Boston Bruins 2024-2025 Roster & Salary Cap Discussion III

[Gee Wally]

It follows him.

Here's where the confusion is:

Ullmark only has to waive for teams on his list. The Bruins have his list. He does not have to waive for teams not on it.

I keep going back and forth in my mind, granted a scary place.
If Bruins deal Linus before signing Sway, Sway has even more leverage.
If Bruins sign Sway before dealing Linus then teams interested in Linus have a bit more leverage.
These are the crazy things that keep me awake sometimes.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

I keep going back and forth in my mind, granted a scary place.
If Bruins deal Linus before signing Sway, Sway has even more leverage.
If Bruins sign Sway before dealing Linus then teams interested in Linus have a bit more leverage.
These are the crazy things that keep me awake sometimes.

Well in theory you agree to a deal with Sway, and then deal Linus before announcing the Sway deal.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

I keep going back and forth in my mind, granted a scary place.
If Bruins deal Linus before signing Sway, Sway has even more leverage.
If Bruins sign Sway before dealing Linus then teams interested in Linus have a bit more leverage.
These are the crazy things that keep me awake sometimes.

Swayman talked how much he loves Boston so much so what’s the problem why hasn’t he signed,I guess no home town discount.

 

[Gee Wally]

Well in theory you agree to a deal with Sway, and then deal Linus before announcing the Sway deal.

Yeah. Gotta be top secret and not filed.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

McAvoy, Lindholm, Orlov, Carlo was an insane top 4.

Clifton is a solid D that went out and got 4m AAV right after. Clifton had a horrendous game 6. No one was screaming for a Clifton upgrade at the time.

Forbort was even, although that was mostly based on luck. Gryz was a -1.

Orlov/McAvoy pairing was the one that really struggled. Perhaps because they hadn't actually played together in the regular season. That was on the coach.

Carlo/Lindholm +2
Orlov/McAvoy -3
Forbort -1, Grizz -1, Clifton -4

Also got zero goals from that defense. Panthers got 6 goals from their Dmen.

 

[Gee Wally]

Swayman talked how much he loves Boston so much so what’s the problem why hasn’t he signed,I guess no home town discount.

This will be his once in a lifetime contract IMO. If he signs for any number starting with a six he is giving a discount. If its in the 7s he’s getting market value. In the 8s he likes Boston but not enough to put a ring on it.
IMO.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

This will be his once in a lifetime contract IMO. If he signs for any number starting with a six he is giving a discount. If its in the 7s he’s getting market value. In the 8s he likes Boston but not enough to put a ring on it.
IMO.

If Swayman really believes in himself, he should go for a good 3-year deal in Boston. He's the man here now and it's a good bet he'll have great numbers for the Bruins. When he's 28 he can go for whatever he can get for as long as he can get.

 

[DominicT]

I keep going back and forth in my mind, granted a scary place.
If Bruins deal Linus before signing Sway, Sway has even more leverage.
If Bruins sign Sway before dealing Linus then teams interested in Linus have a bit more leverage.
These are the crazy things that keep me awake sometimes.

Yup.

No way anything gets leaked about either situation until the Bruins want it out.

Guaranteed agents and rival GM have been told as much.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I keep going back and forth in my mind, granted a scary place.
If Bruins deal Linus before signing Sway, Sway has even more leverage.
If Bruins sign Sway before dealing Linus then teams interested in Linus have a bit more leverage.
These are the crazy things that keep me awake sometimes.

Hopefully Ullmark's value will be based on how much a team feels they need him. Demand.

Swayman's contract will be based on how much the Bruins need HIM.

So you sign Swayman first and trade Ullmark to the highest bidder.

Or put another way, once Swayman is signed, the Bruins don't HAVE to trade Ullmark to have a good season. But if you trade Ullmark first, you HAVE to sign Swayman to have a good season.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Hopefully Ullmark's value will be based on how much a team feels they need him. Demand.

Swayman's contract will be based on how much the Bruins need HIM.

So you sign Swayman first and trade Ullmark to the highest bidder.

Or put another way, once Swayman is signed, the Bruins don't HAVE to trade Ullmark to have a good season. But if you trade Ullmark first, you HAVE to sign Swayman to have a good season.

So why would Swayman sign before the Bruins move Ullmark?

 

[Gee Wally]

If Swayman really believes in himself, he should go for a good 3-year deal in Boston. He's the man here now and it's a good bet he'll have great numbers for the Bruins. When he's 28 he can go for whatever he can get for as long as he can get.

