Red Sox/MLB 2023 Off-Season - Red Sox-Yankees trade

[GatorMike]

If the Sox had dipped below the threshold, they would have received picks 70 and 71 in the 2023 draft for Bogey and Nate. Since they were over, they received 133 and 134. That's the equivalent of about two rounds of players. They also lost out on $1 million in bonus pool money.

Understood. And I'm not saying those criticisms weren't valid.

I just think it's hypocritical for fans to criticize them for not spending enough, then turn around and also criticize them for going over the threshhold.

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

Understood. And I'm not saying those criticisms weren't valid.

I just think it's hypocritical for fans to criticize them for not spending enough, then turn around and also criticize them for going over the threshhold.

Absolutely agree. I was adding to your point that there are more considerations than simply the reluctance of going over the CBT than money.

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

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[KrejciMVP]

I dont feel bad for ownership group paying a tax when they own multiple franchises. boo hoo

 

[GatorMike]

I dont feel bad for ownership group paying a tax when they own multiple franchises. boo hoo

I don't think anyone has argued that you should feel bad for FSG.

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

I don't think anyone has argued that you should feel bad for FSG.

Another false narrative that anyone should cry for FSG.

 

[KrejciMVP]

I don't think anyone has argued that you should feel bad for FSG.

sure they did. Henry wrote that garbage letter when trading betts

 

[GatorMike]

sure they did. Henry wrote that garbage letter when trading betts

In what part of that letter did Henry make the case that fans should feel bad for FSG having to pay the CBT?

 

[RoccoF14]

Great Game1 of the World Series….

I hope it goes 7, because that was fun as hell….

 

[chizzler]

The day the curse was broken. I still get emotional. Happy Anniversary.

Wow, I got chills watching that. Great moment.

 

[Johnnyduke]

Was watching college hockey last night and never checked after I saw Arizona was up 5-3 in the 8th. Winning a game like the Rangers did is very anti Texas Rangers. Historically you'd expect them to be the ones to gag the 5-3 lead. Wish I saw it live now!

Understood. And I'm not saying those criticisms weren't valid.

I just think it's hypocritical for fans to criticize them for not spending enough, then turn around and also criticize them for going over the threshhold.

Are we talking about the completely bungled deadline which caused them to stay over the tax? Were we supposed to be happy that they middled it and stayed above the tax during a lost season?

 

[Johnnyduke]

And again what were the Dodgers thinking letting Seager get away?

 

[RoccoF14]

And again what were the Dodgers thinking letting Seager get away?

Yep. My brother and I were talking about that last night. They spend money like drunken sailors, but for whatever reason they didn't want to put out the cash for Seager.......their WS MVP from 2020.

 

[GatorMike]

Were we supposed to be happy that they middled it and stayed above the tax during a lost season?

I don't care if people are happy or not. I just want them to be consistent.

If you're banging the drum about how ownership isn't spending enough money to win, then you can't also complain about the compensatory draft picks and the loss of bonus pool money, because that's what you're advocating for.

 

[Johnnyduke]

I don't care if people are happy or not. I just want them to be consistent.

If you're banging the drum about how ownership isn't spending enough money to win, then you can't also complain about the compensatory draft picks and the loss of bonus pool money, because that's what you're advocating for.

Sorry but it's not hypocritical to get on them for being over the tax when they had a chance to avoid it at a trade deadline. That's different than going into a season. They could have added pieces but to middle it, stay above the tax and not add anything...that was a debacle.

 

[Johnnyduke]

I need this dude to throw a complete game. Just to show that it is still possible for a starting pitcher to do it and in the WS.

 

[RoccoF14]

Kelley pitched a gem tonight. On to Arizona.

This Diamondback team reminds me a lot of those 1980s Whitey Herzog Cardinal teams..

I’ve seen more SAC bunts these past 2 games than I’ve seen in the past 2 years…..and I think that’s a good thing.

 

[EvilDead]

Understood. And I'm not saying those criticisms weren't valid.

I just think it's hypocritical for fans to criticize them for not spending enough, then turn around and also criticize them for going over the threshhold.

I think it's fair criticism because it looks that the Red Sox are a rudderless organization at the moment. They can't pick a direction. They want to have their cake and eat it too because they want to justify their high ticket prices while not spending to the capability everyone knows they can given the resources that ownership has.

 

[Johnnyduke]

I think it's fair criticism because it looks that the Red Sox are a rudderless organization at the moment. They can't pick a direction. They want to have their cake and eat it too because they want to justify their high ticket prices while not spending to the capability everyone knows they can given the resources that ownership has.

