Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency - Offseason Edition

[hockeyfish]

Well, this board did somehow will the Byram/Mitts trade into existance. Maybe we can revive the old Girard for Lundell thing and do it again.

 

[Ararana]

Finally figure out your center depth just to trade one of them?

Sounds about right...

Well, this board did somehow will the Byram/Mitts trade into existance. Maybe we can revive the old Girard for Lundell thing and do it again.

Avs already only have 3.5 competent defenseman and you want to trade one of them?

 

[Balthazar]

lol @ cap dump Mantha a top 6 winger, he's been offered for free all over the league for like 3 years.

The price of a good top 6 wing rental is Guentzel. Look it up.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I will say, if the Avs feel like they need to trade Colton to maneuver the cap, it's probably not a good signal on the Nichushkin solution.

 

[Chiarelli]

Been saying it all year. I know the traditional roles have sort of changed over the years but if your 3rd line center can't be trusted to play against other team's offensive players, can't PK, and can't win key faceoffs why is he playing 3C?

this is why Colton is useless.

 

[The Abusement Park]

A Toffoli level guy for a 2nd or a Wennberg level guy for a 1st… hmm

 

[Chiarelli]

lol @ cap dump Mantha a top 6 winger, he's been offered for free all over the league for like 3 years.

The price of a good top 6 wing rental is Guentzel. Look it up.

top line/PP1 is a lot different than top 6 winger.



Separate thought:

the team doesn't have to wait until the deadline and run the top 6 into the ground with 20-25 min nights for 60 games. Once the Nuke situation is resolved in November you can go make that move.

 

[LOFIN]

A Toffoli level guy for a 2nd or a Wennberg level guy for a 1st… hmm

Wennberg cost the Rangers a late 2nd

 

[The Abusement Park]

Wennberg cost the Rangers a late 2nd

Definitely mixed him and the Henrique deal up I see lol.

 

[Balthazar]

What's important at this stage is to try to have good value contracts across your lineup. Drouin can be one of these. Colton isn't.

 

[dahrougem2]

Toffoli is easily a top 6 wing. Dude has popped 30 goals the last two seasons. You don’t worry about it in UFA. You worry about it at the deadline.


This would likely go further backwards from that. Moving Colton’s salary to Drouin. Likely means a 4C level player in that role.

I don't disagree, but Bednar likely thinks why worsen his top six when he knows they perform to his liking when his 3C doesn't (at least theoretically).

We know that ends up with insane minutes for lines 1 & 2, but that is what I can see Bednar rationalizing.

 

[Balthazar]

I don't disagree, but Bednar likely thinks why worsen his top six when he knows they perform to his liking when his 3C doesn't (at least theoretically).

We know that ends up with insane minutes for lines 1 & 2, but that is what I can see Bednar rationalizing.

Colton played last year and the top line played insane minutes anyway. He's not shielding them.

 

[Ararana]

What's important at this stage is to try to have good value contracts across your lineup. Drouin can be one of these. Colton isn't.

Bookmarking this for Mikko's next contract

 

[dahrougem2]

Colton played last year and the top line played insane minutes anyway. He's not shielding them.

No, but in theory if his 3C could handle more minutes and tougher matchups, he might not feel the need to.

During 2022 Bednar didn't shy away from either of Kadri/Compher against other team's top guys because he had that trust. I don't believe Colton has that same trust.

 

[the_fan]

If you want to replace Colton you’re either downgrading in talent and cap hit or paying an exorbitant amount amount of assets to get a cheaper upgrade.

All we need is a 3C who can score at least 30 points in the regular season and 8 or 9 points in a deep playoff run, and be good defensively, just like JTC did for us in 22. We might be able to find someone like that for less than 4 mill.

 

[henchman21]

lol @ cap dump Mantha a top 6 winger, he's been offered for free all over the league for like 3 years.

The price of a good top 6 wing rental is Guentzel. Look it up.

Guentzel is a good 1st line wing... which was a conditional 2nd that could turn into a 1st and 2 B 1C or 3B prospects depending how you feel about them.

Toffoli is a good 2nd line wing and cost 2nd and 3rd.

Eller as a bad 3C cost a 2nd.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

A Toffoli level guy for a 2nd or a Wennberg level guy for a 1st… hmm

Guentzel also didn't cost the Canes a 1st this year! A 2nd and a couple decent prospects essentially.


Yeah, it's not close really. You can pluck top 6(top line quite frankly) wingers for way cheaper at the deadline.

 

[LOFIN]

Guentzel also didn't cost the Canes a 1st this year! A 2nd and a couple decent prospects essentially.


Yeah, it's not close really. You can pluck top 6(top line quite frankly) wingers for way cheaper at the deadline.

Wennberg was WAYYY cheaper than Guentzel. Just because the Oilers overpaid for Henrique (who is a 2nd line C btw, a low-end but still), doesn't mean the going rate for a #3C is more than for a top-6 winger. It's usually less, because you pay for production.

 

[The Abusement Park]

All we need is a 3C who can score at least 30 points in the regular season and 8 or 9 points in a deep playoff run, and be good defensively, just like JTC did for us in 22. We might be able to find someone like that for less than 4 mill.

Not true anymore. This team isn’t nearly as good as the cup team was.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I will say, if the Avs feel like they need to trade Colton to maneuver the cap, it's probably not a good signal on the Nichushkin solution.

Or they don’t want to have a roster with like 7-8 guys at minimum salary

 

[LOFIN]

At this point it's not really worth discussing who costs more to acquire, a top-6 winger or a #3C. Because if we are completely honest, we need both. Because Ross Colton is not a f***ing #3C, or if he is he's bad at it. So might as well clear his capspace and replace him with a proper center.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Wennberg was WAYYY cheaper than Guentzel. Just because the Oilers overpaid for Henrique (who is a 2nd line C btw, a low-end but still), doesn't mean the going rate for a #3C is more than for a top-6 winger. It's usually less, because you pay for production.

I mean the difference in cost wasn’t that big considering that Guentzel is like 4x the player Wennberg is…

Also Henrique is not a 2C… He did fine on the wing/hybrid C role in Anaheim. But once he went full time C in Edmonton he’s been 3rd line level at best… 6pts in 15 playoff games.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Or they don’t want to have a roster with like 7-8 guys at minimum salary

Well, if they had a good solution on Nichushkin, they wouldn't have 7-8 guys at min salary.

But quite frankly saving $1M on Ross Coltons 3C slot isn't going to alter the equation very much either.

 

[Ceremony]

Colton gets paid more than Compher did and he does less. I understand that moving salaries around will result in holes but as a player I don't think he would be a big loss.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Henrique is certainly not a top 6 center. Monahan might be a bad one. JGP cost a 1st. Eller as a bad 3C here cost a 2nd.

Eller cost a 2nd because CMac (for some unknown/unneeded reason) requested retention.

Colton played last year and the top line played insane minutes anyway. He's not shielding them.

Colton was our 2C until Mitts got here. He's second to Nate in TOI amongst centers (by a fair amount) at even strength, and 5v5. RyJo had like 5 minutes more on the PP than Ross but other than that Colton was 2C for the regular season.