I think he’d be nuts to do that. I bet his agent will too. One debilitating injury and not having huge lockout provisions and he could royally screw himself. For the fans and Bs a shorter term would be great. But this is a business.
Other side of the coin, if Bruins believe in him they have no issue going long term.
Its a two way street.

 

[SPV]

Let Debrusk and Heinen walk and give their money to Marchessault and Maroon.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

This will be his once in a lifetime contract IMO. If he signs for any number starting with a six he is giving a discount. If its in the 7s he’s getting market value. In the 8s he likes Boston but not enough to put a ring on it.
IMO.

Pasta didn't take a discount. McAvoy didn't take a discount. No reason for Swayman to take a discount. True market value is in the 8s.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

So why would Swayman sign before the Bruins move Ullmark?

Well I guess he could sit out the season. If he wanted to.

The Bruins would still have Ullmark and still be successful.

 

[Gee Wally]

Hopefully Ullmark's value will be based on how much a team feels they need him. Demand.

Swayman's contract will be based on how much the Bruins need HIM.

So you sign Swayman first and trade Ullmark to the highest bidder.

Or put another way, once Swayman is signed, the Bruins don't HAVE to trade Ullmark to have a good season. But if you trade Ullmark first, you HAVE to sign Swayman to have a good season.

If you sign Sway and keep Linus you tie your hands on Cap flexibility to improve other areas.
The best of all worlds is to have a gentlemen’s agreement with Sway. Thats my view anyway.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

If you sign Sway and keep Linus you tie your hands on Cap flexibility to improve other areas.
The best of all worlds is to have a gentlemen’s agreement with Sway. Thats my view anyway.

Oh I'd take a gentleman's agreement too. Any day.

I just don't trust it.

 

[dafoomie]

Swayman talked how much he loves Boston so much so what’s the problem why hasn’t he signed,I guess no home town discount.

They hardballed him, went to arbitration and offered 2 million. I wouldn't blame him if he held out for every last cent, he earned it.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I’m also pretty sure the fact that the Bruins are most likely trading Ullmark is already baked in to both trade negotiations and contract negotiations.

 

[Gee Wally]

I’m also pretty sure the fact that the Bruins are most likely trading Ullmark is already baked in to both trade negotiations and contract negotiations.

I would imagine the receiving club would insist on that. And perhaps Linus too depending on destination. Yep.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I would imagine the receiving club would insist on that. And perhaps Linus too depending on destination. Yep.

What I meant was whether Ullmark is traded before or after Swayman signs has no bearing on either transaction. It’s already baked in.

 

[Gee Wally]

What I meant was whether Ullmark is traded before or after Swayman signs has no bearing on either transaction. It’s already baked in.

We’ll just disagree on that.

 

[BlackFrancis]

Pasta didn't take a discount. McAvoy didn't take a discount. No reason for Swayman to take a discount. True market value is in the 8s.

I'm really hoping you're wrong and the value is in the 7s, but you're probably right. That playoff run probably renders his second half/third quarter performance dip meaningless.

Hate giving one goalie 10% of the cap, but it is what it is.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I'm really hoping you're wrong and the value is in the 7s, but you're probably right. That playoff run probably renders his second half/third quarter performance dip meaningless.

Hate giving one goalie 10% of the cap, but it is what it is.

Shesterkin is going to be in the 11s. Top Tier goaltenders are going to get big money now.

 

[GordonHowe]

I keep going back and forth in my mind, granted a scary place.
If Bruins deal Linus before signing Sway, Sway has even more leverage.
If Bruins sign Sway before dealing Linus then teams interested in Linus have a bit more leverage.
These are the crazy things that keep me awake sometimes.

In the scheme of things, let's go with dealing Linus before signing Sway.

Sway has plenty of leverage regardless. His play speaks for itself -- crucially, of course, in these playoffs -- and everyone and their brother knows the Bruins will deal Ullmark and install Jeremy as the unquestioned number one netminder.

Take a Benadryl before bed. It works for me.

 

[GordonHowe]

This will be his once in a lifetime contract IMO. If he signs for any number starting with a six he is giving a discount. If its in the 7s he’s getting market value. In the 8s he likes Boston but not enough to put a ring on it.
IMO.

I suspect that will be the case. Jeremy, like many goaltenders (see: Tim Thomas) is the prickly kind. He will not be taken advantage of, certainly not by Don Sweeney, and he's not going to take a hometown discount.

He knows his value and he won't take less to be a good soldier lining the pockets of the old man.

Nor should he.