GDT: 2023 Trade Deadline

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Holtz is an atrocious skater by all means.

he really is not.

I think you guys see guys like Hughes and Bratt and their top end skating/edgework and therefore anything else is "atrocious"

I wouldnt call him a GOOD skater, but I wouldnt call him a BAD skater either. Hes average.

 

[FinnishDevil]

When does the bone density analysis begin?

His bones are swiss cheese just like Nico. Better stay away.

 

[devilsblood]

Completely disagree. If there’s anything he’s shown in the NHL to this point it’s high IQ. His skating is terrible and no where near NHL average.

It certainly seems like when he has the puck on his stick, he thinks the game well enough.

 

[DerekDevils30]

28 pages. You peeps are psychos and I mean that in the nicest way possible.

 

[Unknown Caller]

It is absolutely terrible. Extremely awkward and inefficient. Stride isn’t good but then it’s even worse when he try’s to turn. Bad technique and slow foot speed.

He’s not a terrible skater by any means.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

he really is not.

I think you guys see guys like Hughes and Bratt and their top end skating/edgework and therefore anything else is "atrocious"

I wouldnt call him a GOOD skater, but I wouldnt call him a BAD skater either. Hes average.

He’s terrible. There’s no way around it. Nothing to do with Hughes and Bratt. Ty Smith is a better skater than him. At least had good technique. Holtz is sloppy and awkward and has slow feet.

He’s not a terrible skater by any means.

By every mean he is.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

He’s terrible. There’s no way around it. Nothing to do with Hughes and Bratt. Ty Smith is a better skater than him. At least had good technique. Holtz has is sloppy and awkward and has slow feet.


By every mean he is.

LOL okay man.

 

[MasterofGrond]

You heard it here folks, Holtz, the second coming of Jason Allison.

 

[devilsblood]

No, put a player suited to play with talented players for at least a few games to see what you have and to bring out the most/complement his skill set.

As for the PP, I'd have no issue going Holtz on the left side, Nico as the bumper/net front, Bratt on the right side and Dougie & Jack up top.

Dougie and Jack up top, with 2 board guys?

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Holtz is definitely not a terrible skater. Fake narrative. He has balance and strength issues. And you look slower when you’re unsure of where to go. His actual skating isn’t that bad, that is bologna.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

LOL okay man.

LOL he is. His technique is miles better.

 

[Better Call Sal]

You heard it here folks, Holtz, the second coming of Jason Allison.

He was awesome, injuries really took their toll on him.

I got to watch him play as a Portland Pirate when I was a wee lad.

 

[TF1970]

i hope mukhamadullin isn’t part of the package if this goes down. I know he can be polarizing and how everyone values him is all over the map but I have pretty high hopes on his upside. I very well may be wrong on that though obviously. Tbh I prolly rather lose any other prospect not named Hughes/Nemec looking at it right now . But again, fitzgerald deserves to be 100% trusted at this point regardless of however this ends up playing out.

 

[Unknown Caller]

Holtz is definitely not a terrible skater. Fake narrative. He has balance and strength issues. And you look slower when you’re unsure of where to go. His actual skating isn’t that bad, that is bologna.

It’s this and his IQ. He doesn’t know how to properly read the play to get himself to the right spots and it makes him look way slower than he is.

He also has mediocre hands and issues creating his own opportunities, which compounds the IQ issues.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Man this morning started off so strong with new updates left and right. Fitz taking a nice siesta I presume, hopefully things pick back up again when he gets up

 

[MB3]

holtz isn’t a bad skater. he’s just bad at ice skating.

absolutely shreds on a half pipe

 

[Devs3cups]

 

[captainscott12]

Obviously Mercer isn't happening and Vegas doesn't have anything to challenge that anyway. The bigger thing would be them not liking Holtz. If they think Cormier is better then that makes this a really uphill battle.

I like Holtz.. he doesn't fit in this season at this point, i would of course be ok trading him in a mier package but i think he is gonna be a solid NHL player.. can't expect much of him play so sporadically and his last 3-5 games were much better than his first several...

Agreed I like Zetterlund too, but he's completely expendable in a trade for someone like Meier.

It's a smart choice by San Jose to pick him as part of the return, Z will have a long and productive NHL career.

My morning has gone from plans to mountain bike to scaling back to just a quick trip to the gym to now the likely hood of drinking heavily.

These things happen

 

[devilsblood]

Holtz is definitely not a terrible skater. Fake narrative. He has balance and strength issues. And you look slower when you’re unsure of where to go. His actual skating isn’t that bad, that is bologna.

I won't pretend to know where his skating technique ranks, but he is definitely the slowest player on the Devils.

That's not a big deal on the PP, but it's definitely a big deal 5v5, and just not sure how it is conducive to being a good top 6 offensive minded player.

 

[captainscott12]

he really is not.

I think you guys see guys like Hughes and Bratt and their top end skating/edgework and therefore anything else is "atrocious"

I wouldnt call him a GOOD skater, but I wouldnt call him a BAD skater either. Hes average.

I agree. Holtz may not be an elite skater. But there are lots of good NHL players that are not elite skaters.

 

[NJDevils17]

Holtz is not a bad skater. He just looks worse with the way our team is constructed. He’s average .

 

[TF1970]

Some really nice work by Armstrong. And may get more valuable pieces even still over the coming months if he can get Parayko or someone like that to waive NTC.

 

[devilsblood]

It’s this and his IQ. He doesn’t know how to properly read the play to get himself to the right spots and it makes him look way slower than he is.

He also has mediocre hands and issues creating his own opportunities, which compounds the IQ issues.

I've liked his puck skills actually. His inability to create is because of his skating imo.

Can't say I've really noticed this IQ issue.

 

[captainscott12]

It’s this and his IQ. He doesn’t know how to properly read the play to get himself to the right spots and it makes him look way slower than he is.

He also has mediocre hands and issues creating his own opportunities, which compounds the IQ issues.

I just don’t see this. I think holtz is gonna be a good player. Again if he is what we give up as the main thing for mier I am ok w this but a right handed goal scorer is a nice thing to have when you have guys like jack and Nico at center. See Dawson Mercer. Of course we are gonna have to give something of value to San Jose. Personally I would rather send Shara as I feel that holtz has bigger upside than Shara

 

[Lou is God]

Maybe we can take this Holtz discussion elsewhere?