Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk III

[Son of Donegal]

They have until 5pm Friday before the buyout window closes on Reilly, Forbort, etc...

Should hear something soon...

 

[quietbruinfan]

Being 66 years old now, I think he'd be a cheap addition

Meh he hates Harry....

 

[mar2kbos]

Hayes to St Louis for a 6th rounder, trade market value is low right now damn

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Hayes to St Louis for a 6th rounder, trade market value is low right now damn

Trade market is low for pure salary dumps, that teams must move

 

[chrisab123]

The best move is to blow this up. They won't be able to replace Hall Bergy Krecji AND Bertuzzi.

They won't get the green light from Monty Burns since it would hurt the bottom line and wouldn't guarantee them a playoff gate.

 

[TCB]

Trade market is low for pure salary dumps, that teams must move

Yep
major difference look up Dubois, Pierre

 

[Mainehockey33]

Coyle is currently the teams #1 center

I don’t think the Bs are considering moving him

If Coyle is in the top 6 they should blow it up, that 2024 1st is top 10 protected, right?

 

[mar2kbos]

Trade market is low for pure salary dumps, that teams must move

Does Philly really need to move him as a cap salary dump. Didn’t think their cap space was that low or they just want to rebuild

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Let me apologize in advance for the long winded response. I will try and keep it short.

1) I think Walsh has the best chance at an NHL future. Regula I'm not completely sold on but I haven't written him off just yet. Mitchell is the least likeliest of the three IMO. But you have to remember, outside of Boston they had one right shot d-man under contract with zero pro experience and Sweeney has two rosters to fill, Boston and Providence.

As for recouping picks, I have to breakdown how trades work. Don Sweeney does not call every GM himself. In fact, most deals are initiated between the AGM's and Director of Player Personnel before the GM's get involved. Most teams, including the Bruins designate people in the organization to be responsible for initiating conversations with specific teams. For example: Evan Gold may be responsible for the Atlantic division, Scott Bradley for the Pacific and so on. So they've had the conversations and as you know, some teams would not be able to make it work because of the cap, or needed the Bruins to take back salary and they couldn't... a bunch of different reasons, but they had the discussions. No one was offering what the fans wanted. Again, it's the cost of doing business. Does it suck? Probably, but everyone operates under the same rules.

2) Gryz's value. I've maintained my stance that the Bruins could get a second round pick for Gryz going back to the last trade deadline. Does it still hold true? I'm told yes. But I raised the question because it does hold some merit in past negotiations/trades around the league: Gryz's actual money owed is $4.2 million with only a $3.6 million cap hit. Yes, it may be peanuts, but history has shown that when a player's actual money owed is higher then his cap hit, it de-values him on the trade market. So, to answer your question I'm not sure how much an opposing GM is going to look at that.

Finally, I apologize if I said to trust Sweeney. I never want to force my opinion on anyone. Everyone here needs to make up their own minds. All I know is he is an NHL GM and I am not and only time will tell if he makes the right move or not.

Thanks for your feedback, I appreciate it.

As for the process, that stuff is very interesting, but also makes me wonder if any parts of that cog are not pulling their weight. I'd imagine they did their due diligence and moving Hall + Foligno for what sounds like C prospects at best, if that was the best deal, so be it. But it wouldn't be the first time after the fact you heard another GM say, "wow, I didn't know player x was available" and/or the price.

Gryz's value, I hope you are right, I still do think they need to recoup picks, but it's looking more and more likely we aren't going to be picking in the first 2 rounds. I mean if Hall gets table scraps (even with his cap hit)... just less optimistic about the return of other players.

I wasn't insinuating you were forcing your opinion at all! Everyone has a right to their own. I'm just a little more cautious with my trust. The success he's had hasn't resulted in a cup, (which most GM's can say), he's had his hits, he's had his misses. But overall, from a strictly asset point of view, Sweeney has sent A LOT of assets out over the years, with very little tangible roster players as of TODAY or and the future.

Hence, even getting the throw-in 4-7th round pick can turn into something, but if we couldn't even grab those?

In terms of roster, I felt like it was odd to move Hall for C level defense prospects when we already have so limited forwards signed. I know we are after centers, and room to sign forward depth. Sweeney's overfocus on D, especially LD has put us in a bad cap spot. I mean, easy to say as an arm-chair GM, but moving Hall for 2 NHL ready forward prospects (even with less upside) would have made a little more sense given the roster needs.

