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2023 NHL Entry Draft

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WeThreeKings said:
Okay but what about skill? You've got plenty of power and size/strength with PLD and Dach. They could absolutely use a dynamic, smart talent like Benson on their wing.

Benson might be no Michkov, but we aren't selecting Michkov.. he's either selected before we pick or we forego it because of the geopolitical and contract situation there.

If you can't get Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov or Smith.. Benson is the most talented guy left.
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Yeah to complain about the size in the Top 6 that includes Dach, Slaf and Dubois is weird. Add Suzuki who is not as tall but is really strong. There’s no size issue.
 
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le_sean said:
Yeah to complain about the size in the Top 6 that includes Dach, Slaf and Dubois is weird. Add Suzuki who is not as tall but is really strong. There’s no size issue.
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I'd be apprehensive we added Benson and another smaller kid.. but I really don't see the Habs taking two sub 5'10 forwards with their 2 picks.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Okay but what about skill? You've got plenty of power and size/strength with PLD and Dach. They could absolutely use a dynamic, smart talent like Benson on their wing.

Benson might be no Michkov, but we aren't selecting Michkov.. he's either selected before we pick or we forego it because of the geopolitical and contract situation there.

If you can't get Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov or Smith.. Benson is the most talented guy left.
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Can we stop talking as if PLD is a high probability, we have no idea.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Farrell is gonna be in the NHL this year.

And it's more just not making the move up for Michkov and happily settling for Reinbacher or Leonard where we pick and addressing a need, plus adding talent.

I think it's a moot point anyway, the Canadiens are one of the teams not drafting russians.
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I agree with the last point. I am not sure about Farrell. I think it will depend on rookie camp.
 
honestly, I can’t understand why people keep talking about the draft in terms of roster building. In my opinion, there should be an impenetrable mental wall between player evaluation and selection and roster projection.

This is not the NFL. Draft who you believe will be the best player, not who will fit your team better.
 
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ginomini said:
honestly, I can’t understand why people keep talking about the draft in terms of roster building. In my opinion, there should be an impenetrable mental wall between player evaluation and selection and roster projection.

This is not the NFL. Draft who you believe will be the best player, not who will fit your team better.
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Yes and no.. at the top end of a draft, yes, you can shoot for upside all day.. but if there's varying degrees of players within a tier and they have elements missing in your system, you should weigh that.

But further in the draft, you don't want to end up like the Leafs and have an entire system of 5'9 skilled guys and no plug and play depth players.

Our prospect pool is at the point where, outside of the high end picks where you go best player available, we can be intentional on the profiles we take.
 
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ginomini said:
honestly, I can’t understand why people keep talking about the draft in terms of roster building. In my opinion, there should be an impenetrable mental wall between player evaluation and selection and roster projection.

This is not the NFL. Draft who you believe will be the best player, not who will fit your team better.
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Well that's not true, if there is two potential top 10 picks and the smaller player is seen as only slightly better then say a 6'3 player then take the 6'3 as we need more Caufields in the lineup.

ALternatively, don't take a defenseman if you don't see him being a top pairing D as we have like 5 guys who could develop into a top 4 when we need more forwards.

Of course dont grab a top 9 player instead of a top 4 but if it's a top 2 line forward or top 4 defenseman you absolutely can look at roster construction.
 
ginomini said:
honestly, I can’t understand why people keep talking about the draft in terms of roster building. In my opinion, there should be an impenetrable mental wall between player evaluation and selection and roster projection.

This is not the NFL. Draft who you believe will be the best player, not who will fit your team better.
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Its not all about pts either, its about building a winner and drafting kids that you think will help you to win cups. I do think that the Habs want a fast paced, puck possession team and you have to target kids that fit that identity IMO.
 
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Goldenhands said:
Its not all about pts either, its about building a winner and drafting kids that you think will help you to win cups. I do think that the Habs want a fast paced, puck possession team and you have to target kids that fit that identity IMO.
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That, I agree with. Because its about team identity, not about roster projection. I you believe a guy like Moore will help you win a cup better than Benson or Cristall because of his playstyle thats totally fine. This has to be true in a vaccumm tho. Meaning that you believe all teams that are not contenders yet would have a better chance of winning with a player like Moore.

