2023 NHL Entry Draft

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Whats the thing about Musty ? Numbers are good , size is great

He doesnt seem too well liked here

He is wildly inconsistent as an offensive play-driver at the Junior level. Some games Musty looks absolutely elite offensively, and grossly outmatches defenders with smarts, quick plays and pure skill. Other games, and they happened often this year, he looks freaking horrible as a player out on the ice, with poor effort levels, piss-poor defense, slow decisions, confusion in his ideas in the offensive zone, and quite a lot of other flaws.

The fact of the matter is that this season Musty has failed to be a difference-maker for Sudbury when games/checking get tough, and that a good bit of his scoring happens when his team is scoring in bunches, or down so many goals the game is already lost. Also doesn't help that Musty was considered a potential top 10/15 pick before the season began and that he has plain failed to assuage critics by elevating his skating up to a level scouts would project as being "pro-level", or by being the consistent offensive threat people thought he could be this year for the Wolves, so there is a bit of souring on him as a result.

If you look only at his pure hockey tools, Musty looks like an absolutely great prospect to have. Top 10 possibly.

But dig a little deeper and concerns appear, like how his work ethic isn't great, the fact that he plays a soft, perimeter game. Musty also cherry-picks a lot waiting for outlet passes at the blue line.

Then you add in the fact that he is far from a good defender (defensive positioning, stickwork and anticipation are all clearly quite poor), doesn't backcheck well, has below-average skating for the NHL-level right now to go alongside not really having much of a power game, nor being a good battler along the boards (or even too willing to get his nose dirty), and his whole blend of skills, dekes, reads and shooting ability still rates very highly, but yeah, there are massive defects there.

While Musty has a (much) higher standing as a prospect in his draft year (also higher ceiling in my opinion) and won't/shouldn't make it to the fifth round, I actually think he is actually quite similar in a way to what Joshua Roy was in 2021; a very talented player but with flaws that detract from his value, one that could either evolve as a player/person and really make something of himself, or not.

Obviously, that means that while Musty could potentially be a high-end offensive producer at the NHL level with his creativity, his skill and some of the elite-level IQ plays he makes, it also makes him quite a risk bust-wise, which is why some people have him much lower and don't really consider him that good of a prospect.

One one hand, Musty's potential is just so enticing, and he sometimes looks like a sheer virtuoso playing the game with his anticipation, his skill, the absurd accuracy/deftness/timing of his passes/snipes that you can't help but want him on your team.

But then you watch Musty when he isn't "on", and he makes you wonder if he should get drafted at all, if he even deserves to see his name called up by an NHL team with how little he seems to care on the ice. In those games, Musty's "IDGAF meter" is so high that it is similarly OVER 9000!!! and could also let him teach peak Drouin and many others masterclasses on the subject of not giving any f***s out there on the ice.

Personally, I oscillate between the two viewpoints a lot when it comes to Musty. And I haven't yet made up my mind completely though I will say that for me negatives outweigh the positives quite a bit and that he isn't the type of player I like.

In view of that, I would personally have Musty as "DND" until at least the early second-round. Fact of the matter is that there are players up until that point with similarly sky-high potential but with a lot less question marks. But after the first few picks of the second-round there shouldn't be many players with his potential and so Musty would be a good boom/bust pick by that point in my opinion.

Anyways, that's it from me. Cheers.
 
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Whats the thing about Musty ? Numbers are good , size is great

He doesnt seem too well liked here
Personally I really like him. Ive saw him live a few times this season and last season. I had hoped that he would be a target with the 2nd round pick but I suspect he will be gone late first.

Big issue was consistency. However since Sudbury changed their coaches he's been on fire.

The games I saw there's a good player with clear skill, especially passing. But he also has a nasty side to his game too which I appreciate.
 
Or we have a Karlsson type...

Many possibilities and each player is different. I think Lane driving our 2nd unit is how we should see him, because if Lane drives our 1st unit, I don't think we are a top team because Lane will never be Makar, Hedman, etc style of D.

Sorry but that just doesn't make sense to me. If Lane turns in to an elite PP quarterback he will be on the 1st unit even if we have another elite 1st pairing dman.

I feel like a high end projection for Hutson is an elite PP QB and a bottom pairing position at ES with no PK time. I entirely agree that it is incredibly unlikely that he becomes a #1 Dman and his absolute ceiling if he improves his skating and gains a ton of strength is much more likely as a #3.
 
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Sorry but that just doesn't make sense to me. If Lane turns in to an elite PP quarterback he will be on the 1st unit even if we have another elite 1st pairing dman.

