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Leon Lucius Black said:
Can guys signed to NHL contracts be assigned to the ECHL, or could only players signed to a AHL contract?

A guy like Kidney would probably benefit from playing more minutes in the ECHL as opposed to playing in the bottom six and getting scratched.
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A player on an AHL contract can be moved up or down between AHL and ECHL.

If you're on an ELC, they can be assigned to ECHL without problem.

But if a player is on an NHL contract but not an ELC, the player has to agree to go to ECHL. Team can't send them without agreement.

So guys like Condotta, Gignac, ABB who are on NHL deals but not ELCs would need to agree to be sent to ECHL.
 
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Treb said:
The reality is 2 games 4 points.

Is your number prediction that you originally fled from officially 144 points in 72 games (prorated)?

If so, I bet under.
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I did not fled, where did you get this? i had said 50 pts+

Oh now you want to bet under 144 pts??

The only thing that i had said was we needed to take into account his usage. He needs to be used in all the offensive sauces. I think if they use him as a 1st liner with first PP timing then he will easely get 65+ pts this year. Like last game he wasn't on the ice for the last 2 minutes of the game in the 6-5.
 

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Leon Lucius Black said:
Can guys signed to NHL contracts be assigned to the ECHL, or could only players signed to a AHL contract?

A guy like Kidney would probably benefit from playing more minutes in the ECHL as opposed to playing in the bottom six and getting scratched.
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Kidney can be sent down because even though he has an NHL deal, and normally such players can't be sent to the ECHL against their will, ELC contracts are an exception.
 
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Bombshell11 said:
I did not fled, where did you get this? i had said 50 pts+

Oh now you want to bet under 144 pts??

The only thing that i had said was we needed to take into account his usage. He needs to be used in all the offensive sauces. I think if they use him as a 1st liner with first PP timing then he will easely get 65+ pts this year. Like last game he wasn't on the ice for the last 2 minutes of the game in the 6-5.
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No, you put a bunch of usage requirements on your 50+ prediction. You never answered when I asked for a prediction without TOI requirements.

You're the one that ran to me like a child with that 144 pts EP points extrapolation.

And again, you're hiding behind usage to blame everyone but Mesar for his production (or lack thereof).
 

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Doubtful.

Farrell is apparently going to be scratched next game so that tells you how little room they have up front. He's not even close to the worst forward there but I guess they want to have roleplayers on the fourth.

I think we're anticipating injuries at this point.
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The Habs can’t keep him up if they don’t have room. Not to mention, I don’t think he deserves to be up after last year. He’s not an nhl level player, especially playing the way he did last year. I never expected him to score at the pace he did the year before, but he was pretty invisible last year. He stopped playing his Gallagher style that gave him success.

Sure, if there’s injuries at the time, they probably keep him up.

Why would they scratch Farrel over Kidney? Both have been invisible I guess.

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Struble is not on IR and is counted in the 22.
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They sent ABB down when they still had roster space? I mean, I’m fine with that. I’d rather he help Laval.
 
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schwang26 said:
They sent ABB down when they still had roster space? I mean, I’m fine with that. I’d rather he help Laval.
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They were at 23 with ABB. They probably kept him in case Kapanen or Heineman would struggle and had to be sent down to not waive ABB for no reason. But since they probably liked what they saw from Kapanen and Heineman they decided to send ABB down. NO reason to keep 23 players i thiink the cap is calculated daily and by having 23 players it give you less cap later on i think not sure though.
 
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Ezpz said:
Doubtful.

Farrell is apparently going to be scratched next game so that tells you how little room they have up front. He's not even close to the worst forward there but I guess they want to have roleplayers on the fourth.

I think we're anticipating injuries at this point.
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Farrell and Kidney both going to TR for a while to play key offensive roles might not be a bad plan.
 
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Putting guys who will NEVER make a difference or play consistently in the NHL like ABB, Condotta, Gignac, Dauphin in the top 6 is absolutely shameful. Terrible development, if MB was still running the show people would be outraged.

Management has to step in and fix this, even Mesar playing 3rd line or Tuch on a 4th is ludicrous. If PV is making these decisions he should be fired ASAP
 
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Putting guys who will NEVER make a difference or play consistently in the NHL like ABB, Condotta, Gignac, Dauphin in the top 6 is absolutely shameful. Terrible development, if MB was still running the show people would be outraged.

Management has to step in and fix this, even Mesar playing 3rd line or Tuch on a 4th is ludicrous. If PV is making these decisions he should be fired ASAP
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I’m sure they’ll have a mix of vets and prospects. Just speaking about ABB, why the heck would you NOT put a ppg player in your top 6?
 
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Putting guys who will NEVER make a difference or play consistently in the NHL like ABB, Condotta, Gignac, Dauphin in the top 6 is absolutely shameful. Terrible development, if MB was still running the show people would be outraged.

