2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

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I can't imagine they would move Knies. I would imagine Schenn would just replace Tavares and he wouldn't be re-signed.


Ya, that makes sense for this year...was just curious about the following years. Thx.
And how much of a raise does Marner even get? That's the sort of benefit of them overpaying him like they did. He's already essentially at 11M. Even if they pay him top dollar, they are looking at 13M? Keeping Marner isn't the issue, their issue is finding a way to build a complete team with Matthews, Nylander, and Marner on big deals.
 
To even make it work this year, they have cut salary, I think Domi is a likely cap dump. They should be fine for future years with increase in cap and a Tavares pay cut.

Domi would not only be a capdump, but also someone who can take Schenn's spot for the rest of the season so we at least don't have to acquire a C from somewhere else or play Buch/Holloway as 2C. It's not ideal, but it's a temporary solution.

I can see a potential framework:
Schenn + Toropchenko + prospect (Buchinger?) for Domi + Reaves (mentor for the kids in Springfield, ala Thorburn) + Cowan + 2 out of: 1st/Minten/Danford

Then potentially flip some assets for a young RD.
 
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Schenn + Toropchenko + prospect (Buchinger?) for Domi + Reaves (mentor for the kids in Springfield, ala Thorburn) + Cowan + 2 out of: 1st/Minten/Danford
I would go for this trade. That's alot to give up if your Toronto but they are feeling alot of pressure to get a trade done, add toughness and go past the first round in the playoffs. Will this free up enough cap space for them to pull the trigger?
 
We would have so many options its of zero worry. We could bring in a Vet C on a short term deal. We could utilize resources and trade for another prospect that is a young emerging C, and let him and Dvo battle for it. Lots of ways to fill the hole, when at worst, you only need a boarderline 2/3c to bridge the gap to Dvo.
You’re making this sound way easier than it is. Apparently we will have zero issues bringing in two middle 6 centers, yet we couldn’t even bring in one this past offseason? There might be options but every NHL team wants to be strong down the middle so we’re going to have to outbid for both free agents and trade targets. And we don’t even know how Dvorsky will look at center next season.

To brush it off as “zero worry” is fairly ridiculous.
 
For all the posters chanting to trade Schenn, I want to know what your plan is for next year to backfill his role?

Not trying to be combative, just genuinely curious what the opportunity cost is for that cohort. Who slots in where, what are the moving pieces, at what cost, and does it make us better positioned to take that next stepin2025-26?

We have plenty of assets to acquire another center who fits in with this core.
 
You’re making this sound way easier than it is. Apparently we will have zero issues bringing in two middle 6 centers, yet we couldn’t even bring in one this past offseason? There might be options but every NHL team wants to be strong down the middle so we’re going to have to outbid for both free agents and trade targets. And we don’t even know how Dvorsky will look at center next season.

To brush it off as “zero worry” is fairly ridiculous.
Right, we might have cap space to work with, but so does every other team, and all the free agents will want more money because of it. And then there is always the term aspect. Sure, we can offer Bennett a contract like how we wanted Stephenson, but some team like Seattle did with Stephenson will probably offer stupid term.
 
You’re making this sound way easier than it is. Apparently we will have zero issues bringing in two middle 6 centers, yet we couldn’t even bring in one this past offseason? There might be options but every NHL team wants to be strong down the middle so we’re going to have to outbid for both free agents and trade targets. And we don’t even know how Dvorsky will look at center next season.

To brush it off as “zero worry” is fairly ridiculous.
We're on different timelines.

Some here are of the mindset its playoffs or bust this year and next. They want a team that can atleast make the playoffs.

Contrastingly, I want to build a team that can not only make the playoffs, but more importantly, WIN in the playoffs. A team that will go on a 7, 8, hell 10 straight years of making the playoffs and go in at the 2-6 seed most years.

Finding a 2C is of zero worry because i operate from a mindset of delayed gratification. Im playing for the 26-27 season and beyond. Now in a world of people who want to take a pill and fix things over-night, this will be painful. But if we play for the correct timeline, we can continue building and have a full year and a half to figure things out. Plenty of middle 6 Cs will be available in that timeframe, and we will have more than enough assets to start moving some out.
 
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Leafs bros are under the impression that they are getting Brayden Schenn. That sounds crazy as hell to me

Leafs bros are always under the assumption that they are getting everyone they want. It could definitely happen but would be pretty surprising IMO

Apparently, Brian Burke said Schenn to Toronto was just finalized. Another poster mentioned they heard him say so on the radio in another thread. So there may be reason for Leafs Bros to believe that.
 
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Calm before the Storm? Would have expected some move any move by now…..
 