I feel like a high end projection for Hutson is an elite PP QB and a bottom pairing position at ES with no PK time. I entirely agree that it is incredibly unlikely that he becomes a #1 Dman and his absolute ceiling if he improves his skating and gains a ton of strength is much more likely as a #3.

Then we agree that the likely projection is more bottom pairing / 2nd PP for Lane. Like Streit he might get a few years at the top, but that won't be the mean state.
 
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Whats the thing about Musty ? Numbers are good , size is great

He doesnt seem too well liked here
Hes a good prospect. Hes top 30 for sure. His ceiling is sky high and his floor, on account of raw talent, is pretty high too. Drouin is a bad comparison. Hes much closer to Dach than he is Drouin.

He does suck at times though, but thats why hes not top 15.
 
Then we agree that the likely projection is more bottom pairing / 2nd PP for Lane. Like Streit he might get a few years at the top, but that won't be the mean state.
18-20 minutes per game with a partner like Savard on the second pair.

Ultimately, i think i see 1-Guhle, 2-Hutson, 2-Xhekaj on the left. If we end up with Mailloux and Barron on the right side, we will need a solid two-way D to complete the right side. Rasmus Andersson type.
 
I think Hutson has superstar potential. A la Quinn Hughes.

He is a special talent doing special things.

I understand the concern relative to his size but if he put up Quinn Hughes production we will live with his flaws and we will also want him out there with our best players for more than 18 minutes a night.
 
Then we agree that the likely projection is more bottom pairing / 2nd PP for Lane. Like Streit he might get a few years at the top, but that won't be the mean state.
We aren't far apart but if he isn't good enough to be #1PP then he likely won't be on the team. His projection imo is 1st PP and 3rd pairing, like Gostisbehere if he was on a good team.
 
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We aren't far apart but if he isn't good enough to be #1PP then he likely won't be on the team. His projection imo is 1st PP and 3rd pairing, like Gostisbehere if he was on a good team.
If he gets lots of OZ starts is he really a 3rd pairing guy? It depends on how you want to define the roles on the team, like if our 3rd pairing guys do a lot of PK and shut down roles on the team.

I agree with what you’re saying, it’s more semantics on how you define the roles on the team.
 
MRB1P 2023 DRAFT RANKING End of Febuary edition
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[TD]1) Connor Bedard (RC/RW, Canada, Regina WHL)[/TD]
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[TD]2) Matvei Michkov (RW, Russia, SKA St. Petersburg VHL)[/TD]
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[TD]3) Adam Fantilli (LC, Canada, Michigan NCAA)[/TD]
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[TD]4) Leo Carlsson (LC, Sweden, Orebro SHL)[/TD]
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[TD]5) David Reinbacher (RD, Austria, Kloten NL)[/TD]
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[TD]6) Zach Benson (LW, Canada, Winnipeg WHL)[/TD]
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[TD]7) Andrew Cristall (LW/RW, Canada, Kelowna WHL) +2[/TD]
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[TD]8) Will Smith (RC, USA, NTDP U18) -1[/TD]
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[TD]9) Riley Heidt (LW, Canada, Prince George WHL) -1[/TD]
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[TD]10) Matthew Wood (RW, Canada, Connecticut NCAA)[/TD]
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[TD]11) Dalibor Dvorsky (LC/LW, Slovakia, AIK Allsvenskan)[/TD]
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[TD]12) Colby Barlow (LW, Canada, Owen Sound OHL) NPR[/TD]
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[TD]13) Ryan Leonard (RW, USA, NTDP U18) -1[/TD]
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[TD]14) Brayden Yager (RC, Canada, Moose Jaw WHL) NPR[/TD]
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[TD]15) Eduard Sale (RW, Czechia, Kometa Brno Czechia) NPR[/TD]
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Updated top 15.

Barlow creeped in, I don't see any reasons to pick Leo or Yager ahead of him at this point.
All three players do the same thing, essentially. Yager has the most raw talent, Leonard is the most dynamic but Barlow is the closest bet to a direct transition to pro hockey. I had Leonard way, way ahead of Barlow but I feel like his power game already takes a pretty big hit against some NCAA teams, I think one of the main draws to Leonard is that grit he brings and the separation he can create with his body, intensity and skating. I think Barlow does all this, but in a much bigger body and at projects to do this better overall. Note that I always bias my list for Habs pick, so in this case, I may have had Yager and Leonard above Barlow, but the size difference makes the tiny difference just enough to win me over.

I also updated Cristall. He leap-frogged Smith and Heidt (Unsure about dropping Heidt, but I had to.). All in all, Cristall does everything Smith can do, but he can actually rip it, brings a great intensity and has an added underrated toughness to his game that Smith just won't bring. The skating concerns are similar on both sides, Id rather pick the slightly smaller more dynamic offensive player with a good shot than the slightly bigger slightly less dynamic offensive player with an average shot.


