2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[LetsGoBooze]

We're years away from Schenn interfering with our salary cap. With so many young players expected to hit the roster over the next few seasons we can afford to pay Schenn's deal, and even with declining play, if he provides leadership and guidance to the younger generation I'd be happy to keep him. Building an entire roster of guys "only age 27 or younger" is more of NHL video game management and isn't realistic. Sure a team can focus on a young core, which we are, but veterans will always fill some sort of roles on all teams. Im perfectly fine with an aging Schenn and Buch for the foreseeable future. Sure if we need to move him out his last year or two, so be it, but his contract should be of zero concern right now.

 

[Majorityof1]

Removed the Snuggerud part because I don't fully disagree that there's risk there, but there is with any prospect.

Wanted to touch on the Schenn part being hard to move. While I don't think you could expect a substantial return for Schenn I think that there are alot of teams looking to move out from the rebuilding phase going towards contending that could benefit and would like to add a guy like Schenn. The issue at hand is we are also in that spot. We don't really need the cap space, we've proven with Steen that a guy like that can still be rostered in a contention window and does add value. I don't really forsee them moving on from Schenn, but I do think eventually they're going to have to remove the captaincy from him and hand it over to Thomas. Your guess is as good as mine about how that plays out, and honestly with Steen taking over, there's a possibility it doesn't play out. it just seems like a rather logical move.

I think the most logical player to move is Saad, and i'm not really sure the organization cares about stockpiling the prospect pool as much as they did the last couple of years. In terms of his clause, I think it would be fairly easy if it got to the point to convince him that moving to a contender is a better career move for him than staying here for a year and a half to have his ice time limited because we need to see this younger core getting meaningful minutes.

The other players you listed, save Faulk/Leddy which I don't think they'd be someone that we would move, aren't really too meaningful in terms of where we want to be in the next couple of years. They were all pretty low risk bets. I don't think you'd see the Blues moving out Sunny, but instead moving him into an extra forward role, which for the player may not be the best situation, but at least he's still here where he wanted to be.

You said Steen proved a guy like Schenn can add value. How? Aren't they different players? Steen's offensive game diminished but he was still a rock star defensively and on the cycle. Skills ideal for a 4th line role. Schenn hasn't been half as good defensively on his best day as a 35 year old Steen on his worst.

I like Schenn, but I see him as a player whose value will erode as his offensive game goes. Despite his physicality, I don't see him as a good 4th line fit as an older veteran who lost his shot and some foot speed.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

You said Steen proved a guy like Schenn can add value. How? Aren't they different players? Steen's offensive game diminished but he was still a rock star defensively and on the cycle. Skills ideal for a 4th line role. Schenn hasn't been half as good defensively on his best day as a 35 year old Steen on his worst.

I like Schenn, but I see him as a player whose value will erode as his offensive game goes. Despite his physicality, I don't see him as a good 4th line fit as an older veteran who lost his shot and some foot speed.

The quality to emulate from Steen is the willingness to take whatever role the team needed. Schenn seems to have that type of attitude. We’ll see if he can adjust his game for 4th line roles when it comes to it.

For me, the anticipated explosion in the salary cap over the duration of Schenn’s contract is what will make it easier to either move or cope with. It just won’t hurt as much even if he’s cooked and can’t fill a useful role.

 

[Majorityof1]

The quality to emulate from Steen is the willingness to take whatever role the team needed. Schenn seems to have that type of attitude. We’ll see if he can adjust his game for 4th line roles when it comes to it.

For me, the anticipated explosion in the salary cap over the duration of Schenn’s contract is what will make it easier to either move or cope with. It just won’t hurt as much even if he’s cooked and can’t fill a useful role.

Taking a lesser role as your skill diminishes is great. But the reason Steen was so important to that team is he took it and excelled at it. That 4th line was crucial to wear down opponents, provide a spark, spell our top lines, and chip in some offense. If Steen was completely washed, all the willingness in the world wouldn't have mattered. Schenn due to his play style, strengths and weaknesses, could be more of a liability than an asset as he ages, even if he is willing to take a lesser role.

I do agree his cap hit as cap rises won't cripple us. Still if we can move him for cheap, that would be my preference given we have other aging cap hits of the same amount and I feel his will age the worst (aside from Krug who is probably LTIRetired).. But that is just a guess on my part

 

[bleedblue1223]

Yeah, Steen fit perfectly with Barbashev and Sunny and they were able to handle tough assignments. Schenn will eventually just be a piece that is probably adequate on the 4th, but doesn't really do anything that well anymore.

