atreyuavenged
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Wouldn't be surprised to see Kiermaier go to the Yankees for far too much and far too long and fall off a cliff.
People keep saying unexpected struggles at the plate. Some people expected it, predicted it.
And then Atkins sat back the entire season without doing a single thing about it. Except calling up the young guys…
…who Schneider didn’t play at all down the stretch and into the playoffs. lol.
What a clusterf*** of a season.
That’s ok. Just slide Varsho to CF and find a good hitting LF.Wouldn't be surprised to see Kiermaier go to the Yankees for far too much and far too long and fall off a cliff.
You expected and predicted what happened with Guerrero and Kirk? Really?
I don’t recall saying the worst offense ever. I recall saying that losing over 100 RBI without properly replacing it was going to be a problem. I said they might need another power bat. I was told they had plenty of power.You expected and predicted what happened with Guerrero and Kirk? Really?
You expected that the team would have a weird RISP thing relative to their pretty solid overall numbers?
They were 9th in MLB out of 30 teams in OPS+. The 'WORST OFFENSE EVER' reactions are so over the top.
The Mets and Padres had clusterf*** seasons. 89 wins and making the playoffs isn't a clusterf***, in any sense.
And if you're George Springer, the manager will keep playing you when you're 0-30. When you're Davis Schneider ... not so much.
I don’t recall saying the worst offense ever. I recall saying that losing over 100 RBI without properly replacing it was going to be a problem. I said they might need another power bat. I was told they had plenty of power.
It’s OK to say Atkins screwed up. He’s not Mike Gillis. He’s not even Brian Burke. He’s Kevin Cheveldayoff without the small payroll excuses.
Kirk fell off a cliff with the bat post ASB last year, so this season shouldn't have been a complete shock. The power is seemingly gone for now.
60 RBI isn’t nothing though. That would’ve pushed the run differential over 130 and more in line with the actual contenders this season.They pretty clearly made mistakes.
But it wasn't a 'clusterf***'. Like, this sort of crazy overreaction does nothing to promote intelligent discussion.
Lost 100 RBI?
They replaced Teoscar (77), Gurriel (52), and Tapia (52) with Varsho (74), Kiermaier (22 in a half season) and Belt (23 in a half season). That's 60 RBI and it's mostly because two of the guys they signed were hurt.
They pretty clearly made mistakes.
But it wasn't a 'clusterf***'. Like, this sort of crazy overreaction does nothing to promote intelligent discussion.
Lost 100 RBI?
They replaced Teoscar (77), Gurriel (52), and Tapia (52) with Varsho (74), Kiermaier (22 in a half season) and Belt (23 in a half season). That's 60 RBI and it's mostly because two of the guys they signed were hurt.
60 RBI isn’t nothing though. That would’ve pushed the run differential over 130 and more in line with the actual contenders this season.
It was a clusterf***.
They were expected to contend for the division and they got passed by a Baltimore team that they owned last season. Atkins gambled and lost. He should lose his job over it. That’s not a controversial statement IMO.
Teoscar and Gurriel were both injured last year too.
Doesn't help that he's 5 foot nothing and probably 250+.
Atkins built a mid team. You can say the offense underperformed, but the pitching overperformed too. They finished probably right where they should’ve given the roster.But it isn't even 60 RBI. Once you adjust for injuries it's maybe 20 or 30, in exchange for a massive defensive improvement.
People were hoping for 95 wins and they finished with 89 and made the playoffs. Defense was the best in baseball, pitching was #7 FIP/#2 ERA, and the hitters were #9 in OPS+ but had the weird RISP thing happen. f*** me, people are spoiled. The Mets are a clusterf***. This was a 'mildly disappointing regular season'.
I would be firing Atkins right now, but not for the moves he made. I'd be firing him because I think that pitching decision in Game 2 was an absolute disaster and it pretty clearly falls on him, and I don't think you can move forward with trust from players/coaches in management after a f***up that bad. It made the whole team look like a laughingstock and a disjointed mess.
Not to the same extent. Both had ~500 PA while Kiermaier had 200 and Belt 250.
Atkins built a mid team. You can say the offense underperformed, but the pitching overperformed too. They finished probably right where they should’ve given the roster.
It’s not good enough. This isn’t Year 1.
The bad decision in game was just the cherry on top of this clusterf***.
You think Atkins made the decision to pull Berrios?But it isn't even 60 RBI. Once you adjust for injuries it's maybe 20 or 30, in exchange for a massive defensive improvement.
People were hoping for 95 wins and they finished with 89 and made the playoffs. Defense was the best in baseball, pitching was #7 FIP/#2 ERA, and the hitters were #9 in OPS+ but had the weird RISP thing happen. f*** me, people are spoiled. The Mets are a clusterf***. This was a 'mildly disappointing regular season'.
I would be firing Atkins right now, but not for the moves he made. I'd be firing him because I think that pitching decision in Game 2 was an absolute disaster and it pretty clearly falls on him, and I don't think you can move forward with trust from players/coaches in management after a f***up that bad. It made the whole team look like a laughingstock and a disjointed mess.
Not to the same extent. Both had ~500 PA while Kiermaier had 200 and Belt 250.
You think Atkins made the decision to pull Berrios?
No doubt they had multiple scenarios planned ahead of time like any team would. But there is no way on earth it wasn’t Schneiders final call on that considering how great Berrios was pitching.Merrifield talked about the decision being 'taken out of the manager's hands' and Schneider talked about 'needing to trust the team you work with'.
I don't think he phoned the dugout and told Schneider to take Berrios out - it would have been done in a planning meeting with management/coaches/numbers guys - but he is the guy responsible for a decision-making process that forced the manager to make an absolutely f***ing awful move.
No doubt they had multiple scenarios planned ahead of time like any team would. But there is no way on earth it wasn’t Schneiders final call on that considering how great Berrios was pitching.
Well if Wilner said it……I just have a hard time believing Schneider and Mattingly couldn’t figure it out and leave him in. I mean if he was ok through 3 innings and the plan was to pull him, so be it, but he was dealing.I don't think it was. His reaction certainly didn't seem to indicate that it was, nor did Merrifield's comments. Guys like Wilmer have also said there was no way that Schneider made that call.
In fairness I still think Tampa has the crown for pulling a pitcher in a pivotal game.But it isn't even 60 RBI. Once you adjust for injuries it's maybe 20 or 30, in exchange for a massive defensive improvement.
People were hoping for 95 wins and they finished with 89 and made the playoffs. Defense was the best in baseball, pitching was #7 FIP/#2 ERA, and the hitters were #9 in OPS+ but had the weird RISP thing happen. f*** me, people are spoiled. The Mets are a clusterf***. This was a 'mildly disappointing regular season'.
I would be firing Atkins right now, but not for the moves he made. I'd be firing him because I think that pitching decision in Game 2 was an absolute disaster and it pretty clearly falls on him, and I don't think you can move forward with trust from players/coaches in management after a f***up that bad. It made the whole team look like a laughingstock and a disjointed mess.
Not to the same extent. Both had ~500 PA while Kiermaier had 200 and Belt 250.