Apparently, Brian Burke said Schenn to Toronto was just finalized. Another poster mentioned they heard him say so on the radio in another thread. So there may be reason for Leafs Bros to believe that.
I saw that but still remain skeptical, once I see an actual source reporting it I will start to believe.
 
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We can target Middlestadt, McLeod (my pick), Geekie, maybe Rossi. If we had some emergency we could Kadri probably - if we wanted a straight Schenn replacement.

Our gm asst drafted McLeod, he’s a pending rfa in a market that players hate and he just got there. He was Holloways primary partner in edmontons cup final series with Florida and they did well. Who wouldn’t want to play with Holloway again. He didn’t extend in Bufallo. He held out in the Ohl refusing to play for a team that drafted him, he took Edmonton to arb... if the dude wants out of Bufallo then he’s getting out of Bufallo.

If he goes to arb with Bufallo he will be a ufa after the deal. They don’t want this. The player can force this outcome, entirely in their control once they’re qualified.

I think we would want a middle 6 center who we then grow with. So somebody like above 22, under 26 and with a contract situation where we can negotiate some term. I’d personally prefer if the cheapest one was also the best one. Sabres have minimal leverage rn.

I think the overarching principle here for a GM is to make the team better. Whether that's tanking in the short-term to get a better draft pick and then doing business this summer, or making a hockey trade now/summer, the goal is to be better next year.

Relative to Schenn, Middlestadt's cap is smaller but his stats are worse (he seems to alternate good years and bad years), with one less year on his deal. Given the assets acquired for Schenn and the cost for Middlestadt, it's at best a lateral move. Rossi is in-division and I'd argue not a viable option. Trading for Geekie would cost more than Schenn. Viable option, but what are you giving up to pry Geekie away.

Same with UFA's over the summer like Bennett. Those contracts are going to be well over Schenn's $6.5M. Definite upgrade but are we willing to pay?
We would have so many options its of zero worry. We could bring in a Vet C on a short term deal. We could utilize resources and trade for another prospect that is a young emerging C, and let him and Dvo battle for it. Lots of ways to fill the hole, when at worst, you only need a boarderline 2/3c to bridge the gap to Dvo.

What veteran center? Another reclamation project? No thanks.
What resources are you giving up? Are you dumping Kyrou and picks trading from one area of strength for an area of need down the middle? Then how is Kyrou's production being backfilled? Not so simple.

We have plenty of assets to acquire another center who fits in with this core.

Who? We see the prices that Nelson, Frederic, and Gourde are fetching? Are you replacing Schenn with Donato, Cozens, Laughton, Middlestadt? Are those lateral (or worse), or do they improve on what Schenn brings to the table? You giving up the farm for a promising prospect?
 
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A few hours from the deadline and I still genuinely have no clue what the Blues will do. And I genuinely buy into compelling arguments in multiple different directions

I could see us selling a guy like Schenn if the haul is right. I could see us selling Faksa/Suter for modest returns. I could also see us making a blockbuster non-rental for non-rental deal. I could see us paying a futures haul for an early-mid 20s player with term. I could see us doing a combination of these things. I could see us simply acting as a retention broker for mid-late picks. And I could even see us doing absolutely nothing and circling back at the draft.

I can't remember a time where I was this uncertain about how our deadline will shake out on the day of the deadline.
 
Gotta sell on Schenn if the Nelson return is any indication of what #10 can bring back.

Army/Steen would be fools to ride that contract for three more years. Get out while the getting is (very) good.
Contract/term aside, I would love see an honest poll of NHL GMs about there opinions of Nelson vs Schenn. I think that Nelson is pretty clearly a better on-ice player. He's outscored Schenn by 10+ points and 10+ goals in each of the last 2 seasons. He's up on Schenn by 8 goals and 5 points this season, plays against harder competition, is a better skater, and is better defensively. Schenn is more physical and has the 'intangibles.'

I think that Nelson would likely be viewed as the better player today and (IMO) is the clear choice if you were acquiring a guy to be a 2C (which is what Colorado did). But I do see an argument that Schenn would be a better fit to slide in as your 3C. Then you have the contractual differences to further impact trade valuation differences.
 
Has there been any more smoke on Dobson from NYI? What are the chances DA makes a big splash to help us down the stretch with Colt being out?
No smoke, but a Dobson acquisition would certainly make sense from our perspective. I'm still incredibly nervous about how much a potential extension could blow up in our faces and/or the possibility that he has his heart set to go UFA in the summer of 2026. He's obviously not a rental, but he also might not be here long term.

