Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk XII

[MarchysNoseKnows]

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What about it? He had one fewer point than Coyle and one more than Frederic. Anyone attempting to pin any significant blame on him in Boston's PO loss is missing the forest for the trees.

At least you can say he was ineffective after getting crosschecked in the ribs by Tkachuk and speared in the Grogan by Bennett. That’s honestly the best description you could have of him. He was not even close to good.

 

[The Andrew Peeke Fan]

In a fair and just world, Lauko makes Frederic expendable. You have to hope their idea is to feed him, again, on a line he doesn't necessarily belong on to inflate his value and move him at what teams may find to be a reasonable hit.

I actually really like him, but he doesn't belong in a top-9 that has any depth wrt scoring talent. Would be much happier with him <1.6 and riding wing on the 4th, and even then, he's a replaceable player outside of saying funny stuff in a high voice and irritating people.

I actually keep forgetting about Lauko, Monty seemed partial to him. Would be cool to see him on the 3rd consistently, if he deserves it. McLaughlin also got screwed last year, outplayed Freddy in camp and preseason, I felt. Merkulov can score and cycle, also. They just have higher ceiling, more skilled options that, if they once again feed this guy mins over his head, they are actively stunting the growth of. This is also partially why I can't stand the JVR signing; you have guys who should be learning in those mins that this floater, who scores within 6 feet of the net and usually when his team is already winning, is undoubtedly gonna get. Sucks imo. Hopefully they do the right thing and play their guys (they won't lol).

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Are you related to him or something? He f***ing blew all series. A total ghost and a huge disappointment.

Lol, I'm sure as hell not going to shit on him when its uncalled for. You've been a gigantic d*** pal. Why don't you go back to bed, you need a do over.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

In a fair and just world, Lauko makes Frederic expendable. You have to hope their idea is to feed him, again, on a line he doesn't necessarily belong on to inflate his value and move him at what teams may find to be a reasonable hit.

I actually really like him, but he doesn't belong in a top-9 that has any depth wrt scoring talent. Would be much happier with him <1.6 and riding wing on the 4th, and even then, he's a replaceable player outside of saying funny stuff in a high voice and irritating people.

I actually keep forgetting about Lauko, Monty seemed partial to him. Would be cool to see him on the 3rd consistently, if he deserves it. McLaughlin also got screwed last year, outplayed Freddy in camp and preseason, I felt. Merkulov can score and cycle, also. They just have higher ceiling, more skilled options that, if they once again feed this guy mins over his head, they are actively stunting the growth of. This is also partially why I can't stand the JVR signing; you have guys who should be learning in those mins that this floater, who scores within 6 feet of the net and usually when his team is already winning, is undoubtedly gonna get. Sucks imo. Hopefully they do the right thing and play their guys (they won't lol).

 

[Hookslide]

Imagine, if things had worked out slightly differently, we could have had a line of:
JVR-JFK-JDB

Haha...........you need a job

 

[KillerMillerTime]

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At least you can say he was ineffective after getting crosschecked in the ribs by Tkachuk and speared in the Grogan by Bennett. That’s honestly the best description you could have of him. He was not even close to good.

This discussion\evaluation of Hathaway was all related to his RS activity. So people shift the discussion to the PO because the reality was Hathaway was perfectly fine in the RS and they have nothing to stand on when things like facts rebut their opinions.

Of course he wasn't effective in the PO but was by no means anything close to an important reason they lost in the PO.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

This discussion\evaluation of Hathaway was all related to his RS activity. So people shift the discussion to the PO because the reality was Hathaway was perfectly fine in the RS and they have nothing to stand on when things like facts rebut their opinions.

Of course he wasn't effective in the PO but was by no means anything close to an important reason they lost in the PO.

How many wins do you think Hathaway was worth over the alternative? The whole point is when looking at last years Bruins versus this years using deadline acquisitions - most especially Hathaway - to be the evidence of a huge drop off coming is misleading at best.

