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please dont get my hopes up

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Seeing what the Islanders got for Nelson, I'm very, very curious about the types of offers we get for Schenn tomorrow.

I feel like somebody is going to come with a stupid offer. Will Army take it, or will he feel the team deserves to play this season out?
 
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After the Parayko news today I’m so unbelievably conflicted on what I want Army to do tomorrow.

It’s most definitely a sellers market, but I still think this team is good enough to make the playoffs. They’re on fire, and they absolutely look like a legitimate threat with the way they’re playing.

I think I want them to do what Washington has done lately with buying and selling at the same time. Get big returns on players that won’t be contributors when the Snuggerud/Dvorsky/Stenberg/Lindstein core get here, but also make moves for established players that can help us in the future.

I was all in on buying when I woke up this morning, but things change fast sometimes.
 
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PeoriaBlues309 said:
After the Parayko news today I’m so unbelievably conflicted on what I want Army to do tomorrow.

It’s most definitely a sellers market, but I still think this team is good enough to make the playoffs. They’re on fire, and they absolutely look like a legitimate threat with the way they’re playing.

I think I want them to do what Washington has done lately with buying and selling at the same time. Get big returns on players that won’t be contributors when the Snuggerud/Dvorsky/Stenberg/Lindstein core get here, but also make moves for established players that can help us in the future.

I was all in on buying when I woke up this morning, but things change fast sometimes.
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I agree - I woke up this morning so excited and thinking that we might actually buy - but with the Parayko news it's really tough. I think if we get offered Knies for Schenn I say yes, otherwise I don't really think Cowan and a 2026 first do much for me.

Then again, if Tavares and Marner both leave Toronto, and either Nylander or Matthews get hurt for a significant amount of time, that 2026 pick might turn into something serious.
 
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Snubbed4Vezina said:
Seeing what the Islanders got for Nelson, I'm very, very curious about the types of offers we get for Schenn tomorrow.

I feel like somebody is going to come with a stupid offer. Will Army take it, or will he feel the team deserves to play this season out?
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I think the scenario hinges on whether one or two extremely ideal situations approve the deal for the waive of clauses. Unfortunately we are not entering this one from a position of strength: thus setting a high price, market isn’t able to do it for us because there really isn’t a market in this case.

I don’t know that we can pull of what Nelson was able to or that we’ll get additional interest. I think there’s probably a small number of outcomes that could work.

A silver lining if fans wanting us to sell players wants hopium: any deal could exist today because of the cap accrual. The latest possible day does have possible benefits. It isn’t necessarily the eleventh hour, as things could have been decided upon already but put on hold for the cap benefits of waiting til the final day. We’ll see!
 
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I’d like Schenn out, something from Bufallo in. But maybe that’s better in the offseason. I’d like McLeod.

If we move Schenn and our return is a kampf like cap dump then I would like us to get Schenn’s replacement asap.

Really sucks we started playing so well. History has tons of cases where teams have lost integral members and done well. Imma stay on team playoffs despite the Parayko injury and possible Schenn trade headwinds. We might suck but we were smothering great teams. I don’t have high regards for our wildcard competitors. Then we can Marner in the offseason.
 
For all the posters chanting to trade Schenn, I want to know what your plan is for next year to backfill his role?

Not trying to be combative, just genuinely curious what the opportunity cost is for that cohort. Who slots in where, what are the moving pieces, at what cost, and does it make us better positioned to take that next stepin2025-26?
 
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ds774622 said:
For all the posters chanting to trade Schenn, I want to know what your plan is for next year to backfill his role?

Not trying to be combative, just genuinely curious what the opportunity cost is for that cohort. Who slots in where, what are the moving pieces, at what cost, and does it make us better positioned to take that next stepin2025-26?
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We can target Middlestadt, McLeod (my pick), Geekie, maybe Rossi. If we had some emergency we could Kadri probably - if we wanted a straight Schenn replacement.

Our gm asst drafted McLeod, he’s a pending rfa in a market that players hate and he just got there. He was Holloways primary partner in edmontons cup final series with Florida and they did well. Who wouldn’t want to play with Holloway again. He didn’t extend in Bufallo. He held out in the Ohl refusing to play for a team that drafted him, he took Edmonton to arb... if the dude wants out of Bufallo then he’s getting out of Bufallo.

If he goes to arb with Bufallo he will be a ufa after the deal. They don’t want this. The player can force this outcome, entirely in their control once they’re qualified.

I think we would want a middle 6 center who we then grow with. So somebody like above 22, under 26 and with a contract situation where we can negotiate some term. I’d personally prefer if the cheapest one was also the best one. Sabres have minimal leverage rn.
 
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ds774622 said:
For all the posters chanting to trade Schenn, I want to know what your plan is for next year to backfill his role?