My issue in this discussion was this idea that Red Sox fans can't complain about them staying above the tax in a season where they were like a .500 team and added nothing at the deadline/traded Vazquez. If that's gonna be your approach in a lost season why are you staying above the tax? They could have and should have gotten under the tax if they made a determination that they weren't going to add anything. It's perfectly reasonable to evaluate every situation differently.

But in general if they want to keep charging the most in baseball and increasing prices then that should be reflected in the payroll. It should be a top 5 payroll team. Not in the 10-15 range like we saw this year. But that is also going into a season. If the team stinks then by all means trade off whatever salary you can at the trade deadline.

 

[Johnnyduke]

Kelley pitched a gem tonight. On to Arizona.

This Diamondback team reminds me a lot of those 1980s Whitey Herzog Cardinal teams..

I’ve seen more SAC bunts these past 2 games than I’ve seen in the past 2 years…..and I think that’s a good thing.

Here I thought Kelly was some youngish guy the DBacks developed but this morning I read he's a 35 year old "nobody" who was pitching in South Korea at one point. What a story.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

I don't care if people are happy or not. I just want them to be consistent.

If you're banging the drum about how ownership isn't spending enough money to win, then you can't also complain about the compensatory draft picks and the loss of bonus pool money, because that's what you're advocating for.

I feel you think things through before you post.

I just really struggle trying to understand what you are defending

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

https://x.com/Nationals/status/1719089512473567419?s=20

 

[Fenway]

MLB local market ratings for 2023 regular-season*
TEAM	RSN	MARKET	2023	2022	% +/-
Rangers	Bally Sports Southwest	Dallas-Ft. Worth	1.41	0.71	99%
Pirates	AT&T SportsNet Pittsburgh	Pittsburgh	4.21	2.45	72%
Orioles	MASN	Baltimore	4.23	2.56	65%
Reds	Bally Sports Ohio	Cincinnati	4.74	2.87	65%
Cubs	Marquee Sports Network	Chicago	2.16	1.61	34%
Twins	Bally Sports North	Minneapolis- St. Paul	3.31	2.47	34%
Phillies	NBC Sports Philadelphia	Philadelphia	5.49	4.23	30%
D-backs	MLB**	Phoenix	1.25	1.00	25%
Rays	Bally Sports Sun	Tampa-St. Pete	3.18	2.55	25%
Braves	Bally Sports South/Southeast	Atlanta	3.43	2.90	18%
Mariners	Root Sports Northwest	Seattle-Tacoma	3.66	3.14	17%
Marlins	Bally Sports Florida	Miami- Ft. Lauderdale	0.75	0.66	14%
Brewers	Bally Sports Wisconsin	Milwaukee	5.19	4.65	12%
Angels	Bally Sports West	L.A.	0.90	0.83	8%
Rockies	AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain	Denver	0.90	0.85	6%
Nationals	MASN	D.C.	0.85	0.81	5%
Tigers	Bally Sports Detroit	Detroit	2.56	2.52	2%
Red Sox	NESN	Boston	2.67	2.67	0%
Guardians	Bally Sports Great Lakes	Cleveland-Akron	3.85	3.87	-1%
Padres	MLB**	San Diego	4.13	4.45	-7%
Astros	AT&T SportsNet Southwest	Houston	3.79	4.20	-10%
Giants	NBC Sports Bay Area	S.F.-Oakland- San Jose	2.10	2.47	-15%
Dodgers	SportsNet L.A.	L.A.	1.77	2.12	-17%
A's	NBC Sports California	S.F.-Oakland- San Jose	0.36	0.47	-23%
Yankees	YES Network	N.Y.	2.23	2.99	-25%
Mets	SNY	N.Y.	1.73	2.36	-27%
Cardinals	Bally Sports Midwest	St. Louis	5.30	7.28	-27%
Royals	Bally Sports Kansas City	K.C.	2.60	3.72	-30%
White Sox	NBC Sports Chicago	Chicago	0.99	1.69	-41%

NOTES: * = Toronto market not measured for the Blue Jays. Games this season are measured through Sept. 25, with comparisons to the same number of games in 2022. ** = Game inventory reverted to MLB, which negotiated local TV deals for the teams.

 

[GordonHowe]

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I am not a baseball fan, and used to resent the primacy of the Red Sox among Boston's "three sport media," but rooting for the impressive and intriguing Breslow,

Craig Breslow is a problem solver. His next project? The Red Sox. - The Boston Globe

The Red Sox’ new chief baseball officer has demonstrated boldness and a willingness to reach for a high bar and grasp it. He confronts forks along the way with decisiveness and ambition.

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[McGarnagle]

Eovaldi with the ball and a chance to win the WS tonight. I'm rooting for him, even if it's a kick in the balls.