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NewEraGM said:
I mean it’s just completely incorrect. If no development happened from the time a player enters the program and leaves, Hughes wouldn’t go first overall lol. You’re saying he was so far ahead in his development, he was a full 2 years ahead and every other player in the world his age still couldn’t catch him? It’s absolutely an outrageous take
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Incorrect with the ridiculous beliefs in your mind maybe. Stop pushing your opinions as facts. You can't prove the national program did anything to help him more than any other path (neither can I show the reverse). At least I'm clear that I'm presenting an opinion.

Bedard, Hughes, McDavid, etc. these guys NEVER need a specific development team imo, they spend 10 hrs at home developing each day - that far outweighs any team influence.

Hughes was known as a phenom at 12 years old, he was always going first overall, in the same track as Matthews, McDavid etc.

Gifted programs, excellence programs, etc. are proven to cost as much as they provide, they can't modify significantly innate characteristics.
 
Matthew McConaughay said:
No American teams will pick Michkov, maybe in the second round, don't think the Habs will have the guts to pick him in the first round.
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Why not?

Miroshnichenko went 20th overall last year despite missing a crazy amount of time in his D0 thanks to cancer. He was under contract until 2024 with a KHL team when the draft happened as well (signed in February 2022). International tensions were the same.

Habs won't take him, but saying he won't be taken until the 2nd round, lol.
 
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le_sean said:
I think Moore would be a great fit for this team. Lots of good skaters with the young core, but no one truly elite. He’d bring another dynamic.
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Ditto Leonard. If we do end up picking 7th or 8th (if we pass Flyers) I'd be good with Reinbacher with 1st pick. Moore or Leonard with Florida's pick although neither might be there. We'll see where things end up.
 
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MarkovsKnee said:
Ditto Leonard. If we do end up picking 7th or 8th (if we pass Flyers) I'd be good with Reinbacher with 1st pick. Moore or Leonard with Florida's pick although neither might be there. We'll see where things end up.
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I'm fine with a lot of options, I'd just fill my diaper if we used a top 10 on Barlow.
 
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Matthew McConaughay said:
No American teams will pick Michkov, maybe in the second round, don't think the Habs will have the guts to pick him in the first round.
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You come in here once a week to say the same crap without any substance behind the argument. There is no way Michkov falls passed the top 10.
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@NotProkofievian this may be the first time in the SHL I see him wire one.
Team_Spirit said:
Good read on this year *short kings*

Including Cristall, they believe he has 100pts upside.

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Theyre not wrong. Heidt, Cristall and Benson have skyhigh potential.
WeThreeKings said:
I'm fine with a lot of options, I'd just fill my diaper if we used a top 10 on Barlow.
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Barlow isnt a worst top 10 option than Leonard and Moore IMO.

Dach was picked 3rd OA and it took 4 years for him to arrive.
The Habs just picked Slafkovsky under the premise that "hes gonna be the best player in five years."

Well Michkovs gonna be the best player in 3 years, by the shape of things, before Slaf arrives at his destination.
 
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SOLR said:
Incorrect with the ridiculous beliefs in your mind maybe. Stop pushing your opinions as facts. You can't prove the national program did anything to help him more than any other path (neither can I show the reverse). At least I'm clear that I'm presenting an opinion.

Bedard, Hughes, McDavid, etc. these guys NEVER need a specific development team imo, they spend 10 hrs at home developing each day - that far outweighs any team influence.

Hughes was known as a phenom at 12 years old, he was always going first overall, in the same track as Matthews, McDavid etc.

Gifted programs, excellence programs, etc. are proven to cost as much as they provide, they can't modify significantly innate characteristics.
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you literally just said to stop saying opinions as facts and then you do just that haha
 
SOLR said:
Re-read my post, because I clearly said the opposite.
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So you think players like Matthews, Caufield, Hughes, Zegras, Boldy, Keller, Tkachuk and more all missed out on 1-2 years of development at 16 years old...imagine how good they would be if they actually played in the CHL and were developed properly then wowww!!!!

Seems to me they are doing fine….
 
NewEraGM said:
So you think players like Matthews, Caufield, Hughes, Zegras, Boldy, Keller, Tkachuk and more all missed out on 1-2 years of development at 16 years old...imagine how good they would be if they actually played in the CHL and were developed properly then wowww!!!!