Anyways, that's just my two cents, and I appreciate your contribution/sharing either way!

 

[EverettMike]

4 million for a great leader and a guy who will get you a 2-5 round pick depending on the year he has come deadline. Plus they have tons of cap space.

HAHAHA

YOU'RE KILLING IT RIGHT NOW!

 

[TCB]

If Coyle is in the top 6 they should blow it up, that 2024 1st is top 10 protected, right?

I wouldn't really call Zacha a top 2 center either. I like him as a player but the only way I want him centering my second line is if McDavid or MacKinnon is centering my first.

 

[quietbruinfan]

If Coyle is in the top 6 they should blow it up, that 2024 1st is top 10 protected, right?

I think you are getting what you wish for in spades.
My guess is Neely, who is a realist if nothing else, went to JJ and said no contention this year and JJ gave the order for a nuclear summer. Huge mistake as there is still talent here.

 

[ylekot]

Dumping Hall and not signing Bertuzzi? Must be something in the works here that I don't see. Maybe they have collected a bunch of RD fodder to move one out? Figured they would have enough cap space with gryz traded and buyout of Reilly, Forbort To cover Freddy and sway while bringing kids up from Providence to fill out rest of roster.

 

[TCB]

I think you are getting what you wish for in spades.
My guess is Neely, who is a realist if nothing else, went to JJ and said no contention this year and JJ gave the order for a nuclear summer. Huge mistake as there is still talent here.

Yea Their too good for that to happen Imo. Hall's gone, I think Grizz will be gone for sure and there's 9 mil to go and make a hockey trade and bring in a true number 1 center +.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Dumping Hall and not signing Bertuzzi? Must be something in the works here that I don't see. Maybe they have collected a bunch of RD fodder to move one out? Figured they would have enough cap space with gryz traded and buyout of Reilly, Forbort To cover Freddy and sway while bringing kids up from Providence to fill out rest of roster.

By Kids you mean Lauko, singular.?

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I don't believe for one second that the Bruins don't know what Bergeron and Krejci are planning by now. Neither would leave them hanging.

Bruins just don't want to show their hand before the draft and free agency.

There's one thing showing your hand... and another thing to hide the obvious.

Bruins CANNOT play wait and see with Bergeron/Krejci. Even if they know, Bruins need a long term center. Everyone knows that. Bergeron and/or Krejci coming back for the Swan Song part 3 shouldn't and wouldn't change that they need a long term center. Not making a move because of that, seems like playing with fire.

I think last season was great up until game 5 of the playoffs, but to expect that again, even if BOTH came back, the positional need is there regardless.

 

[ranold26]

What a haul for Winnipeg.

 

[UConn126]

Calling it right now, I bet we sign Dylan Gambrell. Sens didn't qualify him, he'll be dirt cheap, and he played for Monty at Denver.

 

[13Hockey]

 

[ylekot]

By Kids you mean Lauko, singular.?

Lauko, McLaughlin and possibly Beeche

 

[TSBruins13]

Gosh there are so many holes in our roster right now - I don't have any idea what this team may look like.

Which of our prospects do we think we can pencil into the starting lineup?

I think I am comfortable penciling in Lauko as a full-timer. Outside of that....not sure there are any that are ready for the big show, or at least, on a permanent basis.

From what I read, Walsh sounds promising so I'll chuck him on the third pairing. Guess I'll give the nod to Merkulov and McLaughlin as well. Screw it - Lohrei going to pair with McAvoy cause frankly we have too many holes.

Trade Gryz + Ullmark for Scheifele and a pick
Sign Hathaway
Sign Domi
Sign Frederic
Buy out Reilly


Marchand - Schiefele - Debrusk
Domi - Zacha - Pastrnak
Frederic - Coyle - Lauko
Merkulov - McLaughlin - Hathaway

Lohrei- McAvoy
Lindholm - Carlo
Forbort - Walsh

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Bruins are going to suck this year. Book it.

 

[yazmybaby]

Does Philly really need to move him as a cap salary dump. Didn’t think their cap space was that low or they just want to rebuild

Hayes is one of the most ovepaid Centers in league, was strictly a salary dump by the Flyers. They can use this cap space to sign one or two better players. Smart move.

 

[TCB]

What a haul for Winnipeg.

 

[roflstomper]

Maybe I'm just an asshole but as GM I would want a definitive answer leading into the draft. Him coming back or not is too big of a factor to not know. They got knocked out 2 months ago.