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BadgersandBlues said:
I'm glad I'm not Armstrong today. The Blues have played so well since the 4 Nations break that normally I'd say they've earned the right to make a run. I don't think you need to have a Cup or bust mentality all the time. There's value in meaningful games down the stretch, and a lot of value in giving your young players a chance to see what playoff intensity is all about. The Capitals players have mentioned multiple times that making the playoffs last year, even with getting swept, was invaluable to their growth. With the way we've been playing and Binny being nails as any goalie has ever been for the Blues, why not have some hope??

The Parayko injury news last night now makes this decision so cloudy. I have my gripes with Parayko, but he plays a huge role on this team and is having a career year. The fact that we don't even get to see how we'd play a game without him is a shame - I'd almost rather have this news after the deadline then before.

I don't begrudge Army having to make these types of choices today. How can you ask your guys to play hard and earn it, they respond, and then pull the rug out from under them? There's no replacing what Schenn brings internally, and I think most of us felt that if we were going to buy, a guy to replace/displace Sunny was the best use of assets, as he's clearly the weakest link in our top 9. You take away Schenn and Parayko, and this team is pretty much DOA. Yet with the prices being thrown about the league for some of these guys, how do you not pounce on that value, even if that means your season is over?

I am in agony today. I don't know what direction we're going to go, and I frankly don't know what direction I even WANT us to go. These last two to three weeks have been some of the most fun of the season, and I don't want that to end. I went from falling asleep during games with Bannister to now being fully engaged and yelling/cheering at my TV regularly. Cowan + 2026 1st doesn't really get me excited. Yet keeping Schenn and then flaming out hard b/c Parayko really was the glue that held it all together is going to be such a kick in the dick.

The one thing I will say is that Centers are very very hard to come by. Schenn isn't perfect, but we can't just expect Dvo to step in and lock down even 3C next year, much less 2C. A week ago I was floating the idea of grabbing a Duchene or Tavares in UFA for some obscene AAV on a short term deal to help push Schenn down and give Dvo a smoother transition. If we move Schenn, now we need to potentially find two Centers.
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I agree this agony!!! I would like to see him add Dobson and roll with the core into the playoffs. However, we haven’t had a deadline like this in how long? I don’t know the last time. These prices are awesome and we are technically in a re-whatever; selling Schenn today could significantly speed that up. In Armstrong we trust! I don’t envy him today. If he wasn’t already bald I would worry for his hair health lol.
 
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I’m glad Dylan cozens moved and it wasn’t us. And Josh Norris. Really didnt personally want either in the middle of our lineup. Feels like if we had gone with one of them we’d be keeping them for a while.
 
BadgersandBlues said:
I'm glad I'm not Armstrong today. The Blues have played so well since the 4 Nations break that normally I'd say they've earned the right to make a run. I don't think you need to have a Cup or bust mentality all the time. There's value in meaningful games down the stretch, and a lot of value in giving your young players a chance to see what playoff intensity is all about. The Capitals players have mentioned multiple times that making the playoffs last year, even with getting swept, was invaluable to their growth. With the way we've been playing and Binny being nails as any goalie has ever been for the Blues, why not have some hope??

The Parayko injury news last night now makes this decision so cloudy. I have my gripes with Parayko, but he plays a huge role on this team and is having a career year. The fact that we don't even get to see how we'd play a game without him is a shame - I'd almost rather have this news after the deadline then before.

I don't begrudge Army having to make these types of choices today. How can you ask your guys to play hard and earn it, they respond, and then pull the rug out from under them? There's no replacing what Schenn brings internally, and I think most of us felt that if we were going to buy, a guy to replace/displace Sunny was the best use of assets, as he's clearly the weakest link in our top 9. You take away Schenn and Parayko, and this team is pretty much DOA. Yet with the prices being thrown about the league for some of these guys, how do you not pounce on that value, even if that means your season is over?

I am in agony today. I don't know what direction we're going to go, and I frankly don't know what direction I even WANT us to go. These last two to three weeks have been some of the most fun of the season, and I don't want that to end. I went from falling asleep during games with Bannister to now being fully engaged and yelling/cheering at my TV regularly. Cowan + 2026 1st doesn't really get me excited. Yet keeping Schenn and then flaming out hard b/c Parayko really was the glue that held it all together is going to be such a kick in the dick.