 

[Hookslide]

What about it? He had one fewer point than Coyle and one more than Frederic. Anyone attempting to pin any significant blame on him in Boston's PO loss is missing the forest for the trees.

I think you are right not to blame him for PO loss but I think you have to admit he did not come as advertised , if he was told to reign it in then shame on them , if so why did we waste the cost of obtaining him..........

 

[Fenian24]

Why add a supposedly aggressive player in Hathaway and then tell him to do nothing? That doesn't make sense. It's on the player to me.

In the same vein why add Lucic in his spot in the off season? Maybe anticipating he will be a presence in the playoffs?

 

[EverettMike]

This discussion\evaluation of Hathaway was all related to his RS activity. So people shift the discussion to the PO because the reality was Hathaway was perfectly fine in the RS and they have nothing to stand on when things like facts rebut their opinions.

Of course he wasn't effective in the PO but was by no means anything close to an important reason they lost in the PO.

He wasn't brought here to help them in the regular season! He was brought here specifically to contribute a physical presence in the post season. F-

Also, you got real condescending about people criticizing him. Reaping/sowing, etc etc

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Why add a supposedly aggressive player in Hathaway and then tell him to do nothing? That doesn't make sense. It's on the player to me.

In the same vein why add Lucic in his spot in the off season? Maybe anticipating he will be a presence in the playoffs?

Its obvious that Monty’s strategy - to a fault - was in fear of the Panthers PP above all else. No extra penalties. Forbort an anchor. Huge mistake.

 

[Kegs]

A request - please move lineup and pairings predictions to here:

Boston Bruins - Predict the Lineup & Lines discussion

We’ll give this a shot. May work for the season as so much unknown. Have at it.

forums.hfboards.com

thanks.

We have the best management up in here

 

[Dr Quincy]

Take Hathaway out and add Lucic, do we lose that round? I think not. Hathaway was a giant disappointment and that's being kind

That's a huge stretch. I keep saying this and people want to ignore it: Lucic was the worst defensive F on a team that was bad. His team was drastically outscored with him on the ice... in other words, his team did worse whenever he was there.

To think that because he pushes some guy after a scrum in a game would solve the dmen making bad passes or keep Bergeron from being hurt is a mighty big stretch.

BTW the last time we saw Lucic in the playoffs he was getting owned by Dale F'n Weisse.

 

[Fenian24]

That's a huge stretch. I keep saying this and people want to ignore it: Lucic was the worst defensive F on a team that was bad. His team was drastically outscored with him on the ice... in other words, his team did worse whenever he was there.

To think that because he pushes some guy after a scrum in a game would solve the dmen making bad passes or keep Bergeron from being hurt is a mighty big stretch.

No but if he hammered Tkachuk or Gudas in a fight they may have calmed down. Tkachuk got banged up in the finals and stopped looking liked a hybrid of Gordie Howe and Eric Lindros, maybe if that happens in game two he isn't as effective the rest of the way. Let him know he has to pay for the cheap shots he threw consistently, let Gudas know he doesn't get to run over people, have a chat with Sam Bennett and he no longer plays like Ken Linseman. All stuff Hathaway or Frederic should have done.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Lol, complete and total speculation on your part with absolutely nothing factual to back your opinion up.

I have already posted he scored 2 games winners in the 3rd period of tied games
in March. Also scored 2 goals against Buffalo in 2 March games. Both goals
were nice finishes, especially the goal in Buffalo. So that's 4 goals, all of them good finishes with two of them 3rd period GW in tie games. That's very good production
for a 4th liner.

Those are the facts on Hathaway's offensive contributions which paint a far more accurate assesment than your opinion. Care to tell me where Calgary finished regarding the PO with Lucic?

The Flames didn't have the team the Bruins did so what's your point. Lucic in my opinion ends the Tkachuk and Bennett fake tough guys act with one beating

My opinion is only based on having eyeballs. Hathaway was a p***y in that series and not having Wilson to protect his ass was obviously a key factor.

