2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[BleedBlue14]

I want to go on tangent here from good point you make. EF asked an interesting question last week on his pod- would you rather have Ottawa roster or Boston's? Sens arguably have more talent, and have since at least Bergeron and Krecji retired, but Boston has sustained winning culture. They play with structure and effort that you just don't see out of bottom teams. Sens have been a mess for years. Swapping out Brady ain't gonna change that.

And while it's still too early to see whether it will work, I think this is what DA has been trying to sustain here in refusing to do full teardown rebuild.

Culture/Identity/System It's all kind of the same thing. I think Buffalo is struggling through this alot right now as well. There has to be a balance there, there's only one puck. Reminiscent of the 2019 team. All of the talent was there that they needed. But it's hard to place everyone into the spot in which they fit in without a complete buy-in or without getting the right pieces magically. Stacking alot of talent is great. But aside from the McDavids/Crosby's etc and even with them it can only carry you so far.

 

[Reality Czech]

I bolded and underlined one part, and that I agree with that I'd bet going into battle in that facet Brady is a better option.

I also underlined another part because it's something Brian touched on earlier. Ottawa's defensive/goaltending struggles are not purely to blame on their defense and goalies. If you watch alot of the Senators breakdowns (I'll pinpoint Brady because this is where I focused when I did this exercise last year when this was a topic) their forwards are all over the place. There is no structure at all, maybe it's changed this year under new coaching, I haven't gotten to catch a game this year. But I specifically remember watching a highlight video of goals against in one game and 3 of them Brady specifically was all over the place, it was a discombobulated mess.

Fair points. I can't really speak to that regard but I refuse to believe Kyrou is any better defensively. He's gotten better than he used to be, but he's been out of position plenty of times on goals as well. I would be willing to call the defensive side a wash as neither guy will be a Selke candidate any time soon.

Regarding Ottawa, it could also be a coaching issue. I've heard DJ Smith was a popular coach among the players but not sure what kind of a tactician and positioning coach he is. Let's see how Ottawa does this year. If they underachieve yet again, then big changes might be coming up there. They've also made two brutal trades in recent years for DeBrincat and Chychrun which have set them back. Seems like they've had bad coaching and management lately.

 

[Memento]

To bring the trade forum back to sanity, I wonder if anyone wants to take a chance on Corson Ceulemans (Columbus right-handed defenseman)? I was a huge fan of him and Carson Lambos in their draft year. I'd ask what it would take on the trade forum, but I already asked on the Saad/Columbus thread, and I'm waiting for a response.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

To bring the trade forum back to sanity, I wonder if anyone wants to take a chance on Corson Ceulemans (Columbus right-handed defenseman)? I was a huge fan of him and Carson Lambos in their draft year. I'd ask what it would take on the trade forum, but I already asked on the Saad/Columbus thread, and I'm waiting for a response.

He's probably too young to completely write off, but he's done nothing since he was drafted to suggest he will be quality NHLer. If they want someone like Alexandrov I'd liely do it. I wouldn't pay much for him though.

 

[Memento]

He's probably too young to completely write off, but he's done nothing since he was drafted to suggest he will be quality NHLer. If they want someone like Alexandrov I'd liely do it. I wouldn't pay much for him though.

Only twenty-one. Yeah, I'd do it for Alexandrov, and I was an Alexandrov fan when he was drafted.

 

[Majorityof1]

Tkachuk has 19 more points than Kyrou over the past three years while playing 1 more game, so I'd argue he's actually better offensively than Kyrou although stylistically different. I'm not convinced that Kyrou will ever be the top star on his team at any point in his career while Brady arguably already is. And he hit the ground running as an 18 year old, which few players can do. I think he's the kind of player who wants to be a leader and put the team on his back whereas I don't get that sense from Kyrou at all.

I said it before but 3rd in the league in hits and 4th in shots. That's nothing to scoff at. He's gonna make an impact somehow pretty much every game, while Kyrou tends to disappear at times and scores in bunches. I'd prefer the power forward who can get to the dirty areas rather than the perimeter sniper, but that's just me.



What's silly is everyone acting like Tkachuk vs. Kyrou is an even close comparison. And I thought I was considered the homer around here lol. If we can upgrade a position, we should consider doing it if the price is manageable.

19 points over 3 years is 6 points a year. If Kyrou us so 1-dimensional and streaky vs Tkachuk bring so dominant, you think it would be more than 6 points a year difference.

Nobody is saying Tkachuk isn't better. But giving up a first round pick + for 3 less years for 6 points a season and some possible intangibles?!?!?