The one thing I will say is that Centers are very very hard to come by. Schenn isn't perfect, but we can't just expect Dvo to step in and lock down even 3C next year, much less 2C. A week ago I was floating the idea of grabbing a Duchene or Tavares in UFA for some obscene AAV on a short term deal to help push Schenn down and give Dvo a smoother transition. If we move Schenn, now we need to potentially find two Centers.
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You captured my feelings (and thought process) exactly.

I'm leaning more and more into believing that the 'ideal' deadline would be to find a way get one of the early-mid 20s D men rumored to be available (preferably RHD unless we're talking about Power/Byram). Even if the guy is a Nemec or Clarke who hasn't shown current top-4 ability, you would at least be showing the room that you are bringing in some talent to help give them a fighting chance this year. Unfortunately, these deals rarely get made at the deadline and most the guys available would probably require a substantial subtraction from the NHL roster to get done.

There is that tipping point in value where you owe it to the long-term organizational health to become a traditional seller, but I'm also struggling to get excited about moving Schenn for an objectively good return that is also unlikely to net us assets that ever become one of the most 5-8 most important players on our NHL roster.
 
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BadgersandBlues said:
I'm glad I'm not Armstrong today. The Blues have played so well since the 4 Nations break that normally I'd say they've earned the right to make a run. I don't think you need to have a Cup or bust mentality all the time. There's value in meaningful games down the stretch, and a lot of value in giving your young players a chance to see what playoff intensity is all about. The Capitals players have mentioned multiple times that making the playoffs last year, even with getting swept, was invaluable to their growth. With the way we've been playing and Binny being nails as any goalie has ever been for the Blues, why not have some hope??

The Parayko injury news last night now makes this decision so cloudy. I have my gripes with Parayko, but he plays a huge role on this team and is having a career year. The fact that we don't even get to see how we'd play a game without him is a shame - I'd almost rather have this news after the deadline then before.

I don't begrudge Army having to make these types of choices today. How can you ask your guys to play hard and earn it, they respond, and then pull the rug out from under them? There's no replacing what Schenn brings internally, and I think most of us felt that if we were going to buy, a guy to replace/displace Sunny was the best use of assets, as he's clearly the weakest link in our top 9. You take away Schenn and Parayko, and this team is pretty much DOA. Yet with the prices being thrown about the league for some of these guys, how do you not pounce on that value, even if that means your season is over?

I am in agony today. I don't know what direction we're going to go, and I frankly don't know what direction I even WANT us to go. These last two to three weeks have been some of the most fun of the season, and I don't want that to end. I went from falling asleep during games with Bannister to now being fully engaged and yelling/cheering at my TV regularly. Cowan + 2026 1st doesn't really get me excited. Yet keeping Schenn and then flaming out hard b/c Parayko really was the glue that held it all together is going to be such a kick in the dick.

The one thing I will say is that Centers are very very hard to come by. Schenn isn't perfect, but we can't just expect Dvo to step in and lock down even 3C next year, much less 2C. A week ago I was floating the idea of grabbing a Duchene or Tavares in UFA for some obscene AAV on a short term deal to help push Schenn down and give Dvo a smoother transition. If we move Schenn, now we need to potentially find two Centers.
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It's not a hard decision. Sell. Sell anything of value that isn't bolted down. Our chances of making the playoffs without Parayko are uncertain. The return of making the playoffs is uncertain as well. People say we need to get young guys experience in playoffs, but what young guys? Holloway and Broberg got that experience last year. So Neighbours? Bolduc? I mean 2 guys we can maybe get playoff experience if we get lucky. No, trade Faksa and Suter if anyone will take them. Trade Schenn for best deal you can. Get those guys playoff experience next year when we will also have Snuggy and Dovorsky.
 
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I’d grab Hienola and barlow

One a project, probably mildest of expectations, the other my favorite prospect of theirs and I’m greedy. Plus their first (playoff hellebyuck) could be valuable. Yager maybe more likely seeing he just got there so isn’t like their home grown pick.
 