Just ones opinion nothing factual

 

[Dr Quincy]

No but if he hammered Tkachuk or Gudas in a fight they may have calmed down. Tkachuk got banged up in the finals and stopped looking liked a hybrid of Gordie Howe and Eric Lindros, maybe if that happens in game two he isn't as effective the rest of the way. Let him know he has to pay for the cheap shots he threw consistently, let Gudas know he doesn't get to run over people, have a chat with Sam Bennett and he no longer plays like Ken Linseman. All stuff Hathaway or Frederic should have done.

Why in the world would Tkachuk fight Lucic? Tkachuk was the best player in the series and his team needed him to play. Leaving the ice for 5 minutes in exchange for a 4th liner would be dumb.

Ok so maybe Lucic jumps him and doesn't give him the choice. Sure.

Then we can play the "What if Gudas jumps Pasta and fights him without giving him a choice?" game too.

You can say that adding Lucic for this season is a good idea. I'm not sure I agree with it, but it's an argument that can be made. To say definitively that if Lucic played instead of Hathaway that would have changed who won that series has no actual basis to support it.

The Flames didn't have the team the Bruins did so what's your point. Lucic in my opinion ends the Tkachuk and Bennett fake tough guys act with one beating

My opinion is only based on having eyeballs. Hathaway was a p***y in that series and not having Wilson to protect his ass was obviously a key factor.

Just ones opinion nothing factual

This isn't the defense you think it is.

Yeah, CGY sucked.

And Lucic sucked the most. Sure his suckiness can be mitigated by better teammates, but at this point, by all measures other than fistfights, Hathaway is a better player (and I don't think Hathaway is particularly good).

 

[Kegs]

That's a huge stretch. I keep saying this and people want to ignore it: Lucic was the worst defensive F on a team that was bad. His team was drastically outscored with him on the ice... in other words, his team did worse whenever he was there.

To think that because he pushes some guy after a scrum in a game would solve the dmen making bad passes or keep Bergeron from being hurt is a mighty big stretch.

BTW the last time we saw Lucic in the playoffs he was getting owned by Dale F'n Weisse.

I’m with you on this. I’m not sure why everyone thinks lucic is still a game changer. He really isn’t. I wouldn’t be surprised if he spent some games in the press box. He averaged about 2 hits a game. He had 43 pim. No one will fight him anymore. It’s not the same nhl as it was.

And don’t get me wrong. I love lucic. He was great ten years ago. He just isn’t as effective as he once was.

Hopefully I’m wrong.

Why in the world would Tkachuk fight Lucic? Tkachuk was the best player in the series and his team needed him to play. Leaving the ice for 5 minutes in exchange for a 4th liner would be dumb.

Ok so maybe Lucic jumps him and doesn't give him the choice. Sure.

Then we can play the "What if Gudas jumps Pasta and fights him without giving him a choice?" game too.

You can say that adding Lucic for this season is a good idea. I'm not sure I agree with it, but it's an argument that can be made. To say definitively that if Lucic played instead of Hathaway that would have changed who won that series has no actual basis to support it.



This isn't the defense you think it is.

Yeah, CGY sucked.

And Lucic sucked the most. Sure his suckiness can be mitigated by better teammates, but at this point, by all measures other than fistfights, Hathaway is a better player (and I don't think Hathaway is particularly good).

He won’t fight anyone. He starts problems and then hides behind the refs. And in the new nhl you can’t just grab him and start pounding his head in.

He is more of a rat than Marchand. At least Marchand is willing to drop the gloves.


Gudas isn’t fighting anyone either. Why do you guys think these players fight? Hathaway doesn’t fight much, Wilson doesn’t fight much, I’ve never seen gudas fight, tkachuk doesn’t fight, Bennett doesn’t fight. None of these guys are likely to drop the gloves.

Lucic will probably only fight reaves.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

That's a huge stretch. I keep saying this and people want to ignore it: Lucic was the worst defensive F on a team that was bad. His team was drastically outscored with him on the ice... in other words, his team did worse whenever he was there.

To think that because he pushes some guy after a scrum in a game would solve the dmen making bad passes or keep Bergeron from being hurt is a mighty big stretch.

