Interesting thought experiment...would you trade Boone Jenner if the haul is what Tanner Jeannot got?
2023 Trade Deadline (03/03/23 3PM EST)
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I would seriously consider it. That haul was nuts for Jeannot. But I feel like I'd want to keep Jenner for organizational purposes - it wouldn't be a good look. I don't remember exactly when I felt like this was an issue (maybe after trading Bjorkstrand) but it's crossed my mind a few times this season and Jenner is one of the few remaining core players and probably brings intangibles that aren't worth trading for a pick haul. Tampa's picks are possibly pretty late, so the "1st rd pick" doesn't really have the same value if it's a #28 or so (just like the Boston pick, same thinking).
But:
I want to panic now.
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I would seriously consider it. That haul was nuts for Jeannot. But I feel like I'd want to keep Jenner for organizational purposes - it wouldn't be a good look. I don't remember exactly when I felt like this was an issue (maybe after trading Bjorkstrand) but it's crossed my mind a few times this season and Jenner is one of the few remaining core players and probably brings intangibles that aren't worth trading for a pick haul. Tampa's picks are possibly pretty late, so the "1st rd pick" doesn't really have the same value if it's a #28 or so (just like the Boston pick, same thinking).
But:
I want to panic now.
Oof. The options are drying up. Not good.
Boston really f***ed us. I’m not panicking yet but the optics are not looking good.
Yeah, we’re now screwed with Gavrikov return, if he gets traded, I feel we might be shocked with how little we get
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I imagine obviously they are talking to us about Gavrikov too. I don’t think anything is close. They’re just gauging the market
Gavrikov was never getting the Savard package because he’s nowhere near the player Savard was. Gavrikov has been overrated by most CBJ fans for most of his time, and Savard was underrated for essentially his entire time on the CBJ.
Fully prepared for a Gavrikov/Korpisalo package to add to whatever we can get in return.
Fully prepared for a Gavrikov/Korpisalo package to add to whatever we can get in return.
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Except for Savard's last season, you're right. In the last one David played very bad.
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I’d want multiple 1sts and even then idk if it’s worth it.
So we are trying to get players who don’t want to be here? That’s gonna work..
Jarmo overplayed his hand in Gavrikov, I’m hoping for a 2023 2nd rounder at this point.
Boston did not f*** us. Jarmo set the price way too high and by the time he realized he was getting undercut nobody else really was interested.
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Did he? Maybe Gavrikov was willing to sign an extension in Boston and that's why Jarmo was holding firm. Friedman did say there was a lot of interesting stuff going on behind the scenes.
O.K imagine, we would trade Boone. So the question is. Who could be the captain? Not only have C but be really captain? Kuraly? No. Werenski or Gaudreau? Also no. We don't have similar type of player but need him. The real leader whose professionalism should be an example to young players.
That's why I think Boone's trade would be a bad mistake.
Fro
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I'm not sure Jarmo overplayed anything here...reading various tweets Boston agreed to a deal, and the price wanted...but just found a better player and deal...Washington doesn't part with Orlov and Hath...Gavy is a Bruin this week
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Boston did f*** us and jarmo did set the price too high (which is what you do when starting negotiations) and Boston met a certain price. Involving a first. Whether we didn’t want to take back salary (Smith) or retain on him or what, Boston needed more time to satisfy their cap needs. In this time, orlov became available, and they went with that instead.
Backing out of an agreed upon deal is f***ing someone over. It’s not illegal, but it’s bad business practice. Anyone involved in business would tell you that. Doesn’t mean you can’t do it, doesn’t mean they were “wrong” to do it. It still isn’t good practice and I don’t think you’ll see jarmo doing business with Boston unless it’s necessary to do so.
MissADD
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So Jackets want to be back "in the thick of things" next year but they also do not want to make a trade that would improve their roster because they would have to spend money on an expiring contract? 
I don't know how all of the TDL "reports" we've gotten recently could be totally true.
I don't know how all of the TDL "reports" we've gotten recently could be totally true.
Yes, if they're not going to be in competition for a WC spot next season.
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Would not be surprised to see Gavrikov lob some parting shots to management once this trade finally does go down
My Monday rant...