Not trying to be combative, just genuinely curious what the opportunity cost is for that cohort. Who slots in where, what are the moving pieces, at what cost, and does it make us better positioned to take that next stepin2025-26?
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We would have so many options its of zero worry. We could bring in a Vet C on a short term deal. We could utilize resources and trade for another prospect that is a young emerging C, and let him and Dvo battle for it. Lots of ways to fill the hole, when at worst, you only need a boarderline 2/3c to bridge the gap to Dvo.
 
StlBigFly said:
We can target Middlestadt, McLeod (my pick), Geekie, maybe Rossi. If we had some emergency we could Kadri probably - if we wanted a straight Schenn replacement.

Our gm asst drafted McLeod, he’s a pending rfa in a market that players hate and he just got there. He was Holloways primary partner in edmontons cup final series with Florida and they did well. Who wouldn’t want to play with Holloway again. He didn’t extend in Bufallo. He held out in the Ohl refusing to play for a team that drafted him, he took Edmonton to arb... if the dude wants out of Bufallo then he’s getting out of Bufallo.

If he goes to arb with Bufallo he will be a ufa after the deal. They don’t want this. The player can force this outcome, entirely in their control once they’re qualified.

I think we would want a middle 6 center who we then grow with. So somebody like above 22, under 26 and with a contract situation where we can negotiate some term. I’d personally prefer if the cheapest one was also the best one. Sabres have minimal leverage rn.
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Three of those guys are gonna be expensive and the 4th (Middelstadt) I don't want. Besides, do you expect Minnesota or Colorado to trade him or Rossi within the division? I think a lot of people are underestimating how hard it would be to find an adequate 2C to replace Schenn.
 
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I'm not at all in the "trade Schenn" camp (a lot of has to do w/ my opinion that reality says Armstrong is not in the mindset to make the team worse) but I admit some of these prices that sellers are getting are compelling.
 
Reality Czech said:
Three of those guys are gonna be expensive and the 4th (Middelstadt) I don't want. Besides, do you expect Minnesota or Colorado to trade him or Rossi within the division? I think a lot of people are underestimating how hard it would be to find an adequate 2C to replace Schenn.
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I wonder what the situation looks like from the perspective of subtracting the center cost from the Schenn trade reward. Perhaps our cost from this moment is not that great if the return were healthy. Maybe a few deckchairs move and we end up with about the same number of them.
 
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If you can legitimately get Toronto to pay 1st+Cowan or Cowan+Minten/Danford, take the deal. If Winnipeg gets involved, there is a bunch there that I would also accept, so hopefully there is some sort of bidding between them today.

Part of it is just loading up on assets to make moves at the draft or over the summer.
 
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StlBigFly said:
I wonder what the situation looks like from the perspective of subtracting the center cost from the Schenn trade reward. Perhaps our cost from this moment is not that great if the return were healthy. Maybe a few deckchairs move and we end up with about the same number of them.
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Perhaps that would be more palatable. Let's not forget that Schenn has to approve any trade. So while I'm sure there are some places he'd been more willing to go to than others. That would limit the number of possible deals to be made.
 
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Carolina, Dallas have framework for Mikko Rantanen trade

I think this makes sense, hold firm till the end, and see if Toronto gets desperate. It's not the end of the world if we don't move him, but we should consider whatever Toronto's best offer is. On some level, they must be willing to move at least 1 of the rumored pieces, and 2 isn't so unreasonable that they told us to never contact them again.

• Toronto. The Maple Leafs aren’t sure they want to go where St. Louis wishes for Brayden Schenn. Possible they pivot back to Scott Laughton. They are also considering defensive help and may have to move money out to make it all work.
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TheOrganist said:
Does Toronto have the cap to make it work w/ Schenn for future years to budget for both him AND an extension for Marner?
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Knies is mentioned due to this. Perhaps not to us, but what they would have to do. I’m not sure what Toronto is doing with Tavares. You’d think they’d really like to know the number for him
 
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Does Toronto have the cap to make it work w/ Schenn for future years to budget for both him AND an extension for Marner?
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To even make it work this year, they have cut salary, I think Domi is a likely cap dump. They should be fine for future years with increase in cap and a Tavares pay cut.
 
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Knies is mentioned due to this. Perhaps not to us, but what they would have to do. I’m not sure what Toronto is doing with Tavares. You’d think they’d really like to know the number for him
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I can't imagine they would move Knies. I would imagine Schenn would just replace Tavares and he wouldn't be re-signed.

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To even make it work this year, they have cut salary, I think Domi is a likely cap dump. They should be fine for future years with increase in cap and a Tavares pay cut.
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Ya, that makes sense for this year...was just curious about the following years. Thx.
 
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