BTW the last time we saw Lucic in the playoffs he was getting owned by Dale F'n Weisse.

Wasn't that tough guy Shawn Thornton. Being owned? lol

Lucic would have had a much different roll with last years Bruins. He would have been a piece of the puzzle NOT a player we relied on to put up points or defend in the defensive zone. Florida' D had a walk in the park, Lucic would have tighten them up a bit, that was Hathaway's job and he blew at it. Stick in the balls or not

 

[Dr Quincy]

I’m with you on this. I’m not sure why everyone thinks lucic is still a game changer. He really isn’t. I wouldn’t be surprised if he spent some games in the press box. He averaged about 2 hits a game. He had 43 pim. No one will fight him anymore. It’s not the same nhl as it was.

And don’t get me wrong. I love lucic. He was great ten years ago. He just isn’t as effective as he once was.

Hopefully I’m wrong.


He won’t fight anyone. He starts problems and then hides behind the refs. And in the new nhl you can’t just grab him and start pounding his head in.

He is more of a rat than Marchand. At least Marchand is willing to drop the gloves.

I think the value of Lucic is during a long regular season when he can pick a few spots during the season to do something of a violent nature.

I don't think Lucic looking mad in a scrum would have stopped Brad Marchand from being on ice for 2x as many goals against as goals scored, or Ullmark from falling apart or Monty refusing to start Ullmark in game 6.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Why in the world would Tkachuk fight Lucic? Tkachuk was the best player in the series and his team needed him to play. Leaving the ice for 5 minutes in exchange for a 4th liner would be dumb.

Ok so maybe Lucic jumps him and doesn't give him the choice. Sure.

Then we can play the "What if Gudas jumps Pasta and fights him without giving him a choice?" game too.

You can say that adding Lucic for this season is a good idea. I'm not sure I agree with it, but it's an argument that can be made. To say definitively that if Lucic played instead of Hathaway that would have changed who won that series has no actual basis to support it.



This isn't the defense you think it is.

Yeah, CGY sucked.

And Lucic sucked the most. Sure his suckiness can be mitigated by better teammates, but at this point, by all measures other than fistfights, Hathaway is a better player (and I don't think Hathaway is particularly good).

Not point arguing with you over it, I said my piece

 

[IveGotToBeMe]

Wouldn’t be shocked if Lucic retires during camp/preseason. Hoping that’s not the case but stranger things have happened. At some point, the body doesn’t do what the mind wants it to do. What would be the worst outcome is if his fighting ability/toughness can’t keep up with what his head wants him to do. I’m just not penciling him into the lineup until we see what he can bring to the table after what has been a handful of bad seasons. I think some are expecting too much from him but over the last five seasons (yes I know the overall team defense was poor) he’s averaged 20 points and a -9. If the dominant toughness/fighting is gone I’d rather give the spot to a younger guy who has some nasty.

 

[The Andrew Peeke Fan]

Depicted: You seizing into a prodromal episode before monotonously regurgitating a reddit post from 3 days prior, like a Salem witch era court procession

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[The Andrew Peeke Fan]

Wouldn’t be shocked if Lucic retires during camp/preseason. Hoping that’s not the case but stranger things have happened. At some point, the body doesn’t do what the mind wants it to do. What would be the worst outcome is if his fighting ability/toughness can’t keep up with what his head wants him to do. I’m just not penciling him into the lineup until we see what he can bring to the table after what has been a handful of bad seasons. I think some are expecting too much from him but over the last five seasons (yes I know the overall team defense was poor) he’s averaged 20 points and a -9. If the dominant toughness/fighting is gone I’d rather give the spot to a younger guy who has some nasty.

That would be cool.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Ah the off season. Where the endless debate of how much Hathaway sucked in the playoffs.


Oh….and he took a big steaming dump out there by the way

 

[Fenian24]

My Lucic prediction for next season 75 games-10 goals-11-assists-21 points-91 PIM-7 fights-1 million tears from the speed and skill crowd as a Bruin once again hits and fights and plays the game the right way.