2023 NHL Entry Draft

[Habs Halifax]

Well you consistently cite Mackenzie's rankings in this thread rather than any actual viewings on players, so I'm not sure what else you'd like us to assume. And I'm not sure why it should even need to be stated that a draft ranking does not directly correlate to actual draft results, but you can keep making your list based arguments and all there is left to do is see what happens at the draft I guess.

I don't have anything further to add to the conversation.

It's not a lock he moves into the top 10 and that is a fair statement to make. It's not entirely based on Bob's list. I said that a few times but you have it stuck in your head. Bob's list is one I trust though but there are other factors added to it.

I said what I said and I stand by it. Onto the next conversation now. I'm not going to repeat myself.

 

[The Great Weal]

I remember when Yager was considered a top 5 prospect for this draft not too long ago. What happened?

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Call me crazy but I do look into the prospects a lot on what they are doing but I also trust Bob's list a lot too.

I'd take a more hard stance if I was an actual scout traveling to watch the actual games. I'd love to but I got a 8-5, mon-fri job.

Bob's list is already old. Reinbacher is currently at 12 for consolidated rankings. He'll be in top 10 by draft day.

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[JT3]

I remember when Yager was considered a top 5 prospect for this draft not too long ago. What happened?

Supposedly he has focused on other areas of his game outside of his strengths (those being his skating & shot). It's come as a bit of a detriment to his stats while others have surged so he has moved down a bit while others have moved up. Maybe it helps him in the long run, maybe it doesn't. I'm not fully convinced he will be a center in the long run, but the combo of his skating and shot should still make him a valuable player and fully worth a pick in the ~10 range.

 

[le_sean]

I remember when Yager was considered a top 5 prospect for this draft not too long ago. What happened?

Goal scoring went down. I think many saw him score 34 last year and thought the next logical step was for him to score 50. But now he’s showing himself to be more of a playmaker yet is quite behind the likes of fellow WHLers Benson and Cristall in that regard.

 

[The Great Weal]

Goal scoring went down. I think many saw him score 34 last year and thought the next logical step was for him to score 50. But now he’s showing himself to be more of a playmaker yet is quite behind the likes of fellow WHLers Benson and Cristall in that regard.

I feel like the tools are still there and he could be a good pickup if he falls outside the top 10.

 

[morhilane]

I remember when Yager was considered a top 5 prospect for this draft not too long ago. What happened?

He's not having a good development curve this year, regardless of the reason you want to go with for it. I personally saw red flags last year with him, so I'm not too surprised. Can he turn it around, maybe, but there are better "safer" options available so he's dropping in the rankings.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

I think Yager mostly dropped because of his numbers.

Now, I will also say that I'm lower on him than most because I find him to be too complimentary as a player to rate him with the big boys. His goal numbers seem a little too low, but I don't think he is an elite goal-scoring prospect either as his shot does too much of the heavy lifting. I'd love to get a diagram of his shots turned to goals because I feel it would be limited to two areas of the o-zone. His defensive game has improved to the point where he is a decent PKer, though I have seen him lose his assignments multiple times 5-on-5 (i.e., he is not a beast two-way guy yet). His playmaking has improved in the sense that he's slowed things down in the offensive zone and has thus allowed him options to play with, but it's once again not the kind of playmaking that elevates a line so much as working within the confines of the team.

My opinion is if his goal numbers are deflated, his assist totals are equally inflated, so his production is deceiving but not in its grand total. I also don't think my opinion would change much, if at all, if it was more in line with his pre-season projections.

Worthy pickup option with the Florida pick depending on how far up it goes (I doubt Yager makes it past 16).

 

[Vachon23]

Miro Heiskenen
David Jiricek
Moritz Seider
Simon Nemec

all started low on the ranking but finish being drafted top 10. Happen often with Euro Dmen

 

[WinterLion]

Supposedly he has focused on other areas of his game outside of his strengths (those being his skating & shot). It's come as a bit of a detriment to his stats while others have surged so he has moved down a bit while others have moved up. Maybe it helps him in the long run, maybe it doesn't. I'm not fully convinced he will be a center in the long run, but the combo of his skating and shot should still make him a valuable player and fully worth a pick in the ~10 range.

Reminds me a bit of Wright last year...

 

[phillytennis]

Call me crazy but I do look into the prospects a lot on what they are doing but I also trust Bob's list a lot too.

I'd take a more hard stance if I was an actual scout traveling to watch the actual games. I'd love to but I got a 8-5, mon-fri job.

Bob MacKenzie prospects list is considered the gold standard of prospects rankings.
Who is considered better???

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I think Yager mostly dropped because of his numbers.

Now, I will also say that I'm lower on him than most because I find him to be too complimentary as a player to rate him with the big boys. His goal numbers seem a little too low, but I don't think he is an elite goal-scoring prospect either as his shot does too much of the heavy lifting. I'd love to get a diagram of his shots turned to goals because I feel it would be limited to two areas of the o-zone. His defensive game has improved to the point where he is a decent PKer, though I have seen him lose his assignments multiple times 5-on-5 (i.e., he is not a beast two-way guy yet). His playmaking has improved in the sense that he's slowed things down in the offensive zone and has thus allowed him options to play with, but it's once again not the kind of playmaking that elevates a line so much as working within the confines of the team.

My opinion is if his goal numbers are deflated, his assist totals are equally inflated, so his production is deceiving but not in its grand total. I also don't think my opinion would change much, if at all, if it was more in line with his pre-season projections.

Worthy pickup option with the Florida pick depending on how far up it goes (I doubt Yager makes it past 16).

