2023 NHL Entry Draft

[1000eeer]

Happy to see that there might be a consensus around Michkov being the best prospect of this draft.

Cause he is indeed... I mean, I'm a big fan of Bedard but you gotta be blind not to see it.

That being said, It's obvious that Bedard will go 1st OA before Michkov.

The bigger the gap between intrinsic value and market value, the happier I'll be. Warren Buffet's type of opportunity

This will create a tremendous opportunity for us.. If we don't have the first pick OA obviously.

 

[crosbyshow]

Happy to see that there might be a consensus around Michkov being the best prospect of this draft.

Cause he is indeed... I mean, I'm a big fan of Bedard but you gotta be blind not to see it.

That being said, It's obvious that Bedard will go 1st OA before Michkov.

The bigger the gap between intrinsic value and market value, the happier I'll be. Warren Buffet's type of opportunity

This will create a tremendous opportunity for us.. If we don't have the first pick OA obviously.

As great as he is...Michkov will not be draft...top 5.

He will not crossover before 22 years old and even then with Putin....nobody knows if will play in North America one day.

A team like Montréal for example will not want to take a risk and wait a minimum of 3,4 years when you have Fantilli, Carlsson, Yager etc..on sight.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Has the shitting on Bedard happened this quickly? Way sooner than expected.

Can’t wait until everyone starts nutting over themselves about the 2024 draft and how we should tank again lol

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

He's a generational shooter. We've never seen a prospect this good at shooting at that age ever. Not Ovechkin, not Matthew's.

I respectfully disagree. Caufield was just as good coming into the draft which is why some of us had him in the top 3 with height and position being the only factor why he wasn't 1. This isn't a overall comparison of the two players, just their shot

 

[WeThreeKings]

I respectfully disagree. Caufield was just as good coming into the draft which is why some of us had him in the top 3 with height and position being the only factor why he wasn't 1. This isn't a overall comparison of the two players, just their shot

Caufield was really good but no, Bedard is a tier above him.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Caufield was really good but no, Bedard is a tier above him.

I don't know the numbers but I'd like someone to make a vid of Bedard vs players like Caufield, Ovechkin, Matthews, etc (pre draft) comparing their velocity, accuracy, release time, shot selection ability, etc. Because what we're doing right now is just pure conjecture. It'd be nice if we had analytics to back up our claims lol

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

Lets tank for Michael Misa instead.

 

[Goldenhands]

Has the shitting on Bedard happened this quickly? Way sooner than expected.

Can’t wait until everyone starts nutting over themselves about the 2024 draft and how we should tank again lol

Why should Bedard be exempt from any criticisms? Dvorsky got some, so will the other prospects as people get to watch them. They all have strengths and weaknesses and we are allowed to discuss them without being called haters.

 

[SOLR]

I respectfully disagree. Caufield was just as good coming into the draft which is why some of us had him in the top 3 with height and position being the only factor why he wasn't 1. This isn't a overall comparison of the two players, just their shot

Caufield was not at the WJC at 16. I don't even need to check...Bedard is about 2.5 years ahead of where Caufield was at 17. Really no comparison between these 2.

I don't know the numbers but I'd like someone to make a vid of Bedard vs players like Caufield, Ovechkin, Matthews, etc (pre draft) comparing their velocity, accuracy, release time, shot selection ability, etc. Because what we're doing right now is just pure conjecture. It'd be nice if we had analytics to back up our claims lol

We are not currently seeing Bedard's "pre-draft" - that's in 9 months.

 

[SOLR]

As great as he is...Michkov will not be draft...top 5.

He will not crossover before 22 years old and even then with Putin....nobody knows if will play in North America one day.

A team like Montréal for example will not want to take a risk and wait a minimum of 3,4 years when you have Fantilli, Carlsson, Yager etc..on sight.

I think he's going top 2-3 regardless, he's generational - one team will take the risk, Arizona for example can wait...they got so many other draft assets. Chicago and Montreal, doubt they are willing to wait as you said, but even them, who would not wait for a perennial 50 goals scorer?

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Caufield was not at the WJC at 16. I don't even need to check...Bedard is about 2.5 years ahead of where Caufield was at 17. Really no comparison between these 2.



We are not currently seeing Bedard's "pre-draft" - that's in 9 months.

Did you even read my comment or just what you wanted to see. I already pointed out that comparisons of the players overall is unwarranted as Bedard is miles ahead of Caufield. My comment was purely about the comparison of their shots. I am of the opinion that Caufield was in the same tier as Bedard is now pre draft. And no I don't think Bedards shot in 2 months at the start of the season will be drastically different that it is today

 

[SOLR]

Did you even read my comment or just what you wanted to see. I already pointed out that comparisons of the players overall is unwarranted as Bedard is miles ahead of Caufield. My comment was purely about the comparison of their shots. I am of the opinion that Caufield was in the same tier as Bedard is now pre draft. And no I don't think Bedards shot in 2 months at the start of the season will be drastically different that it is today

I did read it, that's why I pointed out that you can't compare them now, because your first view of Caufield was later (not my first view of Caufield at 15). Bedard is ahead by 2 years on Cole.

You just "judged" Bedard's shot against 2020 draftees (near NHL ready). Yes, it will look different in 2 months, because you'll be able to see it in the right context vs. his actual draft peers, with more time to do others plays etc.

 

[Tutu to]

Even though i think he projected better I thought McDavid struggled more at 16 at the WJC than Bedard. Id say its normal for a 16 year old to struggle (if you call it that) against 20 year olds.

