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Mrb1p said:
He lacks shooting and creativity to be an offensive D. His hands and skating pair really well, but hes basically built as a QH clone without the ++ playmaking and speed.

Hes a 15-25 range guy, theres just too many great players ahead.
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I'm not at the point of pounding the table for him with our first 1st rounder, but my limited viewings show me a still frail but mobile, offensively gifted 18y old RHD that thrived at the U20s as a 17y old. His hands are impressive, he's a great passer and he moves the puck out of the zone very well with his passes or his feet. He can take things in his own hands and get offensive zone entries with ease even at higher levels not unlike a certain Quinton Hughes.

Main downsides are on the D side of things, but nothing alarming like Dragicevic/etc.

He was listed 5'9 earlier this year, now I see reports of 5'11 180 lbs, which is certainly decent enough and eases concerns on that side.

Upside is huge, especially on the offense. You are not gonna like what I am about to say, but I'm way more excited about the upside of ASP than Reinbacher.

Different types of Ds and Reinbacher is "safer"/has a higher "floor", but I want more offensive upside in our D-core. Guhle, Xhekaj, Harris, Mailloux all have offensive limitations of their own... Only pure offensive D we have is Hutson, and he's a LHD.

If we draft one of the forwards at #5-8 and ASP is available with the Panthers pick, I'm on board.
 
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Michoulicious said:
I'm not at the point of pounding the table for him with our first 1st rounder, but my limited viewings show me a still frail but mobile, offensively gifted 18y old RHD that thrived at the U20s as a 17y old. His hands are impressive, he's a great passer and he moves the puck out of the zone very well with his passes or his feet. He can take things in his own hands and get offensive zone entries with ease even at higher levels not unlike a certain Quinton Hughes.

Main downsides are on the D side of things, but nothing alarming like Dragicevic/etc.

He was listed 5'9 earlier this year, now I see reports of 5'11 180 lbs, which is certainly decent enough and eases concerns on that side.

Upside is huge, especially on the offense. You are not gonna like what I am about to say, but I'm way more excited about the upside of APS than Reinbacher.

Different types of Ds and Reinbacher is "safer"/has a higher "floor", but I want more offensive upside in our D-core. Guhle, Xhekaj, Harris, Mailloux all have offensive limitations of their own... Only pure offensive D we have is Hutson, and he's a LHD.

If we draft one of the forwards at #5-8 and ASP is available with the Panthers pick, I'm on board.
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Then youre just flat out wrong. Reinbacher is a more powerful skater, a better passer and a much, much better shooter. His Ozone play is only rivaled by Dragicevic and Morin.

Reinbacher has outproduced him in the WJC, even though ASP was used on the PP on a powerhouse while Reinbacher was literally the only good player on his team. Hes also producing near-historic numbers in NL while ASP doesnt even produce impressive numbers in j20.

The tools are just not the same.
 
WeThreeKings said:
I mean, I had them looking at the same players for all 3 picks.



Maybe with the Florida pick. Dvorsky isn't really seen as a top 7 guy.
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He had Slafkovsky going 1st by a couple of months, everyone said he was stupid and just being a contrarian, then Bob's list comes out and Slaf goes #1, all of a sudden everybody knew Slaf was going #1 the whole time.

It's funny how you guys constantly re-write history when it comes to McCagg.

From "He's an idiot and doesn't know anything" to "He only knew our picks because TT helps him out, now that he's gone he has no idea", to "Well, even with TT gone, it looks like Grant still has a couple connections in Montreal"

Maybe one of these days you will be right. But as of now McCagg is on the right side of history and you have been wrong every time you've tried to discredit him. Don't know why you can't admit that
 
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Kobe Armstrong said:
He had Slafkovsky going 1st by a couple of months, everyone said he was stupid and just being a contrarian, then Bob's list comes out and Slaf goes #1, all of a sudden everybody knew Slaf was going #1 the whole time.

It's funny how you guys constantly re-write history when it comes to McCagg.

From "He's an idiot and doesn't know anything" to "He only knew our picks because TT helps him out, now that he's gone he has no idea", to "Well, even with TT gone, it looks like Grant still has a couple connections in Montreal"

Maybe one of these days you will be right. But as of now McCagg is on the right side of history and you have been wrong every time you've tried to discredit him. Don't know why you can't admit that
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The man threw a f***ing hissy fit when they took Sergachev over Michael McLeod. I don't have to discredit Grant because he discredits himself constantly. He knew stuff when Timmins was around, very true, but Timmins isn't around anymore and nobody is helping this guy out that has deep seeded connections to the Habs.

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WeThreeKings said:
The man threw a f***ing hissy fit when they took Sergachev over Michael McLeod. I don't have to discredit Grant because he discredits himself constantly. He knew stuff when Timmins was around, very true, but Timmins isn't around anymore and nobody is helping this guy out that has deep seeded connections to the Habs.