You aren't even addressing the contract and acquisition cost. We get it. You like Grr I'm a togh guy, mean Neanderthal, when men were real men and all that bullshit. But the numbers on ice don't justify the extra acquisition cost and less contract term.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

I've watched more Senators hockey over the last two seasons than any other non-Blues team. I kind of adopted them as my Eastern Conference team because I'd like to see that franchise do something positive after years of being awful. Brady is a FRUSTRATING player to watch. He's undisciplined at times. He's obnoxious all the time. He'll get the job done, but I don't think I'd pay the price the Sens would ask.

 

[Reality Czech]

I've watched more Senators hockey over the last two seasons than any other non-Blues team. I kind of adopted them as my Eastern Conference team because I'd like to see that franchise do something positive after years of being awful. Brady is a FRUSTRATING player to watch. He's undisciplined at times. He's obnoxious all the time. He'll get the job done, but I don't think I'd pay the price the Sens would ask.

So we found something him and Kyrou have in common.

 

[Brian39]

I don't really wanna get into an argument over this because every one is entitled to their own opinion, but I will say that not all dimensions are equal. Lots of players are fast, but it doesn't always translate to success.

Lots of players are physical, but it doesn't always translate to success.

And if Brady isn't a dominant player, then who is? He's close to a PPG guy who can bully almost anyone in the league physically. How many other players can you say that about? He was also 3rd in the league in hits and 4th in SOG all while scoring 37g 37a and a +1 on a poor defensive team. Sounds pretty dominant to me. Kyrou's strength is offense, but Tkachuk is probably even better offensively while bringing much more to the table in other areas.

His older brother for starters. But also, guys who score 50+ goals, score 100+ points, get votes for MVP, get votes for Norris, get votes for Selke, guys who dramatically outscore the other team when on the ice, and/or drag mediocre teams to the playoffs.

Brady doesn't take over games at the degree or frequency that many dominant (future HoF) players currently in the league do. He's a great player, but he's not the undeniable, uncontainable force that a dominant player is. He's never finished top 20 in goals, assists, or points. "Dominant" is a hell of a descriptor.

He's a great player, but he is not a dominant player. He's amazing to own in a bangers fantasy league, but huge hit/shot totals are less valuable in actual hockey than they are in my fantasy hockey league. I don't equate hits and shots with whether a player is dominant on the ice.

I'd say Brady's a better bet to score 50 someday than Kyrou, who is still extremely streaky and goes through stretches where he doesn't score much. When Kyrou isn't scoring, he doesn't bring much to the table, which can't be said about Brady. Sure he might need to work on his discipline, but I bet teammates love going to battle with that guy.

I'd be extremely surprised if he ever scores 50 because I don't think he has the shooting ability. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if he outscores Kyrou more often than not and averages more goals per season. If I were betting on 'most 35+ or 40+ goal seasons over their careers I'd put my money on Brady. But I don't think his shot is good enough to sustain a season long shooting percentage high enough to hit 50 goals. I think Brady is the guy more likely to post those consistent 35-40 goal seasons while Kyrou is a guy that could shoot the lights out to hit 50 goals one year and then regress down to the high 20s or low 30s the next.

I wouldn't bet even money on either to ever hit 50 though.

Ottawa's struggles mostly have to do with crappy defense and goaltending, neither of which Brady can be blamed for. I would argue that their division has been tougher than ours lately with 4 legit contenders within the division, and it's also true that teams kind of mail it in once it's clear they're not making the playoffs. In any case, the fact that he was chosen as captain at the age of 22 tells me that management values his character. We would be fortunate to land a player of his caliber and I hope it happens someday.

Defense is a team effort and Brady's is pretty damn poor. I absolutely blame my captain for piss poor defense efforts (see most of my posts discussing Schenn for the last year).

Poor starts have plagued that team for years. They've had a losing record in their first 10 games in each of the last 4 seasons. They have consistently put themselves into a hole quickly. That organization has been a mess for years, not just in garbage time.

Again, I like Brady the player a ton. This isn't a 'he sucks' post. But I don't think he's an elite player. He has legitimate flaws to his game. While he and Kyrou are very different stylistically, I don't think that their overall positive impacts are all that different. I'd take Brady over Kyrou in a vacuum, but I don't see a massive chasm in value that offsets Brady's noticeably worse contract situation.

Now, I would be totally on board with trying to acquire him if he does become available due to a trade request and/or Ottawa failing again and deciding to make a drastic move. But I'd be seeking to move a futures package vs swapping Kyrou for him.