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Gaylord Q Tinkledink

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Man that 5th spot sucks.

Id put money down that we end up at 6 or 7. I dont think ill ever be good with HuGo because of this season. What a clusterf***.

Also the Panthers being outside lottery range... god that sucks.
The flip side, as someone mentioned is there's going to be a better player taken closer to 10th than say at 3rd, or 4th and if the team drafts right that could be the Habs.

If anything I can see this team drafting 1st, or 2nd and getting ripped off in terms of advertised player.

Team has no luck no matter where they draft it seems.

Except Caufield.
 

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The flip side, as someone mentioned is there's going to be a better player taken closer to 10th than say at 3rd, or 4th and if the team drafts right that could be the Habs.

If anything I can see this team drafting 1st, or 2nd and getting ripped off in terms of advertised player.

Team has no luck no matter where they draft it seems.

Except Caufield.
Meh, theoretically you want to draft the highest. You can rationalize all you want but that's just having bad faith in your drafting and thats another can lol.
 
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According to the writer, Fowler is the best goalie in the USHL (before Hrabel) and probably the best in the draft

Hrabal has the higher athletic upside in the end but you may not ever get him to reach his potential.

I'd take Fowler today, for sure.
 
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According to the writer, Fowler is the best goalie in the USHL (before Hrabel) and probably the best in the draft
Fowler, Hrabal, Clara, Gajan. I want two of those, Bjarnasson if he's there in the third.

The Habs need to stack the 3rd round picks.
 

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Hope we get a RHD with Florida's pick..
Even if Reinbacher is not available there is still plenty of good RHD this year in the first rd.
Pelikka is a bit small though,, Dragicevic seems a good pick but not at #15.
If Strbak is available with our second pick i would jump on this guy, physical and grit..
What about Cameron Allen, he was in the top 15, 5 months ago..
 

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Hope we get a RHD with Florida's pick..
Even if Reinbacher is not available there is still plenty of good RHD this year in the first rd.
Pelikka is a bit small though,, Dragicevic seems a good pick but not at #15.
If Strbak is available with our second pick i would jump on this guy, physical and grit..
What about Cameron Allen, he was in the top 15, 5 months ago..
The Habs don't need a RD. BPA.
 

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Man that 5th spot sucks.

Id put money down that we end up at 6 or 7. I dont think ill ever be good with HuGo because of this season. What a clusterf***.

Also the Panthers being outside lottery range... god that sucks.
wait, so what would you have done differently? we arguably had the worst roster in the league for half the season, sure Ahlers and goalies have overperformed but that isnt HuGo's fault. they werent able to trade the bad contracts Mb left us but id rather wait then pay to get rid of them. We tanked real hard, but other teams have tanked harder what can you do, you simply cannot lose on purpose, guys are competitors most of them will always give you 100% effort, you cant asked them to give 50% that would be stupid.
 

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wait, so what would you have done differently? we arguably had the worst roster in the league for half the season, sure Ahlers and goalies have overperformed but that isnt HuGo's fault. they werent able to trade the bad contracts Mb left us but id rather wait then pay to get rid of them. We tanked real hard, but other teams have tanked harder what can you do, you simply cannot lose on purpose, guys are competitors most of them will always give you 100% effort, you cant asked them to give 50% that would be stupid.
1. I am not the one paid millions to win a cup. They are.
2. Holding on to stupid ass vets that makes the team "just good enough" and then hiding behind "Muuuuh couldn't move bad contracts" is just plain lying. Anderson could've been traded, Matheson could've been traded, Edmundson could've been traded, Dvorak could've been traded, Savard could've been traded, Allen could've been traded. You think this team is sitting in 5th with Montambeault and Primeau in nets ? Lame ass excuse. All these players are not great, they're not even good for some, but they are still NHL regulars and they still make this team decent with parity. The team literally had the worse injury luck in the league this year, there's no reasons for them to not be in the Bedard sweepstakes.

f*** I hate these lame ass excuses. More playstation and trading for a C is hard logic.
 

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1. I am not the one paid millions to win a cup. They are.
2. Holding on to stupid ass vets that makes the team "just good enough" and then hiding behind "Muuuuh couldn't move bad contracts" is just plain lying. Anderson could've been traded, Matheson could've been traded, Edmundson could've been traded, Dvorak could've been traded, Savard could've been traded, Allen could've been traded. You think this team is sitting in 5th with Montambeault and Primeau in nets ? Lame ass excuse. All these players are not great, they're not even good for some, but they are still NHL regulars and they still make this team decent with parity. The team literally had the worse injury luck in the league this year, there's no reasons for them to not be in the Bedard sweepstakes.

f*** I hate these lame ass excuses. More playstation and trading for a C is hard logic.
they all suck though, we still have to ice a team, what tells you DVO's replacement wouldnt have been even better than him? same for Edmundson, he sucks, his replacement would have been better than him...Jake allen? he sucks,! The only one I could agree with is Anderson, but some would say he is part of the future core, would be a great 3rd liner, just overpaid.

