He was really bad last year with the giants, it was either a down year or hes in a decline. I just hope hes not gifted a DH spot over kirk regularly.
Blue Jays GDT: 2023 v1 | Fri, Apr 7 | @ LAA | 9:30pm ET/6:30pm PT | Bassitt vs Sandoval
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He was really bad last year with the giants, it was either a down year or hes in a decline. I just hope hes not gifted a DH spot over kirk regularly.
I thought the Jays would have an excellent start to the year. Obviously, it's still very early though.
The pitching has been bad and the bats are getting weak contact. Can't get much worse.
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oh no. This could just be the start of a very bad season. Personally I don’t and have never seen the value in this starting rotation outside of Gausman and Manoah. They are actually major league starters.
Bassitt, Berrios and Kikuchi are simply bullpen fodder at this stage of their careers.
Personally I don’t see the harm in calling up Pearson or Tiedemann when healthy. For god sakes find some starters who can throw the ball with some velocity.
Unloading those horrendous contracts is going to be nearly impossible.
A big flaw of the current management has been a failure to develop pitchers. They have Manoah and that's about it. Although, quite a few pitchers made positive strides last year in the farm system. For me, the biggest question mark of this team was the rotation. Gausman and Manoah are fine. However, can Bassitt pitch in the AL East, and can Berrios and Kikuchi bounce back? If those three can't do it then the team is screwed. Pearson likely will be up soon but he doesn't solve the rotation problem. Tiedemann still needs time to get healthy and also throw in the minors. The team would be months away from any help. Even if he does get healthy not too confident in Ryu either.
Bassitt had a tough assignment with the Cards and it's one game. Berrios has a track record of pitching poorly and he had a fairly easier assignment against an offensively inept Royals team.
Belt is a short term signing just to give them another wrinkle to the lineup. He was coming off a combination of a knee injury and a alleged pretty significant bout with COVID. To be honest, i didn't have super high hopes for it but i'm also not angry either. It's a one year deal that might not pan out. Shit happens.
The pitching while not sky is falling yet definitely didn't inspire confidence thus far;
Manoah - I probably shouldn't be concerned given his body of work thus far in his career but man he looked seriously off with the pitch clock. Maybe i'm too used to Manoah being basically a guaranteed quality start
Gausman - looked like himself. Only problem is we were reminded of the deal with the devil he signed to have that huge 2021 which now results in him getting perpetually hosed via BABIP every start. I recommend a shaman/witch doctor to lift the curse otherwise no complaints.
Bassitt - There was a couple concerning things coming into the season in terms of Bassitt relying heavily on groundball outs, the shift making that harder and him not being able to take 45 minutes between pitches anymore. There was apparently confusion in his start as he was unaware he could actually use the pitchcom to call the game as opposed to Jansen doing it. Could be just a simple communication snag that will assuredly be fixed by his next start. Velocity drop he showed is the really concerning thing and we have to hope that isn't a trend going forward. Allow him to call it and see what happens.
Berrios - A lot to say here. none of it good. I was absolutely a Berrios sympathizer last year constantly going with the logic of "this dude was really good before coming to Toronto, he'll figure it out." He got mashed in a game in the WBC which people defended with "well that was an all-star lineup he faced" Which is true. Even top flight starters like Alcantara got mashed in that tourney so again, fine.
Now though? He looks lost as ever. Trying to nibble the corners and largely missing because he has no confidence in his fastball. His fastball is either flat movement wise, or he is seriously tipping his pitches or something. There's no logical reason as to how an all-star level pitcher just falls apart without either serious mechanical decline or natural factors like age. Same exact story this year except he won't be able to hide behind the "yes well only a handful of his starts where horrible"
When he misses, it gets hit and *hard* because he doesn't have the velocity to not worry about location as much like the Hunter Greenes of the world.
Kikuchi: If this guy ends up as our third best starter i'm going to vomit and it probably won't be related to the presumed case of COVID i have
The pitching while not sky is falling yet definitely didn't inspire confidence thus far;
Manoah - I probably shouldn't be concerned given his body of work thus far in his career but man he looked seriously off with the pitch clock. Maybe i'm too used to Manoah being basically a guaranteed quality start
Gausman - looked like himself. Only problem is we were reminded of the deal with the devil he signed to have that huge 2021 which now results in him getting perpetually hosed via BABIP every start. I recommend a shaman/witch doctor to lift the curse otherwise no complaints.
Bassitt - There was a couple concerning things coming into the season in terms of Bassitt relying heavily on groundball outs, the shift making that harder and him not being able to take 45 minutes between pitches anymore. There was apparently confusion in his start as he was unaware he could actually use the pitchcom to call the game as opposed to Jansen doing it. Could be just a simple communication snag that will assuredly be fixed by his next start. Velocity drop he showed is the really concerning thing and we have to hope that isn't a trend going forward. Allow him to call it and see what happens.
Berrios - A lot to say here. none of it good. I was absolutely a Berrios sympathizer last year constantly going with the logic of "this dude was really good before coming to Toronto, he'll figure it out." He got mashed in a game in the WBC which people defended with "well that was an all-star lineup he faced" Which is true. Even top flight starters like Alcantara got mashed in that tourney so again, fine.