Management has to step in and fix this, even Mesar playing 3rd line or Tuch on a 4th is ludicrous. If PV is making these decisions he should be fired ASAP
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that doesn't make sense, you need the vets to work with the rookies. It's 2 games into the season with a new coach, 3 of the 4 lines they have tried haven't been working out too well so clearly they will need to mix things up.

I don't know if Farrell is injured but if he's healthy scratched over Roy, I don't know about that one as Roy has almost zero urgency in his game right now, he looks to be moving at half speed much of the time.
 
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Putting guys who will NEVER make a difference or play consistently in the NHL like ABB, Condotta, Gignac, Dauphin in the top 6 is absolutely shameful. Terrible development, if MB was still running the show people would be outraged.

Management has to step in and fix this, even Mesar playing 3rd line or Tuch on a 4th is ludicrous. If PV is making these decisions he should be fired ASAP
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I really think Vincent is being careful and wants to reward the younger guys rather than granting them top duties.

i think hes doing an excellent job so far.

Let the vets demote themselfs and let the rookies earn their spot.

Hes also still learning the players but so far hes doing a good job
 
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I don't know if Farrell is injured but if he's healthy scratched over Roy, I don't know about that one as Roy has almost zero urgency in his game right now, he looks to be moving at half speed much of the time.
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I don't think the level of Roy's play has much to do with his level of urgency or the lack of same. He is, what he is. The question is whether what he is, is enough. In Roy's defence, he probably had more scoring chances in those first two games than any other Laval player. The problem is, when he's not scoring, he brings little else.
 
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jackeymoon said:
Putting guys who will NEVER make a difference or play consistently in the NHL like ABB, Condotta, Gignac, Dauphin in the top 6 is absolutely shameful. Terrible development, if MB was still running the show people would be outraged.

Management has to step in and fix this, even Mesar playing 3rd line or Tuch on a 4th is ludicrous. If PV is making these decisions he should be fired ASAP
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If the kids earn the ice time, they will get it. They shouldn't simply be handed things. They should work for it. Tuch, Xhekaj, and Beck are starting their pro careers. Mesar has played pro hockey before, but it's his first year pro in NA, which is different.

A few examples of guys who weren't handed things but worked their way up:

- Jake Evans started his pro career as the 4C in Laval. By the end of the year he was their 1C. And now he's a full time NHL'er.
- William Trudeau was on the 3rd pair or a healthy scratch when he started in Laval. By the end of the season, he was on the top pair and playing PP.
- Nick Suzuki started his NHL career playing on the 4th line on the wing. He moved his way up and eventually became the 1C.
- Slaf started on the 3rd line. He got hurt so it delayed his development. But the next year, he started on the 2nd line and then ended up on the top line.

You also can't fill the Top-6 with your prospects and the Bottom-6 with your vets. That is a great way to lose your room and have guys stop playing for you. Not to mention you won't have success with this approach. Gignac, ABB, and Dauphin have been great in the AHL. Condotta isn't someone who will put up points, but he's an effective player.

Tuch started on the 4th line? Let's see if he has what it takes and works to the point he moves up to the 3rd line. Beck and Mesar are currently listed on the 3rd line? Let's see if they work their asses off to becoming the 2nd line and the Simoneau - Condotta - Dauphin line becomes the 3rd line.
 
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Adam Michaels said:
If the kids earn the ice time, they will get it. They shouldn't simply be handed things. They should work for it. Tuch, Xhekaj, and Beck are starting their pro careers. Mesar has played pro hockey before, but it's his first year pro in NA, which is different.

A few examples of guys who weren't handed things but worked their way up:

- Jake Evans started his pro career as the 4C in Laval. By the end of the year he was their 1C. And now he's a full time NHL'er.
- William Trudeau was on the 3rd pair or a healthy scratch when he started in Laval. By the end of the season, he was on the top pair and playing PP.
- Nick Suzuki started his NHL career playing on the 4th line on the wing. He moved his way up and eventually became the 1C.
- Slaf started on the 3rd line. He got hurt so it delayed his development. But the next year, he started on the 2nd line and then ended up on the top line.

You also can't fill the Top-6 with your prospects and the Bottom-6 with your vets. That is a great way to lose your room and have guys stop playing for you. Not to mention you won't have success with this approach. Gignac, ABB, and Dauphin have been great in the AHL. Condotta isn't someone who will put up points, but he's an effective player.

Tuch started on the 4th line? Let's see if he has what it takes and works to the point he moves up to the 3rd line. Beck and Mesar are currently listed on the 3rd line? Let's see if they work their asses off to becoming the 2nd line and the Simoneau - Condotta - Dauphin line becomes the 3rd line.
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Exactly 💯
 
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