I don't get why anyone would think CBJ should trade Boone. Sure, other teams want him - in the same vein that CBJ or any other team would want McDavid, or Draistll or Mathews or MacKinnon, or any other C you can identify on another team. They just aren't for sale. I'm not suggesting that Boone is on a tier with any of those players. But would EDM or COL would give up McDavid/Draisatl/MacKinnon for 5, 6 or even 7 first round picks (assuming that such a trade was even permitted)? Doubtful. Especially not if the trade was to a middling/contending team even in the opposite conference - those picks would be late in the first round, not top 5 picks...so not even a guaranteed NHL'er comes out of that bunch of picks. And not sure any NHL team would be willing to trade that much of the future on one player - when one injury could change the dynamic completely (and yes, I know the Browns did it, idiots).
Jenner plays C. He's 18-16-34 on this season. He's 55.89% on the dot. He's on a very team-friendly contract.
I agree Jenner is miscast as a 1C, but he's still a really good 2C and an exceptional 3C on any club, even moreso on a contender.
That contender would also then have the benefit of that team-friendly contract for a few more years.
Boone is 29, not 34. Yes, Boone raises concerns with his back injuries - and yet he's playing with his usual reckless abandon. He's the only motor for the CBJ; as bad as they've been this year, it is not because of Boone Jenner. He's worth infintely more than Jeanot.
Jeanot scored 24 goals last year as rookie; this year he is 5-9-14. Jeanot is not in as deep a sophomore slump as our own Sillinger, but it starts bordering on that. If Jeanot is worth 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks, Jenner's worth to the CBJ is far in excess of that. Maybe a top C prospect and 2 or 3 1sts plus some later round picks? And yet none of those late first round picks coming back are guaranteed to ever play an NHL game.
I would not be shopping Jenner; if some team wanted to make an opening offer of a young C with high ceiling plus at least 2 1st round picks and a few later round picks, you'd have to listen. But in the end, I probably still wouldn't make the trade. If we draft the 1C (Bedard, et al), and they prove out as anticipated, then Boone gets re-slotted to the 2nd/3rd C on a contract that would still be team friendly - and Boone is still providing competitive drive for a team in 2 years that at least is sniffing the PO's. We still would need a 2C-3C. Boone wouldn't be the 1C but he would still be the motor that got this team into and through a playoff push.
so Gavrikov is mad at the organization while we’re trying to get rid of him, and the new guy we’re trying to get to replace him doesn’t want to be here and is mad we’re being included in the rumored teams. Seems very on brand for CBJ land.
don't think you can say that he set the price 'too' high if boston met it with weeks to spare before the deadline.
the issue is that washington and nashville both deciding to sell + gavrikov being picky about where he'll sign an extension (after weeks of being able to talk to teams) has crushed the market for him.
they also had a deal in place on the draft floor for chychrun, and that fell through at the last minute after arizona traded up to get geekie.
i don't think it's necessarily a rarity for this kind of thing to happen, but it's interesting that this has basically happened twice in the last few months to the jackets in the pursuit of the same player. it's like chychrun is jarmo's white whale.
I haven't seen anywhere where Jarmo is shopping Jenner. All I have seen is that teams are inquiring on Jenner. And Jarmo should listen. I'm not saying we should trade him, but if someone wants to grossly overpay for Jenner I think Jarmo would be a fool not to take it. Jenner is a great locker room guy and a good hockey player. But he's a 3C who can play 2C well who is currently having to play 1C. And he's doing a good job at it. But he's way overused for what he actually is.
Jenner is not untradeable but it would take a lot to get him. Again if someone comes calling with 2 firsts plus a good prospect you have to think about it. The entire problem is what is our solution at C if that happens? Roslovic?
If he would be traded slap the C on Zach W next season.
My worry is if you trade Jenner - do you blow the whole thing up? I mean does Johnny want to be here if you have Roslovic or Sillinger as 1C? Even if we "win" the trade (as Jarmo does) but ends up being a place noone wants to be at.
If he would be traded slap the C on Zach W next season.
My worry is if you trade Jenner - do you blow the whole thing up? I mean does Johnny want to be here if you have Roslovic or Sillinger as 1C? Even if we "win" the trade (as Jarmo does) but ends up being a place noone wants to be at.