 

[Tutu to]

Im suprised with how many people prefer Michkov to Bedard. A lot of the concerns with Bedard are mirrored with Michkov but even to a greater extent. Size,strenght and skating. I know I will get shredded but he kinda reminds me of a better Joshua Roy.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I did read it, that's why I pointed out that you can't compare them now, because your first view of Caufield was later (not my first view of Caufield at 15). Bedard is ahead by 2 years on Cole.

You just "judged" Bedard's shot against 2020 draftees (near NHL ready). Yes, it will look different in 2 months, because you'll be able to see it in the right context vs. his actual draft peers, with more time to do others plays etc.

Yes and I'm factoring in his likely progression. I am more impressed by Caufield's shooting ability at 17 than Bedards ability right now. Now will that change? Maybe, sure. He might be slightly more impressive by the end of his draft year. By my prediction, cause that's all any of us have right now, is that Bedard will be on the same tier entering the draft that Caufield was. And I'm not even sure the gap between Bedard and the field will be bigger than Caufield vs the 2019 draft field.

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

Did you even read my comment or just what you wanted to see. I already pointed out that comparisons of the players overall is unwarranted as Bedard is miles ahead of Caufield. My comment was purely about the comparison of their shots. I am of the opinion that Caufield was in the same tier as Bedard is now pre draft. And no I don't think Bedards shot in 2 months at the start of the season will be drastically different that it is today

Bedard being miles ahead of Caufield, that' s a bit exaggerated, i would even say, at scoring goals, Caufield is more talented than Bedard, i rarely saw a player making it look so easy to score a goal than Caufield.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Bedard being miles ahead of Caufield, that' s a bit exaggerated, i would even say, at scoring goals, Caufield is more talented than Bedard, i rarely saw a player making it look so easy to score a goal than Caufield.

Hey we actually agree. As a goal scorer and shooter, I think Caufield is better at the same age. The miles ahead comment was hyperbole but still he's clearly ahead as a player at the same age vs Caufield. By my main point was on that specific aspect of their game, Caufield is at the very least on par or in the same tier as Bedard pre draft. Sorry I also have to mention that Bedard still has a few months before the season starts which could factor into his development lol

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

Hey we actually agree. As a goal scorer and shooter, I think Caufield is better at the same age. The miles ahead comment was hyperbole but still he's clearly ahead as a player at the same age vs Caufield. By my main point was on that specific aspect of their game, Caufield is at the very least on par or in the same tier as Bedard pre draft. Sorry I also have to mention that Bedard still has a few months before the season starts which could factor into his development lol

Agreed, what do you think of Michael Misa vs Bedard ?

 

[SOLR]

Im suprised with how many people prefer Michkov to Bedard. A lot of the concerns with with Bedard are mirrored with Michkov but even to a greater extent. Size,strenght and skating. I know I will get shredded but he kinda reminds me off a better Joshua Roy.

Michkov reads the play at another level, Bedard has better tools. High IQ > nearly everything else.

Michkov was the MVP in that famous U-18 with Wright/Bedard/Michkov, he scores from everywhere, at all times.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Agreed, what do you think of Michael Misa vs Bedard ?

I'll let you know after this season lol. I probably will be watching more WHL than OHL for once because of who the prospects are going into the 2023 draft

 

[Tutu to]

Michkov reads the play at another level, Bedard has better tools. High IQ > nearly everything else.

Michkov was the MVP in that famous U-18 with Wright/Bedard/Michkov, he scores from everywhere, at all times.

It was actually at that tournament were I prefered Bedard. I think both players got like 3 points in the finals but I found Bedard much more dynamic.

It will be intresting to see how they develope. High IQ players cant cut it in the NHL all the time and same can be said with player that have elite tools and vice versa. I still oubviously expect both to be great players.

 

[Goldenhands]

Im suprised with how many people prefer Michkov to Bedard. A lot of the concerns with Bedard are mirrored with Michkov but even to a greater extent. Size,strenght and skating. I know I will get shredded but he kinda reminds me of a better Joshua Roy.

Michkov is already playing in the KHL and looked hands down the best Russian player last WJC. he is pretty fast, strong for his size and highly dynamic, his talent level is on par with Bedard quite easily. KHL is likely the 2nd best professional league in the world, you have to be an exceptional talent to play in this league in your D-1.

 

[Tutu to]

Michkov is already playing in the KHL and looked hands down the best Russian player last WJC. he is pretty fast, strong for his size and highly dynamic, his talent level is on par with Bedard quite easily. KHL is likely the 2nd best professional league in the world, you have to be an exceptional talent to play in this league in your D-1.

To be fair I’d say Bedard was Canada’s best player in December with maybe the exception of McTavish.

Both are highly talented (easily top 2 players in the draft right now) but have some concerns when it comes to translating their games to the next level.

 

[Goldenhands]

To be fair I’d say Bedard was Canada’s best player in December with maybe the exception of McTavish.

Both are highly talented (easily top 2 players in the draft right now) but have some concerns when it comes to translating their games to the next level.

Im not sure I agree with that last part, Michkov cracked SKA, a powerhouse in the KHL and produced some pts. KHL is a very very tough league to crack for young players and Michkov did it with one of the top teams over there. To me Michkov is more strongly built and wins more puck battles than Bedard, he is also faster and more complete. Not saying he will end up better than Bedard in their prime, just that he is ahead of him in his development right now.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Why should Bedard be exempt from any criticisms? Dvorsky got some, so will the other prospects as people get to watch them. They all have strengths and weaknesses and we are allowed to discuss them without being called haters.

I’m just amused how Bedard went from bulletproof generational guy a year ago, to Swiss cheese…