 

[PocketNines]

Schenn needs two things to age like Steen and he has one of them, the right attitude.

It's not enough and he looks close to done with his career. I love Schenn. He can say he did a thing I desperately wanted him to do, while many other Blues cannot. But he looks cooked

 

[jjniner]

Suter keeps playing well and 20+ minutes a night, he may end of being our number 1 trade chip!

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Suter keeps playing well and 20+ minutes a night, he may end of being our number 1 trade chip!

He will fade. MosDef.

 

[Brian39]

Suter keeps playing well and 20+ minutes a night, he may end of being our number 1 trade chip!

I think it is very unlikely that he will regularly be playing 20+ minutes a night. Leddy had an absolutely awful start to the season, but his play was also substantially worse than he's been over his tenure as a Blue. Now he is out of the lineup with an injury and we'll see how long that lasts. But I think it is extremely reasonable to believe that the last 2 years is more representative of who he will be this year than the 4 game sample before he missed a game with injury.

He could very well be regressing and never again be the player he was last year. But even if that is the case I think he is much more likely to be somewhere in between last season and these first 4 games than for him to just be the guy he's been for the first 4 games.

Barring this injury being serious enough to keep him out long term, I'm extremely comfortable penciling him into a role as the #5 D man who takes his regular shift on the 3rd pair but plays 5-8 shift with Parayko in the O zone. Even in a scenario where we believe that Suter has cemented a top 4 spot, I think his actual deployment would be to play 15-16 shutdown minutes with Parayko at even strength, a couple PK minutes. Then the remaining 5-6 of Parayko's minutes would come with Leddy in non-shutdown situations.

Even if we assume the worst for Leddy, I just don't see Suter stapled to Parayko at 5 on 5 in all situations like he was last night.

 

[taylord22]

Had to do some training with constructing an AI model + dataset in my spare time to prep/POC for an actual work initiative. Fairly basic for those devs floating around here, but I ended up throwing it some team/individual data that I was able to scrape (but not verify...because time/pain), as well as a spreadsheet I created with my own prospect rankings.

I haven't gone very far here with my prospect list — I've accomplished what I needed for the original purpose, but might keep tweaking for fun. Thomas and Kyrou are essentially the controls here. And I just took the 8 "prospects" that I've 1.) gotten the best views of and 2.) foresee being a part of the logjam.

Aside from the team/individual performance data, I also had it look at Armstrong's trade history, and found a separate dataset for all NHL trades the last 3 years. I messed up here, as I didn't run a control on the results with/without that data set, but: Stated objective was to create a top 6 with some spare (ideally, unique) parts that can float between bottom and middle 6. And to add a tradeability and redundancy score next to each player.

Prospect	Position	Tradeability Score	Justification
Dvorsky	C	1	Core future player
Snuggerud	W	3	Potential asset for trade unless trending toward ceiling
Stenberg	W	2	Valuable. Tradeable in a package deal for elite talent.
Neighbors	W	2	Important. Only tradeable once trend stabilizes and only if talent (>)
Bolduc	W	3	Neutral; depends on team needs
Dean	C	4	Expendable; trade candidate
Peterson	C/W	3	Versatile but tradable. Potentially ascendent due to physical characteristics. IQ is the cap.
Kyrou	W	2	Tradeable but requires (>) and known production coming back
Thomas	C	1	Cornerstone team member

High confidence in the Center positions. Wings lack elite skill, capping shot quality and reducing production. Recommend trading non NHL assets — ideally 3 and below — for Elite Wing talent.

Known Targets: Brock Boeser and Travis Konecny

Emerging Players: Kirill Marchenko and Jack Quinn could be strategic acquisitions for both immediate impact and future growth.

Not meant to mean much, but wanted to share for fun. Obviously, defense is a driver here that is not represented, and, my rankings certainly swing the model more significantly than the generalized production data would've on its own. Last note: I added Buch to the model, and it didn't change a whole lot other than giving him a score of 2 (due to his age).

 

[ChicagoBlues]

That was a fun read.

 

[Blanick]

Had to do some training with constructing an AI model + dataset in my spare time to prep/POC for an actual work initiative. Fairly basic for those devs floating around here, but I ended up throwing it some team/individual data that I was able to scrape (but not verify...because time/pain), as well as a spreadsheet I created with my own prospect rankings.


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I haven't gone very far here with my prospect list — I've accomplished what I needed for the original purpose, but might keep tweaking for fun. Thomas and Kyrou are essentially the controls here. And I just took the 8 "prospects" that I've 1.) gotten the best views of and 2.) foresee being a part of the logjam.