Belzile and RHP scored and gave us what 6-8 more points?? you cannot predict that...you cannot call up f**king Nate Schnarr when Belzile and RHP are busting their ass for years..thats not fair.

they did what they could, simple as that. they tank as hard as they could with what they have
 

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The team literally had the worse injury luck in the league this year, there's no reasons for them to not be in the Bedard sweepstakes.
Doesn't this just counteract the whole rant preceding it? All these veterans you're mad we didn't trade spent half the year on IR and we won games with them out of the lineup because of career AHL plugs like Belzile getting hot and rookie dmen being unexpectedly good. Anderson isn't that good, if we expedited a trade that just means Harvey-Pinard gets called up earlier and maybe we would have claimed Tolvanen as well. I'm just not really convinced that these kinds of moves would have done anything. Allen has an .891 this year and has played 41 games this year, tied for 48th in the league among goalies with over 20 games played. A goalie playing that poorly who still has the contract and veteran status to get 1A status and play 45 games is a great "asset" for a tank.

The only one that works as a straightforward tank maximizing decision would have been trading Matheson which I'm not really in favour of. Still, either way, he also missed 40%+ of the season and it's not like he's some standout stud player compared to the guys the other bottom 10 teams have.

It's a rehash of an argument we had before but I also don't really understand how you can just handwave "Savard and Edmundson could have been traded" either. Savard has two more years at 3.5M and Edmundson's back is made of papier mâché. Same for Dvorak and Anderson with term under a flat cap. Maybe they could have moved Anderson last offseason but moving Dvorak before knowing where Dach fits at C doesn't make much sense nor does selling at an absolute low point in his value like last summer would have been.
 

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they all suck though, we still have to ice a team, what tells you DVO's replacement wouldnt have been even better than him? same for Edmundson, he sucks, his replacement would have been better than him...Jake allen? he sucks,! The only one I could agree with is Anderson, but some would say he is part of the future core, would be a great 3rd liner, just overpaid.

Belzile and RHP scored and gave us what 6-8 more points?? you cannot predict that...you cannot call up f**king Nate Schnarr when Belzile and RHP are busting their ass for years..thats not fair.

they did what they could, simple as that. they tank as hard as they could with what they have
You can call up Nate Schnarr to replace Dvorak though. Dvorak sucks as a NHL player, doesn't mean he's not near a net neutral player.

They didn't do what they could, they acquired players and sat on their hands. The Monahan and Matheson trades were both really good, but there's no reasons to not turn around and at least lose some talent elsewhere. If you have Monahan, why do you need Dvorak ? Or even Evans ? If you have Matheson, why do you need Savard ? I love Savard, think he's the best vet to have around the kids, but do we REALLY need three different Savards on the team ? No.

While Jake Allen isn't even close to a NHL starter, he is still a very good 2G and he was signed this year, in october 2022 to a 2 year contract. This is a HuGo decision, it's not some "welp it is what it is". Trade Allen as a UFA, it's not hard.

And that made me realize that the doofus signed Allen for nearly 4 millions for 2 years. For christ sakes.

Doesn't this just counteract the whole rant preceding it? All these veterans you're mad we didn't trade spent half the year on IR and we won games with them out of the lineup because of career AHL plugs like Belzile getting hot and rookie dmen being unexpectedly good. Anderson isn't that good, if we expedited a trade that just means Harvey-Pinard gets called up earlier and maybe we would have claimed Tolvanen as well. I'm just not really convinced that these kinds of moves would have done anything. Allen has an .891 this year and has played 41 games this year, tied for 48th in the league among goalies with over 20 games played. A goalie playing that poorly who still has the contract and veteran status to get 1A status and play 45 games is a great "asset" for a tank.

The only one that works as a straightforward tank maximizing decision would have been trading Matheson which I'm not really in favour of. Still, either way, he also missed 40%+ of the season and it's not like he's some standout stud player compared to the guys the other bottom 10 teams have.

It's a rehash of an argument we had before but I also don't really understand how you can just handwave "Savard and Edmundson could have been traded" either. Savard has two more years at 3.5M and Edmundson's back is made of papier mâché. Same for Dvorak and Anderson with term under a flat cap. Maybe they could have moved Anderson last offseason but moving Dvorak before knowing where Dach fits at C doesn't make much sense nor does selling at an absolute low point in his value like last summer would have been.
Its not the vet injuries that are important here. It's Guhle, our 1D, Caufield our best goalscorer, Dach our 2nd line C, Xhekaj one of the Habs top 6, etc. They are the ones that drove the bus and the injuries to those guys should've sank the ship. Instead, the "bad/good" (depending on when and how convenient it is to excuse HuGo) vets just came in and played just good enough so that guys like Suzuki, RHP, Montambault/Allen could carry them to a few wins.