Sale is the latest inclusion in the top 15, he is the first real boom-bust type that I can think of on this list. Some could say Cristall is boom-bust, but I can see a future where he is a role-playing offensive grinder à la Glen Metropolit or Desharnais (In a good way). I don't rank him ahead of the others because I think there's quite a bit of development he needs to go through to actually be a top 6 player. As far as I know, he may be tracking to be a journeyman top 6er right now, someone like Hoffman. The skillset is just too big not to pick him if he is there outside the top 15. Sale is in line with Pastrnak and Scherbak as a prospect, exciting pick if you ask me. Im a gambler baby.

In my last installment I said I would figure out Moore and Perrault but I lied, I just figured these guys were better bets than the other twos. They are the next in line along with Perron, Ritchie, Danielson, Strbak, Honzek, Brindley, Gauthier, Musty, Simashev and Morin.

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My guess is if we end up with picks 5-7 and 10-13, we're going to reach for Reinbacher with the first pick no matter what, even if Michkov is there, and then we take Benson, Cristall, Dvorsky, or Sale with the 2nd pick.
 
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My guess is if we end up with picks 5-7 and 10-13, we're going to reach for Reinbacher with the first pick no matter what, even if Michkov is there, and then we take Benson, Cristall, Dvorsky, or Sale with the 2nd pick.
Ill be insanely mad if they pick anyone over Michkov but in a scenario where he doesn't exist, getting out of any draft with Reinbacher and Cristall would be A+++
 
If he gets lots of OZ starts is he really a 3rd pairing guy? It depends on how you want to define the roles on the team, like if our 3rd pairing guys do a lot of PK and shut down roles on the team.

I agree with what you’re saying, it’s more semantics on how you define the roles on the team.

I think he is likely a player that will be sheltered at even strength which is typically what third pairing dmen are. Unless he makes huge gains in skating/strength you are going to likely want to keep him away from the oppositions top lines.

If a particular pairing is your last choice to play against the top two lines of your opponent then that is invariably your 3rd pairing as they will also have the lowest TOI at ES. In Lane's case he should get a ton of PP time but zero time on the PK.
 
This is how many games the bottom 6 teams have to play vs themselfs.

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[TD]Chi[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
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[TD]Colombus[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
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[TD]Anaheim[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
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[TD]Sharks[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
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[TD]Canucks[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
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[TD]Arizona[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
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It looks like there's still enough time to finish bottom 3, Columbus and Anaheim are top candidates, the rest are within reach. If you assign a point for every game (say they all win 50% of their mutual games). The standings will look like this:


Arizona 55 (63 GP)
Vancouver 56 (64 GP)
San Jose 51 (62 GP)
Montreal 50 (56 GP)
Anaheim 47 (64 GP)
Chicago 47 (61 GP)
Columbus 43 (59 GP)

We're also playing once againts: Columbus, San Jose, Anaheim, lets hope we lose them all:

Arizona 55 (63 GP)
Vancouver 56 (64 GP)
San Jose 53 (63 GP)
Montreal 50 (59 GP)
Anaheim 49 (65 GP)
Chicago 47 (61 GP)
Columbus 45 (60 GP)


We're alot closer than we think.
 
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The more I watch them, the more that Oliver Moore becomes my favourite of the US guys.

I think he shows the high-end offensive upside of the top line guys, but the numbers don’t reflect it because of the clear drop in talent surrounding him, plus the fact he’s on PP2. Love the speed, the work ethic. Sneaky playmaking and deception. He’s a player.
 
The more I watch them, the more that Oliver Moore becomes my favourite of the US guys.

I think he shows the high-end offensive upside of the top line guys, but the numbers don’t reflect it because of the clear drop in talent surrounding him, plus the fact he’s on PP2. Love the speed, the work ethic. Sneaky playmaking and deception. He’s a player.
Im still unsure if he has top line offensive awarenesses, his vision/playmaking might not be, but his tools are amazing. At worst you get a great 2nd liner who brings ton of speed and energy, cant really go wrong.
 
Good to see Honzek back with the Giants, he had a couple of goals today. All depending on which direction the Habs go with their first pick, he might be close to BPA with the Panthers selection. I'll get a chance to see him live Friday.
Could you imagine the Habs drafting 2 other Slovaks in the 1st round? That board would go crazy... :laugh:

Kid has some sick hands and you can see he still has plenty of room to grow physically, could become a beast down the road. He moves alot like Jean Beliveau.
 
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