Now though? He looks lost as ever. Trying to nibble the corners and largely missing because he has no confidence in his fastball. His fastball is either flat movement wise, or he is seriously tipping his pitches or something. There's no logical reason as to how an all-star level pitcher just falls apart without either serious mechanical decline or natural factors like age. Same exact story this year except he won't be able to hide behind the "yes well only a handful of his starts where horrible"
When he misses, it gets hit and *hard* because he doesn't have the velocity to not worry about location as much like the Hunter Greenes of the world.
Kikuchi: If this guy ends up as our third best starter i'm going to vomit and it probably won't be related to the presumed case of COVID i have
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Anyone that saw this collapse in Berrios when the Jays acquired him is full of sh$t.
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So think AI takes over balls-and-strikes?
Weird to see the exact same pitch be both 3 inches off the plate and a strike within the same inning.
Weird to see the exact same pitch be both 3 inches off the plate and a strike within the same inning.
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As frustrating as it has been (and believe me, im every bit as frustrated as you) having a rotation of 10+ ERA is not sustainable lol. I do like the overall quality of AB's I have seen and the defense has looked improved overall save for the errors (which are unavoidable). But man its so deflating when you are down multiple runs before you even get out of the 1st inning.
Berrios was ok in his first 12 starts in 2021.
It was his collapse last season that was so troubling and obviously it hasn’t gotten any better. The problem is either a lingering injury thats bothering him or it’s the pitching coaches and or catchers screwing around with his pitch selection and/or delivery.
The reason I was never confident in Berrios was because he was another junk ball pitcher who relied heavily on his location and pitch selection to succeed. The current coaching staff hasn't had any success with these guys. In addition to that finesse type pitchers must rely more on guile and adaptation because as scouting reports become more detailed and hitters get more exposure they will inevitably adapt to that pitcher. If he becomes predictable then they will start guessing right and hammer him. People forget that pitchers and Catchers are a tandem. If you change the catcher then it can cause serious disruption. That’s why changing teams can be a disaster for finesse pitchers.
what’s the solution? Video.
The coaching staff should be forced to watch tens of hours of Berrios in Minnesota and ask that he replicate everything since they can’t seem to figure this out on their own.
if his spin rate and velocity is down then he should go for medical evaluation or strength training.
I wanted to throw my laptop at the TV every time the ump fell for Melendez' crappy frame jobs. I give our lefties a pass for last night, Singer could have grazed their ribs and it would have been a strike.
"I just want Kikuchi to be a middle of the rotation starter"
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Berrios had pitched 5 seasons before the Jays got him, it wasn’t like he was some unknown commodity. He throws mid 90’s with movement and a great curveball. It seems to be a problem with locating his pitches, although last night they were hitting balls out of the strike zone. It didn’t help that the ump was awful, it’s no excuse but it certainly doesn’t help. The fact that he had a lot of quality starts last year, doesn’t indicate it’s his stuff
I'm not one to react to small samples or change my opinion based on one or two viewings, so I don't really see any reason to think this team is going to be anything other than very, very good this year.
The only real concerning thing that I see so far is Bassitt's velocity. Manoah will be fine. Gausman looked like himself. I still think Berrios settles in and will be ok (at least he generated plenty of swing and miss yesterday). Kikuchi... I have no idea what to think there. Hopefully it goes well.
The offense has looked good (great approach, great swing decisions, solid contact) despite not being able to come up with the big hits once they get runners on, but that'll turn around. It wasn't some inherent flaw when they struggled with it for two months last year, and it sure as hell isn't through 4 games this year.
The only real concerning thing that I see so far is Bassitt's velocity. Manoah will be fine. Gausman looked like himself. I still think Berrios settles in and will be ok (at least he generated plenty of swing and miss yesterday). Kikuchi... I have no idea what to think there. Hopefully it goes well.
The offense has looked good (great approach, great swing decisions, solid contact) despite not being able to come up with the big hits once they get runners on, but that'll turn around. It wasn't some inherent flaw when they struggled with it for two months last year, and it sure as hell isn't through 4 games this year.
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Man the fanbase is in pure panic mode on social media. Ugh. So much drama being a sports fan in this city.
John Schneider says trust remains in struggling Toronto Blue Jays' rotation: 'It's early' | TSN
It hasn't been a good first week of the season for Toronto Blue Jays' starting pitchers as their combined ERA sits at 10.80 through four games. But manager John Schneider isn't losing faith in his starting five.
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It hasn't been a good first week of the season for Toronto Blue Jays' starting pitchers as their combined ERA sits at 10.80 through four games.
The latest disappointment came Monday night in Kansas City when Jose Berrios allowed seven earned runs over 5.2 innings in an eventual 9-5 loss to the Royals that dropped Toronto to 1-3 on the season. But despite the struggles, manager John Schneider isn't losing faith in his starting five.
“It’s tough to kind of crawl out of a hole every night, but we trust these guys. It’s early. The beginning of the year is tough," he said.
Alek Manoah surrendered 11 baserunners in 3.1 innings and allowed five earned runs on Opening Day. Chris Bassitt allowed four home runs and nine earned in a shade over three innings in the series finale against the St. Louis Cardinals, while Berrios got off to a miserable start in what the Blue Jays hope is a bounce-back campaign for him.
Schneider said Berrios left too many pitches over the heart of the plate Monday in his season debut.
“Good and bad. Really good innings and just pitches in the middle of the plate, which is what we’re trying to avoid," he said. “The stuff was there, but the consistency of it wasn't."
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Cautiously optimistic? Tbh he could just bring 2022 Kikuchi to the table and still be a vast improvement over 3/4 of the starts thus far.
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