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This one is clearly photoshopped as McCagg has never used Twitter for iPhone, and he had Strome ranked 7th in his final list.

Don't use fake news to make your point.

And again... I don't care how good of a scout Grant is... he might be an awful scout... but he is right more than ANYBODY else when it comes to guessing who the Habs are going to pick. That's where his value is, not in his scouting.
 
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Kobe Armstrong said:
This one is clearly photoshopped as McCagg has never used Twitter for iPhone, and he had Strome ranked 7th in his final list.

Don't use fake news to make your point.

And again... I don't care how good of a scout Grant is... he might be an awful scout... but he is right more than ANYBODY else when it comes to guessing who the Habs are going to pick. That's where his value is, not in his scouting.
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He -was- more right than anybody else was. He knew Timmins, we all know that he knew Timmins, he made a point to tell us that.

Hughes and Gorton don't have their scouts feeding Timmins information anymore and they aren't feeding Grant their list either.

But even when he knew Timmins, he was still blind-sided on more than one occasion.

And I've talked to people who worked with Grant on Recrutes who confirmed that his sources with the org were gone.
 
newdimension said:
Grant's current top 10 is... something.

1. Connor Bedard
2. Adam Fantilli
3. Matvei Michkov
4. Dalibor Dvorsky
5. Daniil But
6. Leo Carlsson
7. David Reinbacher
8. Zach Benson
9. Mikhail Gulyayev
10. Nate Danielson


It might be a tip of the hat to how the Habs see things. Who knows. But if Carlsson's on the board and we pass on him for Dvorsky or But, I may put my foot through my television (and I like both Dvorsky and But).
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I don't think this will look like the Habs list at the draft, but say it is and Grant has insider info, isn't it a good thing that he has Michkov at 3? Meaning if he falls (which is very likely), then we would draft him instead of Dvorksy?
 
AHShadow said:
I don't think this will look like the Habs list at the draft, but say it is and Grant has insider info, isn't it a good thing that he has Michkov at 3? Meaning if he falls (which is very likely), then we would draft him instead of Dvorksy?
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What if we end up with a But
 
Mrb1p said:
Then youre just flat out wrong. Reinbacher is a more powerful skater, a better passer and a much, much better shooter. His Ozone play is only rivaled by Dragicevic and Morin.

Reinbacher has outproduced him in the WJC, even though ASP was used on the PP on a powerhouse while Reinbacher was literally the only good player on his team. Hes also producing near-historic numbers in NL while ASP doesnt even produce impressive numbers in j20.

The tools are just not the same.
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Speaking of Morin, how is he not more discussed? 72 pts (T-1 on his team) is incredible.

Bad to average skater? Awful defensively? Or just a case of too many players being good this year?
 
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Kobe Armstrong said:
He had Slafkovsky going 1st by a couple of months, everyone said he was stupid and just being a contrarian, then Bob's list comes out and Slaf goes #1, all of a sudden everybody knew Slaf was going #1 the whole time.

It's funny how you guys constantly re-write history when it comes to McCagg.

From "He's an idiot and doesn't know anything" to "He only knew our picks because TT helps him out, now that he's gone he has no idea", to "Well, even with TT gone, it looks like Grant still has a couple connections in Montreal"

Maybe one of these days you will be right. But as of now McCagg is on the right side of history and you have been wrong every time you've tried to discredit him. Don't know why you can't admit that
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McCagg didn't have Bedard 1st overall until after the WJC.
 
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Michoulicious said:
He's an awesome skater and IMO has the best hands for a D in the draft.

Biggest problem is his physical play, size and his shot from distance, but the shot is still pretty good.

I mean, look at those shootout goals (1m20s) and tell me this is not elite level hands, especially for a D.

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For Sandin Pelikka, I think the problem is that he does not have an impact skillset and hasn't shown that he will compensate with creativity/hockey IQ.

Purely in terms of level of skillset (not style of play) I'd say he is not far off from Nemec last year, but Nemec showed high defensive IQ and at times insane offensive/passing vision. With Nemec you see the potential of a Markov type of player. But I have a hard time projecting ASP as more than a TJ Brodie or something if he hits.

His greatess strengths are simply not that usefull for a D at the NHL level. Reinbacher shows more elite tools, he is more like Jiricek for that. Much, much more pure potential.
 
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If the standings stay the same, the top 3 teams picking are craving centers! top 3 is probably a lock at this point

1. Colombus - Bedard
2. San Jose- Fantilli/carlsson
3. Chicago- Carlsson/fantilli

I think if Anaheim stays at 4th they are for sure drafting michkov, they already have their 2 top 6 centers and they have absurd D prospects, Michkov is not only BPA but a huge need for them.

so habs will be 1st to chose from the 3rd tier of prospects, it is a huge test for the new scouts team, and frankly very scary for us, habs fan! We better hope habs win the lottery..
 
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