Lindell
Nick Paul
Roope Hintz
Jake Oettinger
Jason Robertson
Logan Stankoven

All things considered though even they have had some really off draft years as well outside the first round:

Dallas Stars Draft History at hockeydb.com

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Nick Cousins
Anthony Stolarz
Shayne Gostisbehere
Nicolas Aube-Kubel
Oskar Lindblom
Carter Hart
Noah Cates
Samuel Ersson
Bobby Brink
Emil Andrae
Yegor Zavragin
Denver Barkey

Depends on your definition of 'good' but it's not entirely true this team has "never" been able to get a "good" player outside the 1st. Maybe you meant to say "elite" or "top of the lineup" player which is different. Especially if you were to compare us to the gold standard of drafting, Dallas Stars:

Esa Lindell
Nick Paul
Roope Hintz
Jake Oettinger
Jason Robertson
Logan Stankoven

All things considered though even they have had some really off draft years as well outside the first round:

Dallas Stars Draft History at hockeydb.com

By “good” I mean like top 6 and top 4 caliber. I think there is some level of luck outside the first round and a lot of very good teams manage to get one bonafide difference maker outside of the 1st. Guys like Letang, Keith, Point, Kucherov, Robertson, etc. I know that’s far from the norm but the Flyers haven’t gotten any player even 3 tiers away from that realm. Hart and Ghost were the best but most goalies aren’t drafted in the 1st anyway. I am somewhat optimistic about Barkey but I’m not ready to call that a successful pick yet

 

[freakydallas13]

Outside of the Hextall whiffs with O’Brien, Rubstov, and Patrick (kinda extenuating circumstances though depending on their medical findings pre-draft) the Flyers have generally gotten acceptable value given their draft position. The jury is still out on guys like Foerster and York but they are at least NHL players. You’re not likely to get a star drafting in the teens or 20’s where the Flyers have mostly been picking over the years. Lots of draft picks in the later half of the 1st are literal who’s a decade later

Cutter Gauthier in particular seemed like a waste of draft capital at the time, but the jury is still out on him.

 

[deadhead]

Hart and Lindblom were that caliber, some bad luck there.
Zavragin is looking like a massive steal (top 5 KHL goalie at 19).
Need to hit on a few more, but what you really want out of those later picks is organizational depth.

For example, have a draft pick instead of a Gardner (28) on LHV, so there's upside in an injury replacement. Right now, they don't have that outside of Lycksell and Andrae this season, maybe Avon, Tuomaala, Samson, etc. by April. When your AHL affiliate is loaded with young bottom six, third pair types, you have injury insurance. When your AHL affiliate only has AHL+ types (Belpedio, Marody) who are NHL ready you're in trouble.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Cutter Gauthier in particular seemed like a waste of draft capital at the time, but the jury is still out on him.

Yeah I’m not evaluating guys like him, Bonk, Luchanko yet for obvious reasons. I think Cutter has a good shot to develop into a 30 goal top 6 winger. Maybe not what you’d like at 5 overall but far from an all out bust. So far though none of the guys picked from 5-10 have really separated themselves from the pack outside of maybe Pavel M.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

They did blunder Ghost value anyway after they hit on that pick. Thanks AV

 

[CutOnDime97]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849888397210607624

One of these guys has to pan out right

 

[deadhead]

Not going to get too excited until the season is over, but that's elite performance for a 19 year old goalie in the KHL. Not just 19, but an August B-day.

At 18-19, (Dec B-day) Shesterkin was splitting time between MHL/VHL/KHL
At 19-20, same, VHL 25g .954
At 20-21, KHL 39g .937, PO 5g .940
At 21-22, KHL 28g .933
At 22-23, KHL 28g .953, PO 10g .904
23-24, AHL 25g, NHL 12g, starter the next season

Sorokin
At 19, KHL 32g .906
At 20, KHL 28g .953, PO 20g .945
At 21, KHL 39g .929, PO 7g .916
At 22, KHL 37g .931, PO 18g .930 (probably NHL ready at this time)
At 23, KHL 40g .940, PO 20g. 947
At 24, KHL 40g . 935, PO 4g .966
At 25, NHL 22g .918, PO 7g .922

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Rizzo sits while Boulton plays. Never change Flyers never change.

 

[deadhead]

Cole Knuble red hot, now 5g 5-5 10.
20 year old sophomore.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Cole Knuble red hot, now 5g 5-5 10.
20 year old sophomore.

He has come a long way from his Belle Tire days.

 

[Curufinwe]

Petersen in goal tonight

The game is on TV on 59 WFMZ. Lappy’s losers are down 5-2 with 10 left in the 3rd.

 

[deadhead]

Watched the first couple periods of the Phantoms game.

They've been outshooting teams lately by a substantial margin, ran into a top goalie last night (Cossa, 1st rd pick), but they're also plagued by defensive breakdowns and of course, Pederson in goal.

McDonald - Belpedio are a solid pair, but Attard is brain dead. At first I thought his problem was being a rover in college and having to learn how to play fundamental defense, now I think he has "Myers disease." Grans has flatlined (he was a throw=in so no surprise), Ginning is what he is, AHL plus on a good night. Samson looks quicker and is only 21 so there's still hope.

Tuomaala can score, but I don't see the motor for a bottom six player or the talent for top six. He may need time, or a good kick in the pants.

Richard and Lycksell are good AHL plus players, kind you like to stash for injury call-ups, but not sure they're good enough to ever stick.