Aside from the team/individual performance data, I also had it look at Armstrong's trade history, and found a separate dataset for all NHL trades the last 3 years. I messed up here, as I didn't run a control on the results with/without that data set, but: Stated objective was to create a top 6 with some spare (ideally, unique) parts that can float between bottom and middle 6. And to add a tradeability and redundancy score next to each player.


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[TH]Justification[/TH]
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[TD]Dvorsky[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Core future player[/TD]
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[TD]Snuggerud[/TD]
[TD]W[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Potential asset for trade unless trending toward ceiling[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stenberg[/TD]
[TD]W[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Valuable. Tradeable in a package deal for elite talent.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Neighbors[/TD]
[TD]W[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Important. Only tradeable once trend stabilizes and only if talent (>)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bolduc[/TD]
[TD]W[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Neutral; depends on team needs[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dean[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Expendable; trade candidate[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Peterson[/TD]
[TD]C/W[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Versatile but tradable. Potentially ascendent due to physical characteristics. IQ is the cap.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kyrou[/TD]
[TD]W[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Tradeable but requires (>) and known production coming back[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Thomas[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Cornerstone team member[/TD]
[/TR]
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High confidence in the Center positions. Wings lack elite skill, capping shot quality and reducing production. Recommend trading non NHL assets — ideally 3 and below — for Elite Wing talent.

Known Targets: Brock Boeser and Travis Konecny

Emerging Players: Kirill Marchenko and Jack Quinn could be strategic acquisitions for both immediate impact and future growth.

Not meant to mean much, but wanted to share for fun. Obviously, defense is a driver here that is not represented, and, my rankings certainly swing the model more significantly than the generalized production data would've on its own. Last note: I added Buch to the model, and it didn't change a whole lot other than giving him a score of 2 (due to his age).

Interesting.... Not sure I agree with your assessments of all player and prospects but do agree that it is very unlikely that all become regulars in the Blues NHL lineup. I could see the Blues trading from this pool to get a young cost controlled defenseman to build alongside Broberg, A. Jiricek and Lindstein.

There is a thread on the trade board about the possibility of sending Saad to the Blue Jackets. Someone in that thread (a Jackets fan) threw out a suggestion of trading D. Jiricek for Neighbours. Not sure if there has been issues in Columbus or even if their management feels the same but if they did consider moving him I would hope the Blues would be all over it. Not for the novelty of having another set of brothers but because it would give us a crazy core of super young defense players. Imagine this core in 5 years.

Broberg - D. Jiricek
Lindstein - A. Jiricek

 

[Memento]

Interesting.... Not sure I agree with your assessments of all player and prospects but do agree that it is very unlikely that all become regulars in the Blues NHL lineup. I could see the Blues trading from this pool to get a young cost controlled defenseman to build alongside Broberg, A. Jiricek and Lindstein.

There is a thread on the trade board about the possibility of sending Saad to the Blue Jackets. Someone in that thread (a Jackets fan) threw out a suggestion of trading D. Jiricek for Neighbours. Not sure if there has been issues in Columbus or even if their management feels the same but if they did consider moving him I would hope the Blues would be all over it. Not for the novelty of having another set of brothers but because it would give us a crazy core of super young defense players. Imagine this core in 5 years.

Broberg - D. Jiricek
Lindstein - A. Jiricek

If there's no off-ice issues (talking unknown injury or legal stuff) with David Jiricek, I'd do that in a heartbeat, and I love Jake Neighbours.

Right now, from what I'm seeing, Jiricek had a poor preseason, still managed to make the roster, but hasn't really played, and could potentially get shuffled from Columbus to the AHL. And from what I'm seeing, he hasn't really earned a spot.

But like Broberg, David Jiricek could be a perfect change of scenery candidate. We forget that he hasn't yet turned twenty-one (will turn twenty-one in late November), and that defensemen sometimes take time to grow.

 

[Blanick]

If there's no off-ice issues (talking unknown injury or legal stuff) with David Jiricek, I'd do that in a heartbeat, and I love Jake Neighbours.

Right now, from what I'm seeing, Jiricek had a poor preseason, still managed to make the roster, but hasn't really played, and could potentially get shuffled from Columbus to the AHL. And from what I'm seeing, he hasn't really earned a spot.

But like Broberg, David Jiricek could be a perfect change of scenery candidate. We forget that he hasn't yet turned twenty-one (will turn twenty-one in late November), and that defensemen sometimes take time to grow.