Majorityof1 said:
It's not a hard decision. Sell. Sell anything of value that isn't bolted down. Our chances of making the playoffs without Parayko are uncertain. The return of making the playoffs is uncertain as well. People say we need to get young guys experience in playoffs, but what young guys? Holloway and Broberg got that experience last year. So Neighbours? Bolduc? I mean 2 guys we can maybe get playoff experience if we get lucky. No, trade Faksa and Suter if anyone will take them. Trade Schenn for best deal you can. Get those guys playoff experience next year when we will also have Snuggy and Dovorsky.
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Two hours to go got to find the final dance partners soon. If he hasn’t sold Sutter and Faska I think that would have been done by now. If he does trade Schenn you would think they would already be out the door? Can he fit three trades into the last two hours???

If we trade Scheen the chance of DA adding anything to replace him are slim so why not sell them as well.
 
Last trade between Winnipeg and St. Louis was a similar circumstance - the Blues on the fringe of a playoff spot traded a Center (Stastny) for a 4th, a 1st and a prospect (who ultimately retired due to concussions). Hopefully if we're taking back Barlow and a 1st for Schenn, we don't get damaged goods.
 
I guess maybe we/Dubas had the Schenns ready to go and they decided no? Maybe someday much later on somebody can ask Brayden about this event.
 
Majorityof1 said:
It's not a hard decision. Sell. Sell anything of value that isn't bolted down. Our chances of making the playoffs without Parayko are uncertain. The return of making the playoffs is uncertain as well. People say we need to get young guys experience in playoffs, but what young guys? Holloway and Broberg got that experience last year. So Neighbours? Bolduc? I mean 2 guys we can maybe get playoff experience if we get lucky. No, trade Faksa and Suter if anyone will take them. Trade Schenn for best deal you can. Get those guys playoff experience next year when we will also have Snuggy and Dovorsky.
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Which is something that becomes much less realistic if we sell anything of value that isn't bolted down.

I get the argument for selling and I'm not saying it is the wrong choice. But doing so noticeably decreases playoff chances for 2025/26. Or you offset that decrease by adding a contract that hurts for longer than the contract(s) you sent out. Or you offset that decrease by spending the assets you got to bring in a similar player to the player you shipped out. Again, I get the argument for selling, but doing so means that you can't as easily assume that the playoff experience will come next year.

FWIW Bobby Margarita just said 'it didn't look as though Schenn was ready to waive' his NTC to Toronto, so at least one of our potential sellable assets is limiting the market of what we could get. So selling everything you can now instead of waiting doesn't necessarily mean peak value.
 
Looks like the room truly has made the decision for Army. Binner made a direct statement to the media about this room's desire to battle for each other and it sounds like Schenn is exercising trade protection to stay. This is exactly the type of leadership you want when you talk about building good locker room culture and avoiding a loser mentality.

Call it playoff experience, or playing meaningful games, or whatever. But every young guy in the room just got a clear lesson about the pride and confidence you need to have to be a winner in this league.

Hard to be mad.
 
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The state tax thing may bite us.

If that change does happen in Missouri or it is being anticipated, it’s a giant pay cut for a player to move across the Canadian border with a deal in both taxation and buying power. Dramatic change in take home wealth that becomes a barrier to waiving clauses.

Oh well.

I give the deadline a C so far.

Points for not doing anything stupid. Minus points for the giant hole at right defense for the next 20 games.
 
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Brian39 said:
Which is something that becomes much less realistic if we sell anything of value that isn't bolted down.

I get the argument for selling and I'm not saying it is the wrong choice. But doing so noticeably decreases playoff chances for 2025/26. Or you offset that decrease by adding a contract that hurts for longer than the contract(s) you sent out. Or you offset that decrease by spending the assets you got to bring in a similar player to the player you shipped out. Again, I get the argument for selling, but doing so means that you can't as easily assume that the playoff experience will come next year.

FWIW Bobby Margarita just said 'it didn't look as though Schenn was ready to waive' his NTC to Toronto, so at least one of our potential sellable assets is limiting the market of what we could get. So selling everything you can now instead of waiting doesn't necessarily mean peak value.
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Everything bolted down was an exageration. But i don't think the UFAs are in our plans next year. Schenn will hurt next year, but as you have pointed out, we have good cap structure we can overpay for a replacement to ensure a shorter-term contract.
 
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