Why does moving Dvorak before knowing that Dach fits at C doesn't make sense ? Why ? What would've happened ? They would've lost even more games ? Finished lower ? Why are you not in favor of trading Matheson ? You literally believe in the very thing Im criticizing and you don't see it. You don't want a rebuild, you want to clutch your pebbles, because they're not pearls, and trade them for a few random valuables later down the road.

HuGo didn't move at the draft and HuGo didn't move during the season either. This is his vision, this is his fault. Instead of making tank moves that would take us into the Bedard sweepstakes, he made the roster marginally better by getting Dach, Matheson, Dadonov and Monahan. All NHL vets, aside from Dach, that ensure they would make the team better and also not be part of the future.
 
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You can call up Nate Schnarr to replace Dvorak though. Dvorak sucks as a NHL player, doesn't mean he's not near a net neutral player.

They didn't do what they could, they acquired players and sat on their hands. The Monahan and Matheson trades were both really good, but there's no reasons to not turn around and at least lose some talent elsewhere. If you have Monahan, why do you need Dvorak ? Or even Evans ? If you have Matheson, why do you need Savard ? I love Savard, think he's the best vet to have around the kids, but do we REALLY need three different Savards on the team ? No.

While Jake Allen isn't even close to a NHL starter, he is still a very good 2G and he was signed this year, in october 2022 to a 2 year contract. This is a HuGo decision, it's not some "welp it is what it is". Trade Allen as a UFA, it's not hard.

And that made me realize that the doofus signed Allen for nearly 4 millions for 2 years. For christ sakes.


Its not the vet injuries that are important here. It's Guhle, our 1D, Caufield our best goalscorer, Dach our 2nd line C, Xhekaj one of the Habs top 6, etc. They are the ones that drove the bus and the injuries to those guys should've sank the ship. Instead, the "bad/good" (depending on when and how convenient it is to excuse HuGo) vets just came in and played just good enough so that guys like Suzuki, RHP, Montambault/Allen could carry them to a few wins.

Why does moving Dvorak before knowing that Dach fits at C doesn't make sense ? Why ? What would've happened ? They would've lost even more games ? Finished lower ? Why are you not in favor of trading Matheson ? You literally believe in the very thing Im criticizing and you don't see it. You don't want a rebuild, you want to clutch your pebbles, because they're not pearls, and trade them for a few random valuables later down the road.

HuGo didn't move at the draft and HuGo didn't move during the season either. This is his vision, this is his fault. Instead of making tank moves that would take us into the Bedard sweepstakes, he made the roster marginally better by getting Dach, Matheson, Dadonov and Monahan. All NHL vets, aside from Dach, that ensure they would make the team better and also not be part of the future.
you are cherry picking to fit your narritive... he dit not get dadonov, dach, matheson, or monahan in order to improve the team... those were all trades he had to make:

Dads: got to get rid of weber's contract, too much LTIR money during the summer and you're screwed
Matheson: Petry asked for a trade, he got a similar player, younger, and he will be worth more as an expiring contract. Similar impact on the ice this year though
Monahan: Do I really need to explain myself here...you do that trade 10 out of 10
Dach: it was a gamble, I would argue that majority of fans here would have thought at the moment of the trade that Romanov was a more proven NHLer and therefor would have win us more games than Dach..

But, I get your point, and you know what, I would agree with you only if Last place in the standings would for sure get the 1st OV. No lottery and I would agree with you. But with the lottery in place, every move that you are talking about like calling up Nate Schnarr and sit or trade Dvo just doesnt move the needle enough to upset every players.
 

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Man that 5th spot sucks.

Id put money down that we end up at 6 or 7. I dont think ill ever be good with HuGo because of this season. What a clusterf***.

Also the Panthers being outside lottery range... god that sucks.
You’re one of those people. Expects everyone player to get 100Pts and go 16-0 in the playoffs.

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Hope we get a RHD with Florida's pick..
Even if Reinbacher is not available there is still plenty of good RHD this year in the first rd.
Pelikka is a bit small though,, Dragicevic seems a good pick but not at #15.
If Strbak is available with our second pick i would jump on this guy, physical and grit..
What about Cameron Allen, he was in the top 15, 5 months ago..
Why not Dragicevic at #15? He’s a difference maker, he comes to play every game, he’s a rink rat and he has plenty of talent.
 

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You’re one of those people. Expects everyone player to get 100Pts and go 16-0 in the playoffs.

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Lol....? You realize the Habs havent had a single 100 pts player in 40 years?

This was the chance we had at a PPG+ franchise player, there is no spinning it or excuses.
 

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Lol....? You realize the Habs havent had a single 100 pts player in 40 years?

This was the chance we had at a PPG+ franchise player, there is no spinning it or excuses.

I'm not sure what they could have done to ensure we get a top4 pick.

If this comes down to not moving Eddy or Drouin at the deadline, I don't think that has any downward affect on our standings.

We couldn't have possibly been more injured. I guess you could say they should have traded Monty, but like half way through the season we were all back to calling him terrible.

Seriously. We had a few good hockey players on the team at the start of the year, and spent most of the year with only one.
 
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