Patriots/NFL 2023 Pre-Season - DA drops gun charges against Patriots CB Jack Jones

[Johnnyduke]

Patricia’s entire offense was brainless check downs

We run an offense now that requires the quarterback to actually make reads. Zappe couldn’t do that and held onto the ball way too long.

If Patricia's entire offense was "brainless check downs" then how is it possible a 1st round QB talent couldn't handle that? I think we would all agree no matter what the offense is Mac Jones should always be able to execute it better than Zappe.

 

[KrejciMVP]

If Patricia's entire offense was "brainless check downs" then how is it possible a 1st round QB talent couldn't handle that? I think we would all agree no matter what the offense is Mac Jones should always be able to execute it better than Zappe.

not like Mac has a big arm and shouldnt be able to handle checkdowns.

 

[LSCII]

Bill probably had a plan waiving him and practice squad after. why would Bill bother if hes as bad as you say

Why would Bill risk losing him for nothing if he was as good as you say?

Patricia’s entire offense was brainless check downs

We run an offense now that requires the quarterback to actually make reads. Zappe couldn’t do that and held onto the ball way too long.

That’s it really. Zappe was asked to run a normal pro style offense this preseason and he struggled. Both in the games and in practice. To the point where BOB did not think he could run a pro style offense if the whispers are true. Bert Breer was on the sports hub midday show saying this so it’s not coming from me.

 

[Johnnyduke]

I still have big time doubts as to whether Mac is good enough to overcome the talent deficiency around him. Another failure by Belichick. Don't they have to make a decision on Mac's contract after this year? I'd prefer a different GM make that determination at this point. If you think you can win with Mac give the kid some actual talent around him.

As for why Zappe was waived I think it had more to do with having to keep 11 OL. In a normal, functional organization where you don't need to keep that many OL Zappe is probably never cut to begin with. But hey if they want to look for a better backup I have no problem with that. Because I sure as hell won't be surprised if this team needs the backup QB at some point this year.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Why would Bill risk losing him for nothing if he was as good as you say?


That’s it really. Zappe was asked to run a normal pro style offense this preseason and he struggled. Both in the games and in practice. To the point where BOB did not think he could run a pro style offense if the whispers are true. Bert Breer was on the sports hub midday show saying this so it’s not coming from me.

I don't think Zappe was really put in a favorable position to make such a quick judgment on what can handle. who exactly did he play with?

 

[Mione134]

not like Mac has a big arm and shouldnt be able to handle checkdowns.

I think this notion that Mac doesn't have a big arm is pretty baseless. His arm is fine. Is he Josh Allen rocket? No. But he's capable of throwing it downfield.

 

[LSCII]

If Patricia's entire offense was "brainless check downs" then how is it possible a 1st round QB talent couldn't handle that? I think we would all agree no matter what the offense is Mac Jones should always be able to execute it better than Zappe.

There were a lot of issues besides the scheme. Taking too long to get the play in, minimizing Jones’ time to adjust at the line. A lack of throwing the ball down field. Brutally inept calls in key spots. And Zappe had the luck to play against the two worst defenses in the league when he played.

 

[Johnnyduke]

There were a lot of issues besides the scheme. Taking too long to get the play in, minimizing Jones’ time to adjust at the line. A lack of throwing the ball down field. Brutally inept calls in key spots. And Zappe had the luck to play against the two worst defenses in the league when he played.

It's still the first two starts of a career from a 4th round rookie QB. I don't think we should be holding the defenses he played against him as an explanation as to why he performed ok in the same offense.

I am curious though if the offense sucks this year. If people will be jumping on Bill for the talent around Mac or if Mac will start taking most of the blame. The one thing that surprises me here is just the level of defense Mac Jones has received so far from fans (well maybe not the Gillette Stadium crowd who had no problem booing his ass).

 

[Johnnyduke]

And based on what I've read here it seems like it should be fairly easy to bring in a backup better than Zappe. So what do people think if that doesn't happen? I guess that would be classified as another strike against Bill then.

 

[McGarnagle]

And based on what I've read here it seems like it should be fairly easy to bring in a backup better than Zappe. So what do people think if that doesn't happen? I guess that would be classified as another strike against Bill then.

I think for Belichick it's a case of cross that bridge when we get to it.

As long as Mac is healthy, just roll with it - those new practice squad callup rules from last year mean that for at least 4 weeks you can carry more linemen or players at other positions you want to try out without having to keep Zappe or Cunningham on the 53-man roster.

I'm betting that if Mac gets a minor injury and can't finish a game or it's a blowout, they'll let Zappe play and just deal with it. But if Mac gets a major injury and can't start for a week or two, then they'll sign a Colt McCoy or someone to start. But until then I think Bill's just gaming the roster limit rules.

