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Blue Jays GDT: 2023 v9 | Thu, Aug 24 | @ BAL | 7:00pm ET/4:00pm PT | Berrios vs Gibson

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Cloned said:
Can’t trust Atkins to take this team to the next level anymore. He’s dismantled a promising roster and the team isn’t clearly better year over year. He’s never come close to building a balanced roster. Always a major hole somewhere.
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The only hole on this team is that the roster with the 5th-best OPS+ in MLB has this weird thing happening with RISP.
 
This team blows lately. Fire the hitting coach FFS. Their approach has been embarrassingly bad lately. We’re honestly going to get a split against a crap team like this… going in you’d expect at bare minimum 3 outta 4
 
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MS said:
The only hole on this team is that the roster with the 5th-best OPS+ in MLB has this weird thing happening with RISP.
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And he hasn’t done a thing all season to address it.

Candelario was available and would’ve helped, for example.

Or make a change with hitting coaches.

The biggest issue with Atkins is that he settles for “good enough.” I don’t know if that’s a mantra holdover from his Cleveland days with a smaller budget team but it’s an issue right now.
 
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It’s just unacceptable… it was even mentioned on tv the last few days. These guys have to have a better approach on the first pitch. Vladdy the other night less than 2 outs and he hacks at a slider off the plate… the mindset and approach has to change.
 
finally some runs... they can't stop now, have to at least tie it.
 
Even if/when the bats pick up, does anyone trust the pitching staff to carry their dominance into the postseason? Or even the defense?
 
leafsfan2point0 said:
That’s what I was thinking too.. the same dude who eavesdropped on their conversation and threw Walker out..
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Yeah, and tossing Springer had similar looking vibes to the Walker ejection from what I could see. Springer doesn't like the strike (not without reason) and says something as he walks away. Then he turns away and keeps walking and seems to be talking mostly to himself as the ump simply continues to stare at him as if he's waiting for something actionable. It's like he decided he wanted to toss George in the first few moments of the argument and was just waiting for something that he could use as sufficient cause. Big time "I'm gonna make this about me." energy.
 
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This Blue Jays team is something special man. In my 30+ years of watching baseball I have never seen a team choke this often when it comes to having the bases loaded with less then 2 outs and not cash in anything.
 
This team is so predictable in those situations. And also this feel good story with Schneider is over. Looks completely overmatched on fastballs. He’s whiffed about 7-8 times in this series

mikeyz said:
This Blue Jays team is something special man. In my 30+ years of watching baseball I have never seen a team choke this often when it comes to having the bases loaded with less than 2 outs and not cash in anything.
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It’s not even just about the bases being loaded, although you make a great point. This team just refuses to sacrifice and hit a fly ball. They want to mash it every time…. f*** Kirk man this dude is hot trash. Lose some weight fatty. Also send Schneider down. Feel good story, happy for him, but dude gets lit up on fastballs
 
Can the Jays afford to carry the extra baggage, named Manoah
 
Cloned said:
And he hasn’t done a thing all season to address it.

Candelario was available and would’ve helped, for example.

Or make a change with hitting coaches.

The biggest issue with Atkins is that he settles for “good enough.” I don’t know if that’s a mantra holdover from his Cleveland days with a smaller budget team but it’s an issue right now.
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How do you make moves to address RISP?

They have quality hitters at basically every position (save Varsho's bad year) who overall have some of the best metrics in MLB but the clutch hitting (which history tells us is basically mostly chance/luck) has been brutal. All of these guys have hit with RISP in the past.

They've made 1-2 big moves every year for the past couple years.
 
It's incredible that the first 4 batters of the lineup have 13 hits (3 double) and 1 BB cumulated in the last 2 games and the team scored only 4 runs total. Yikkies. It almost looks like it's done on purpose at this point lol
 
Man, that ejection is huge. Instead of their hottest hitter in Springer hitting 3rd this inning it's DeJong and the bench is used up.

And that's on top of Springer striking out on ball 3 with a runner on 2nd.

f*** off, umps.

... and another pitch well off the plate called a strike, too. Can't wait to see the ump scorecard on this one.
 
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How do you make moves to address RISP?

They have quality hitters at basically every position (save Varsho's bad year) who overall have some of the best metrics in MLB but the clutch hitting (which history tells us is basically mostly chance/luck) has been brutal. All of these guys have hit with RISP in the past.

They've made 1-2 big moves every year for the past couple years.
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Yeah, this is the thing. There has been a ton of research into it and absolutely no evidence found to support the idea that "clutch" or RISP hitting is a repeatable, identifiable, selectable skill. The best you can hope for is that you assemble a team full of quality hitters (which, for the most part they did given that the team ranks reasonably highly in most offensive stats) and figure that good hitters will hit well in all situations.

The problem is that the fact RISP hitting isn't repeatable means that you're gonna have times where good hitters have crap RISP/clutch hitting years. It's just weird that it's all happening at once this season.

And to wit:

Vlad this season:
all situations: batting .267, OPSing .786
RISP: batting .288, OPSing .766

Vlad career:
all situations: .281, OPSing .848
RISP: .283, OPSING .931

So he's actually doing better on average while seeing his OPS dip mostly on account of a RISP power outage. But for his career his RISP #s are overall better than his career than his all-situations ones. By most definitions of how people use the term, Vladdy should qualify as a good clutch hitter. But that's not the case because people will rely on anecdotal evidence and the recency of his struggles this season.
 
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