Same and again this is all just speculation there has been no evidence that Columbus is actually willing to trade him. However, if they did I think I would pull the trigger. It would be hard because Neighbours has established himself in the NHL at this point but Jiricek would be too enticing. It would suck though because I feel like their really isn't anyone else in the system that replaces what Neighbours is and could be.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

There’s an apparent attitude problem with him and the coach sat him to see how he’d respond.

I read this in an article recently. Not sure if it’s true, but maybe others have also heard this.

 

[taylord22]

Interesting.... Not sure I agree with your assessments of all player and prospects but do agree that it is very unlikely that all become regulars in the Blues NHL lineup. I could see the Blues trading from this pool to get a young cost controlled defenseman to build alongside Broberg, A. Jiricek and Lindstein.

I should've noted that skills were weighted by Ceiling, Floor, and NHL Game.

@Celtic Note had the idea of grading prospects by floor, ceiling and likelihood — I got hit with work stuff at the time, but I've always really liked that idea. I would've preferred a group aggregate for the prospect data, but understand that this site likes to keep its content homegrown. Would be interesting to run polls here for each prospect in our top 20-25 and see what the aggregates might be for some of these guys.

Been awhile since we've had a prospect pool worth diving deep on.

 

[aceoutdoor]

I don't normally get involved in this thread, but I am curious IF it were possible to trade for Brady Tkachuk, what is a realistic idea what it would take? Kyrou plus what? Have there ever been any rumblings Brady is not happy in Ottawa?

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[Xerloris]

I don't normally get involved in this thread, but I am curious IF it were possible to trade for Brady Tkachuk, what is a realistic idea what it would take? Kyrou plus what? Have there ever been any rumblings Brady is not happy in Ottawa?

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I'm sure I'm wrong but Kyrou + very little IMO. They're very similar point production wise but Kyrou has more of a track record of scoring big goals when they're needed than Brady does. That's just me though.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Here we go with the trade Kyrou and the moon for Tkachuk stuff again

 

[STL fan in MN]

Here we go with the trade Kyrou and the moon for Tkachuk stuff again

Nope. This time it’s different. It’s trade Kyrou and a pebble for Tkachuk this time.

 

[BrokenFace]

I don't normally get involved in this thread, but I am curious IF it were possible to trade for Brady Tkachuk, what is a realistic idea what it would take? Kyrou plus what? Have there ever been any rumblings Brady is not happy in Ottawa?

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If the Sens show progress this year and play like a playoff team, they wouldn't consider trading him unless it was a massive overpayment. If the Sens again miss the playoffs, then I don't know why we would trade Kyrou+ for a guy who has never made the playoffs and will need a new contract several years before Kyrou does.

 

[Reality Czech]

If the Sens show progress this year and play like a playoff team, they wouldn't consider trading him unless it was a massive overpayment. If the Sens again miss the playoffs, then I don't know why we would trade Kyrou+ for a guy who has never made the playoffs and will need a new contract several years before Kyrou does.

Because he's the more impactful player. One player alone can't will a team to the playoffs.

 

[BrokenFace]

Because he's the more impactful player. One player alone can't will a team to the playoffs.

Agreed that Brady is better, but I don't think it's by enough that I'd add much value to Kyrou to get him. And Kyrou's contract is objectively better, which is why I brought up the playoffs aspect. If Brady is going to solve problems on this roster that Kyrou can't, why isn't his current team having more success?

 

[joe galiba]

Agreed that Brady is better, but I don't think it's by enough that I'd add much value to Kyrou to get him. And Kyrou's contract is objectively better, which is why I brought up the playoffs aspect. If Brady is going to solve problems on this roster that Kyrou can't, why isn't his current team having more success?

if he is a good hitter, why doesn't he hit good

 

[Reality Czech]

Agreed that Brady is better, but I don't think it's by enough that I'd add much value to Kyrou to get him. And Kyrou's contract is objectively better, which is why I brought up the playoffs aspect. If Brady is going to solve problems on this roster that Kyrou can't, why isn't his current team having more success?

It's not really fair to blame Brady for Ottawa not making the playoffs. Plenty of great players hadn't had playoff success by the time they were 25. As I said before, team success doesn't depend on one player just as one player doesn't fix a team's problems on their own.

I don't wanna get too deep into it since we've already discussed this here but the way I see it both Tkachuk and Kyrou put up similar points but one is a dominant power forward while the other is a mostly one dimensional, nonphysical player. Brady is a leader while Kyrou hasn't shown that kind of character up to this point. I feel he's more content to be a follower, albeit a very skilled one.

I wouldn't give up a ton more, but I'd give up more than most here I suspect.