However, if you start talking about having Caufield and Suzuki and maybe Farrell and.. That's where projection becomes mixed up with roster building.
 
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Colezuki said:
Well that's not true, if there is two potential top 10 picks and the smaller player is seen as only slightly better then say a 6'3 player then take the 6'3 as we need more Caufields in the lineup.

ALternatively, don't take a defenseman if you don't see him being a top pairing D as we have like 5 guys who could develop into a top 4 when we need more forwards.

Of course dont grab a top 9 player instead of a top 4 but if it's a top 2 line forward or top 4 defenseman you absolutely can look at roster construction.
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Well I don't agree with that.

I don't think there is such a thing as "only slightly better". There will always be a preference, especially when you spent the year watching the players and you start knowing them as individuals too (interviews and all). Letting your preferences be affected by roster projection is always a mistake in my opinion.

We have 5 guys who "could" develop into a top 4. Making disqualifying decisions on hypotheticals is a mistake in my opinion. We may have 0 top 4 Ds out of that group. If you think Reinbacher is better than all the forwards available, you go Reinbacher.

WeThreeKings said:
Yes and no.. at the top end of a draft, yes, you can shoot for upside all day.. but if there's varying degrees of players within a tier and they have elements missing in your system, you should weigh that.

But further in the draft, you don't want to end up like the Leafs and have an entire system of 5'9 skilled guys and no plug and play depth players.

Our prospect pool is at the point where, outside of the high end picks where you go best player available, we can be intentional on the profiles we take.
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I agree with that.

But, I would say that its the job of the GM to gather an extra amount of picks so that you can choose the players you prefer without risking ending up like the Leafs. Because if you have many picks you will eventually tend towards an equilibrium in terms of types of players without having to force it (obviously if you don't have too many biases in your evalutation).
 
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Is it certain or appears certain Habs would pass on Michkov with their own 1st, regardless where it lands?

Reading the board gives that impression…
 
BeliveauFan4ever said:
Is it certain or appears certain Habs would pass on Michkov with their own 1st, regardless where it lands?

Reading the board gives that impression…
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There's rumours swirling about that Montreal would only take Michkov with their second 1st round pick, and not as the first pick of the day. If Montreal's pick is 5th, I can see them taking Will Smith regardless.

If it's 8th or 9th, and Michkov is still there, you would hope they would take him.
 
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MarkovsKnee said:
There's rumours swirling about that Montreal would only take Michkov with their second 1st round pick, and not as the first pick of the day. If Montreal's pick is 5th, I can see them taking Will Smith regardless.

If it's 8th or 9th, and Michkov is still there, you would hope they would take him.
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Yes, let’s hope sanity would prevail.
 
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ginomini said:
honestly, I can’t understand why people keep talking about the draft in terms of roster building. In my opinion, there should be an impenetrable mental wall between player evaluation and selection and roster projection.

This is not the NFL. Draft who you believe will be the best player, not who will fit your team better.
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Say it louder for the simpleton in the back. Players are a currency first and foremost, they are building blocks after.
 
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With regards to Michkov, I will say the org took a big swing taking Slaf over Wright. Whether they are proven right remains to be seen but they haven't shied away from taking the more difficult to sell pick.

Hopefully if Michkov is there and they like him best they pick him.
 
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SOLR said:
I understand the context of roster building, but at this point, he's in every conversation haha - sometimes I have to check tsn.ca to make sure we haven't made the trade and I've been sleeping.
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I was reading the comments and I thought there was a trade in place. I almost looked it up before I remembered that PLD is constantly being in this conversation.
 
Canadienna said:
With regards to Michkov, I will say the org took a big swing taking Slaf over Wright. Whether they are proven right remains to be seen but they haven't shied away from taking the more difficult to sell pick.

Hopefully if Michkov is there and they like him best they pick him.
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What is difficult to sell about Michkov? He is the 2nd best player available. A superstar.
 
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