From our perspective he makes sense as a deadline add and for the future. His strengths don't offer a replacement for Parayko's skillset in the short term. But he would still very much improve the blue line as it exists today and his strengths do fit with our overall needs. He gives us a better chance of continuing this playoff push (and hopefully getting Parayko back for round 1 if we get there) and then he could be a long-term top 4 RHD that QBs our top PP unit. From the Isles standpoint, they just sold Nelson for pure futures, so I see some merit to the notion that they have accepted a retool/rebuild instead of demanding pure hockey returns.

I'd be pretty damn interested if the Isles are looking to deal him for a haul of pure futures.

I think this year's 1st (top-whatever protected) and Jiricek makes sense as the core for such a deal. Those are 2 pieces that I view as expendable for a non-rental acquisition of Dobson's profile, but they both have real value as assets. That 1st rounder would likely be in the 10-20 range. I think our 1st is clearly more desirable than the 2025 1sts held by other likely buyers and I'd wager it is more desireable than getting a future 1st. The 1st they got for Nelson is either a 2026 or a 2027, so I think it would make sense for them to prioritize getting a (likely) mid-2025 1st (that could potentially become a 2026) instead of getting another 1st in a future draft. Jiricek is a good fit for them too. He is the same position/handedness of Dobson and they currently don't have a RHD prospect of note in their pool. A quality RHD prospect is a very tangible need for them organizationally and while Jiricek's value has likely decreased since the draft, I'd wager that he is still viewed as a 1st round talent with high upside. He is a longer-term project, but his potential NHL timeline is probably no further away than a 2026 1st rounder.

If I were the Isles, I'd value the Blues 2025 1st and Jiricek more highly than a 2025 1st and a future 1st round pick from any team currently sitting ahead of us in the standings. Don't get me wrong, I assume we'd have to add to those two. They shouldn't be moving him for just two assets that are 'worth a 1st.' I'm not sure how large the add would need to be, but I think that building a package around those two assets make a lot of sense for both teams.

I'd be thrilled if Army were offering our 2025 1st, Jiricek, and Dean for Dobson. Maybe throw in Texier to get his cap off the books since we would have to give Dobson a large raise. I doubt that gets it done, but that is a good chunk of value for a guy who might be a UFA in 16 months. I think the value offered there is at least enough to demonstrate that we are serious and keep communication open about swapping/adding pieces to make a deal work.
 
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I'm glad I'm not Armstrong today. The Blues have played so well since the 4 Nations break that normally I'd say they've earned the right to make a run. I don't think you need to have a Cup or bust mentality all the time. There's value in meaningful games down the stretch, and a lot of value in giving your young players a chance to see what playoff intensity is all about. The Capitals players have mentioned multiple times that making the playoffs last year, even with getting swept, was invaluable to their growth. With the way we've been playing and Binny being nails as any goalie has ever been for the Blues, why not have some hope??

The Parayko injury news last night now makes this decision so cloudy. I have my gripes with Parayko, but he plays a huge role on this team and is having a career year. The fact that we don't even get to see how we'd play a game without him is a shame - I'd almost rather have this news after the deadline then before.

I don't begrudge Army having to make these types of choices today. How can you ask your guys to play hard and earn it, they respond, and then pull the rug out from under them? There's no replacing what Schenn brings internally, and I think most of us felt that if we were going to buy, a guy to replace/displace Sunny was the best use of assets, as he's clearly the weakest link in our top 9. You take away Schenn and Parayko, and this team is pretty much DOA. Yet with the prices being thrown about the league for some of these guys, how do you not pounce on that value, even if that means your season is over?

I am in agony today. I don't know what direction we're going to go, and I frankly don't know what direction I even WANT us to go. These last two to three weeks have been some of the most fun of the season, and I don't want that to end. I went from falling asleep during games with Bannister to now being fully engaged and yelling/cheering at my TV regularly. Cowan + 2026 1st doesn't really get me excited. Yet keeping Schenn and then flaming out hard b/c Parayko really was the glue that held it all together is going to be such a kick in the dick.

The one thing I will say is that Centers are very very hard to come by. Schenn isn't perfect, but we can't just expect Dvo to step in and lock down even 3C next year, much less 2C. A week ago I was floating the idea of grabbing a Duchene or Tavares in UFA for some obscene AAV on a short term deal to help push Schenn down and give Dvo a smoother transition. If we move Schenn, now we need to potentially find two Centers.
 
The more chips we have, the easier it becomes to add players when we need them. Thats why asset accumulation is so important. Collect assets and cash them in when the time is right.

DA has shown the ability to add the ROR, Schenn, Bouwmeester, hell even the Bozaks when the correct time arises. The more assets you have in the bank, the more likely you can pull these deals. Cashing in on these prices is what we should do.
 

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