 

[LSCII]

And based on what I've read here it seems like it should be fairly easy to bring in a backup better than Zappe. So what do people think if that doesn't happen? I guess that would be classified as another strike against Bill then.

Simple question for you. In the post Brady era, do you think Bill has done a good job as both coach and general manager? Looking for your honest assessment here.

 

[Johnnyduke]

Simple question for you. In the post Brady era, do you think Bill has done a good job as both coach and general manager? Looking for your honest assessment here.

That would be a hell no. People even used to say his coaching carried his GM failures (during the Brady era anyway) but I think his coaching has taken a dip as well. Just look at how bad special teams were last year. The disastrous coaching hires/promotions. Kraft should have already pulled the plug but he has turned into John Henry.

 

[Lobster57]

when do you play an NFL game. let me know



how did Mac do in that game who has much more experience than Zappe

does someone need to be in the league to know when someone else shouldn't?

 

[McGarnagle]

If Mac were to have a significant injury early in the year, I'd absolutely go in on Carson Wentz. Much better than some replacement level backup like Colt McCoy or Zappe.

Wentz would either have a complete redemption and could get them to the playoffs, or he could be a total disaster and we'd wind up 4-13 and picking high. The vanilla backups like McCoy will bring you to 6-11 or 7-10 and you're still in purgatory. Why not take the lottery ticket then.

 

[Mione134]

Thornton to the IR. I called it. Will miss the first 4 games.

Pop Douglas and Boutte have an opportunity to show out.

 

[Johnnyduke]

Thornton to the IR. I called it. Will miss the first 4 games.

Pop Douglas and Boutte have an opportunity to show out.

I have no problem saying Tyquan Thornton is officially a bust. Some might hold out hope but just another draft pick down the drain. Yay the guy can run fast. People had concerns about his frame and other aspects of his game to begin with.

 

[EverettMike]

I have no problem saying Tyquan Thornton is officially a bust. Some might hold out hope but just another draft pick down the drain. Yay the guy can run fast. People had concerns about his frame and other aspects of his game to begin with.

Bust the second they drafted him.

 

[Mione134]

Bust the second they drafted him.

Especially looking at the players taken instead of him around the league.


Sigh...

 

[CDJ]

Yeah I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he goes zoom and he had some helium but this doesn’t look like it’ll work out!

Would be hilarious if the 6th rounders hit. He should be forbidden to pick any receivers before the 5th if they do

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Yeah I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he goes zoom and he had some helium but this doesn’t look like it’ll work out!

Would be hilarious if the 6th rounders hit. He should be forbidden to pick any receivers before the 5th if they do

Are you referring to anyone in particular or just thinking out loud?

 

[Smitty93]

I can't call Thornton a bust because, to me, a bust requires that a player have expectations. They drafted a 6th round talent in the 2nd. Just because they took him in the 2nd doesn't mean his talent magically changed. If anything, he's probably exceeded expectations because a 6th round pick is a fringe roster player, let alone someone that actually contributes.

 

[LSCII]

Thornton to the IR. I called it. Will miss the first 4 games.

Pop Douglas and Boutte have an opportunity to show out.

Mister Glass is hurt again? I’m stunned, I says. Stunned.

 

[LSCII]

I can't call Thornton a bust because, to me, a bust requires that a player have expectations. They drafted a 6th round talent in the 2nd. Just because they took him in the 2nd doesn't mean his talent magically changed. If anything, he's probably exceeded expectations because a 6th round pick is a fringe roster player, let alone someone that actually contributes.

Larry Bird said it years ago and it still rings true. He said you can pay a million dollar player 2 million dollars but it doesn’t make him a million dollars better. It just means you overpaid. Reaching for players early that would have been available far later is the worst thing Bill has done. His drafting has been absolute trash for years now. He’s got to go if they want the team to be competitive again at some point. But hey, we all get to watch him limo closer towards a meaningless wins record instead. Sweet.

Are you referring to anyone in particular or just thinking out loud?

He’s talking about Thornton aka fast but fragile.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Larry Bird said it years ago and it still rings true. He said you can pay a million dollar player 2 million dollars but it doesn’t make him a million dollars better. It just means you overpaid. Reaching for players early that would have been available far later is the worst thing Bill has done. His drafting has been absolute trash for years now. He’s got to go if they want the team to be competitive again at some point. But hey, we all get to watch him limo closer towards a meaningless wins record instead. Sweet.


He’s talking about Thornton aka fast but fragile.

Oh I know. My question still stands

 

[CDJ]

I think Thornton actually has a good amount of talent, that body is just so skinny