Avon was scratched and no one else stood out, Abols and Eklind are solid at the AHL level but they didn't jump out at me. Waiting for Desnoyers to step up.

Not a real surprise, Tuomaala was #46, Attard #72, the rest are middle and late round picks, SFAs and other teams' discards.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Watched the first couple periods of the Phantoms game.

They've been outshooting teams lately by a substantial margin, ran into a top goalie last night (Cossa, 1st rd pick), but they're also plagued by defensive breakdowns and of course, Pederson in goal.

McDonald - Belpedio are a solid pair, but Attard is brain dead. At first I thought his problem was being a rover in college and having to learn how to play fundamental defense, now I think he has "Myers disease." Grans has flatlined (he was a throw=in so no surprise), Ginning is what he is, AHL plus on a good night. Samson looks quicker and is only 21 so there's still hope.

Tuomaala can score, but I don't see the motor for a bottom six player or the talent for top six. He may need time, or a good kick in the pants.

Richard and Lycksell are good AHL plus players, kind you like to stash for injury call-ups, but not sure they're good enough to ever stick.

Avon was scratched and no one else stood out, Abols and Eklind are solid at the AHL level but they didn't jump out at me. Waiting for Desnoyers to step up.

Not a real surprise, Tuomaala was #46, Attard #72, the rest are middle and late round picks, SFAs and other teams' discards.

Even making excuses for the Phantoms.

quality shots?

So, they have no real prospects after the Flyers sucking for years.

 

[deadhead]

Even making excuses for the Phantoms.

quality shots?

So, they have no real prospects after the Flyers sucking for years.

The real prospects are from the last two drafts and are in CHL/SHL/KHL/NCAA.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Grans was on an ELC. He was not a throw-in. They actively pursued him.

 

[deadhead]

Grans was on an ELC. He was not a throw-in. They actively pursued him.

He was a throw-in. His implied value was a late round pick.
The core of the deal was Provorov plus salary dump (Peterson) for 1st, (2) 2nds and Walker.
Grans was a footnote at best.

 

[Fire Tortorella]

"There is no war in Ba Sing Se"

 

[BigToe]

Guelph is getting clapped 5-0 after 1 in Jett's first game back.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

The real prospects are from the last two drafts and are in CHL/SHL/KHL/NCAA.

My bad. Why no real prospects at the AHL level after all these years?

 

[FLYguy3911]

Guelph is getting clapped 5-0 after 1 in Jett's first game back.

Brampton must have more than one McDavid caliber skater to keep up with.

He was a throw-in. His implied value was a late round pick.
The core of the deal was Provorov plus salary dump (Peterson) for 1st, (2) 2nds and Walker.
Grans was a footnote at best.

Weird. You were singing a different tune when the trade went down. Can't keep track of all the BS you spew?

Wheeler had LA at 7th overall, and Grans as their #6 prospect:

"There are three prospects ranked below Grans on this list who’ve been NHL regulars or close at some point in their young careers already, and yet I still think Grans belongs here on the upside of what he’s capable of becoming if he puts it all together.

The appeal of Grans, in the past, has been anchored in the legitimacy of his individual tools more than the sum of his parts. He’s a 6-foot-3, right-shot defenceman who is both mobile and talented. He’s comfortable with the puck. He has great hands for his size. He’s a superb passer on outlets and through offensive-zone lanes. And he’s at his best when he’s playing an aggressive style and taking risks to make things happen.

There’s still some rawness to his even-strength play and he can look a little stilted on his pivots, but his game has started to take form defensively as well. He has driven results with the Reign this year, and despite having played parts of five seasons at two top pro levels, he’s just still just 20. Grans has the potential to be a second-pairing defenseman with two-way value. There’s a balance to be struck with his mistakes and some of that just comes with continued reps. I hope they encourage him to play a highly-involved game, because that’s when his tools really shine. I’d rather see him looking to make things happen than playing passively."

Grans will only be 21 next year, with 69 SHL games and 115 AHL games under his belt.
Raw but with upside that makes sense for a rebuild.
So he'll compete for a spot in camp, and at worst, pair with Andrae in LHV next year.

But even after all of that, if you still believe Grans was just a throw-in, that means that Briere got absolutely rinsed in taking on that Cal Peterson contract. And we know that can't be true. Or was it Holmgren? Hard to keep track of who is running the show these days.

Btw this is my favorite part about your analysis of the trade:

He also makes it less likely they'll reach for a RHD in the 1st rd.

 

[deadhead]

What do you think Provorov was worth?

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Brampton must have more than one McDavid caliber skater to keep up with.


Weird. You were singing a different tune when the trade went down. Can't keep track of all the BS you spew?



But even after all of that, if you still believe Grans was just a throw-in, that means that Briere got absolutely rinsed in taking on that Cal Peterson contract. And we know that can't be true. Or was it Holmgren? Hard to keep track of who is running the show these days.

Btw this is my favorite part about your analysis of the trade:

I’ve watched this gif like 20 times trying to make sense of it. Batter held up and then took a practice cut a second after the catcher got the ball. Wonder if a hit and run was on and he just remembered lol

 

[VladDrag]

I find it amazing that Rizzo isn't on the team. We all have our guys, and everyone knows I've been paid attention to Rizzo quite a bit last year....But he was electric on one of the best college teams last year, and deserves a real chance to show what he's got.