Seems to me they are doing fine….
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You are inventing stuff at this point, not sure what to reply.
 
NewEraGM said:
So you think players like Matthews, Caufield, Hughes, Zegras, Boldy, Keller, Tkachuk and more all missed out on 1-2 years of development at 16 years old...imagine how good they would be if they actually played in the CHL and were developed properly then wowww!!!!

Seems to me they are doing fine….
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Buddy, nobodys saying that. Were saying the USDP doesn't change anything to their trajectory.
 
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Mrb1p said:
Buddy, nobodys saying that. Were saying the USDP doesn't change anything to their trajectory.
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Yea you are saying that. If every league changes/improves the development path of their players and USDP does not change the path, how is it that all these players that did not get a development bump still end up as top players in the league. In your minds, they missed key development because the program did not give it to them. So you’re saying they were that much better than every one else then everyone else to begin with?

I don’t know what kind of data you guys have to support the idea that USDP does not improve their trajectories. I’d love to see this data.

SOLR said:
You are inventing stuff at this point, not sure what to reply.
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Send me some data that supports the idea that USDP doesn’t improve the development of their players.
 
morhilane said:
Why not?

Miroshnichenko went 20th overall last year despite missing a crazy amount of time in his D0 thanks to cancer. He was under contract until 2024 with a KHL team when the draft happened as well (signed in February 2022). International tensions were the same.

Habs won't take him, but saying he won't be taken until the 2nd round, lol.
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Well Americans are Americans, due to the war in Ukraine, they won't want to be told off by the medias.
 
NewEraGM said:
Yea you are saying that. If every league changes/improves the development path of their players and USDP does not change the path, how is it that all these players that did not get a development bump still end up as top players in the league. In your minds, they missed key development because the program did not give it to them. So you’re saying they were that much better than every one else then everyone else to begin with?

I don’t know what kind of data you guys have to support the idea that USDP does not improve their trajectories. I’d love to see this data.


Send me some data that supports the idea that USDP doesn’t improve the development of their players.
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Are you trolling? I feel like you are purposely misinterpreting at this point. Not changing their trajectories IN COMPARISON to what any other league would. No one is saying players do not develop in the USNTDP, we are just saying that the program's draft record is no proof that they develop better in the program, because its already an all star team.
 
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ginomini said:
Are you trolling? I feel like you are purposely misinterpreting at this point. Not changing their trajectories IN COMPARISON to what any other league would. No one is saying players do not develop in the USNTDP, we are just saying that the program's draft record is no proof that they develop better in the program, because its already an all star team.
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no where was it “in comparison to other leagues”. the few posters before were pretty clear. Go read what they said.

Again, send me some proof or data that at the very least their development isn’t as good as other leagues. Like where does this even all come from? By the sound of it, it’s just an opinion
 
NewEraGM said:
no where was it “in comparison to other leagues”. the few posters before were pretty clear. Go read what they said.

Again, send me some proof or data that at the very least their development isn’t as good as other leagues. Like where does this even all come from? By the sound of it, it’s just an opinion
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Its a bit crazy that we all understand what was said but you and yet youre the one digging in your heels.
 
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Mrb1p said:
Its a bit crazy that we all understand what was said but you and yet youre the one digging in your heels.
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Send me the data/proof that suggest USNTDP doesn’t develop well. I’ve literally never EVER heard of that. This is the fourth time I’ve asked and no one is sending…

This is what SOLR said:
“They are not developing talents at all.”

Not sure how I’m misinterpreting that….

And no where before was this a matter of them developing LESS than other leagues. It was zero development.

However, if you guys meant in comparison to other leagues, fine. But it wasn’t clear.

I still disagree with the premise that they develop less than other leagues and again I’ll ask for some data/proof to back that up
 
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Mrb1p said:
Nobody claimed they didnt develop well. Do you have data on other teams that are not developping well?
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This is what SOLR said:
“They are not developing talents at all.”

No I don’t have any data. You guys are the ones saying it’s worse for development than other leagues. I’m surprised to hear that. I didn’t think they were any better or worse, so since it’s you guys making the claim that they are worse, you guys are the ones that need to show the data. I’m asking for why you guys think that but no one is sending that data to me
 
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