Not a big Yager fan at all, I project him as a one dimensional scoring winger who is not good enough to play on the top line and not gritty enough to play lower in the lineup......Something like a Dadonov/Hoffman type. Those types are easily acquired and often regretted so easy pass for me.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Build back better

Bedard/Benson Barlow But/Bjarnason

Bonna be a bretty bood braft boys

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Bob MacKenzie prospects list is considered the gold standard of prospects rankings.
Who is considered better???

Maybe so but I don't think any of them should have the word "gold" beside them.

Bob is the only one that actually involves NHL scouts. However...... the sample size is miniscule and I seriously doubt that the scouts are going to reveal any significant deviations so as to not put a player on other teams radars, this is why there is always a big riser on draft day that is not mentioned in his rankings. Korchinski ended up being the dman who jumped into the top ten although Bob had him just outside of it. Not one of his scouts had Wright at 4 but instead 8/10 had him either at first or second with the other two taking him 3rd. This goes to show how little a small sample can indicate. How about his group of ten scouts with a consensus ranking of 7th for Kemell yet he falls all the way to 17.

I think these scouts are pretty coy and offer some vanilla picks to avoid tipping the competition. There is zero chance that a scout is going to divulge proprietary information that could potentially increases the risk of the organization losing a player that they are currently higher on than other teams. I would immediately fire a scout for putting a public spotlight on something that we consider to be a potential steal and are seriously considering reaching on.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Not a big Yager fan at all, I project him as a one dimensional scoring winger who is not good enough to play on the top line and not gritty enough to play lower in the lineup......Something like a Dadonov/Hoffman type. Those types are easily acquired and often regretted so easy pass for me.

I get the feeling Yager will eventually end up being more dependable defensively than either, though not enough to call him a true defensive stalwart either. He's just very......mid in pretty much every sense of the word.

 

[Anardil]

And Bobrov was there last year where the report came out that they wouldn't be taking Russians and Hughes was evasive in his answer to the report.

A lot of posters are forgetting that one important point, about the Habs and Flyers rumoured to being the two teams that would not draft a Russian player prior to last year's draft, and lo and behold, the Habs did not choose a Russian.

Now granted, no Russian player last year was close to be considered the number 1 pick like Michkov this year, but the political situation has worsened, and it is possible that Michkov can be used as a pawn.

I personally, would pick Michkov if he was available to the Habs, if Bedard was no longer available obviously.

However, unlike Hughes, Gorton and their underlings, my career is not on the line if Michkov doesn't join the franchise.

 

[The Great Weal]

One of Bedard/Michkov/Fantilli/Carlsson/Benson/Smith/Reinbacher will be ours.

 

[Mrb1p]

One of Bedard/Michkov/Fantilli/Carlsson/Benson/Smith/Reinbacher will be ours.

Why dont you do the whole top 30

Its pretty nice tbh as I think all of them are shoe in NHLers. Smith is the one I have the most reservations towards, but there is no denying he is skilled.

 

[calder candidate]

I remember when Yager was considered a top 5 prospect for this draft not too long ago. What happened?

In the games I watch is team keep turning the puck over in the in there zone or in the neutral zone so it is hard to put up numbers…

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

I see there is no love really for Yager... OK im not into prospect like some here but for the People talking about points he played wing until this year, its not like moving from left wing to right wing. Sure hes not the caliber of the top 4 but i prefer one player that can play on pk and pp and score maybe 40 goals

And i see Yager fitting better with the young core we already have.

Draisaitl never set the whl on fire neither and appart from Bedard Who set the league on fire recently...?

Benson at over 6 feet>Yager
Benson with already injury problem<Yager

Not sold on the D and the rest for a top 5/6 pick

I mean Reidenbach? Look sweet and all, but hes he really the type of D we really need on the top 4 ? I never saw him play but from the little ive read about him he seems to be more of a 40 points D ?

 

[Mrb1p]

I see there is no love really for Yager... OK im not into prospect like some here but for the People talking about points he played wing until this year, its not like moving from left wing to right wing. Sure hes not the caliber of the top 4 but i prefer one player that can play on pk and pp and score maybe 40 goals

And i see Yager fitting better with the young core we already have.

Draisaitl never set the whl on fire neither and appart from Bedard Who set the league on fire recently...?

Benson at over 6 feet>Yager
Benson with already injury problem<Yager

Not sold on the D and the rest for a top 5/6 pick

I mean Reidenbach? Look sweet and all, but hes he really the type of D we really need on the top 4 ? I never saw him play but from the little ive read about him he seems to be more of a 40 points D ?

Benson and Cristall are lighting the dub on fire.

Benson doesnt have injury problems and is 100% better. Yager is an inch taller.

Reinbacher is absolutely a potential top pair D, hes as good or better than Guhle but on the right side.

I like Yager, but theyre both better prospects and isnt really in the same tier.

 

[River Meadow]

I feel like Habs have a super legit shot to draft Michkov......

The question is... should we?

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

10 points of difference between Cristall and Yager ? One is a proven all around the other was lebeled as winger sniper who was way better on the wing last season like i have read, but somehow he have a better PPG than Last year

If Reinbacher have reallh that potentiel sure i guess but next year is loaded with D and we Will not even have a sniff at Eiserman etc... i think we would be better off with forward this year

 

[phillytennis]

I feel like Habs have a super legit shot to draft Michkov......

The question is... should we?

Yea...but only with the Florida pick.

 

[Jabba11]

What do we think of William Smith? Kid reached the 100 pts plateau with USDNTP. Is he explosive enough for us?