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SuzukiSZN said:
:laugh: where's benson and smith
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I'm intrigued by Grant's opinion.

My general take is I prefer upside over all, or at least upside as perceived by myself, but looking at these picks I can't figure out what he's looking for. Dvorsky at #3, ahead of Carlsson and Michkov, is a take hotter than the interior of a running volcano.
 
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GlassesJacketShirt said:
I'm intrigued by Grant's opinion.

My general take is I prefer upside over all, or at least upside as perceived by myself, but looking at these picks I can't figure out what he's looking for. Dvorsky at #3, ahead of Carlsson and Michkov, is a take hotter than the interior of a running volcano.
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He started the season with Fantilli ahead of Bedard IIRC.
 
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GlassesJacketShirt said:
I'm intrigued by Grant's opinion.

My general take is I prefer upside over all, or at least upside as perceived by myself, but looking at these picks I can't figure out what he's looking for. Dvorsky at #3, ahead of Carlsson and Michkov, is a take hotter than the interior of a running volcano.
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I agree.

He's probably going with who's a ''safer'' pick.

For Michkov i'm not surprised since everyone puts him lower, but for Carlsson i would be interested to know what's his though for having Dvorsky in front. Weird because Carlsson seems like the type of players he would be salivating over lol. He also said he's going with what he sees himself but also what's his NHL scouts friends tells him.
 
SuzukiSZN said:
I agree.

He's probably going with who's a ''safer'' pick.

For Michkov i'm not surprised since everyone puts him lower, but for Carlsson i would be interested to know what's his though for having Dvorsky in front. Weird because Carlsson seems like the type of players he would be salivating over lol. He also said he's going with what he sees himself but also what's his NHL scouts friends tells him.
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I remember him mentioning Dvorsky as a name who he could see going ahead of Bedard at the beginning of the season, so it's clear he likes him a lot.

One thing I will note is there are a lot of great shooters in this top 10. Bedard, Fantilli, Dvorsky, Michkov, Barlow, Leonard and Yager can rip it, and Carlsson isn't too shabby either.
 
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GlassesJacketShirt said:
I absolutely think he could be one, though once again it will require the proper coaching to help reel in his deficiencies defensively. There's also a gambling streak that has to be ironed out.

Having said such, I still think his skating is great, not the greatest top end speed but his ability to gain separation on his first couple of strides is more important to me. I think he could be a top notch transition player and possibly even a great offensive threat, particularly on the powerplay, with his combination of skating and puck skills (only Sandin-Pelikka and Cagnoni are in the same vein). Whether that translates into a top-pairing D-man or a second-pairing guy who mans the first PP or a straight up bust, that I am not sure of just yet, but I'm putting my chips on the former for the time being.

I'll have to schedule a viewing in the next little while to see if my opinion holds up. Truth be told, I will have less time than expected to keep up my prospect watching, at least compared to the fall semester, so it'll probably be limited to one for Gulyayev at this point as I try to catch up on other prospects who haven't been watched yet.

I double checked my list and I have Sandin-Pelikka at 11, it's tight. The latter is very similar to Gulyayev to me, just right handed and more toned down (less dynamic but also less prone to positioning errors). I find both players have these weird moments in the defensive end where they are a little to casual, if that makes any sense, and they are suddenly overwhelmed for not engaging earlier in the play.

With Reinbacher, my limited sample had me seeing his size and how he moves well within his frame. My viewings of his suggest he is more advanced (from a pro game lens) at this stage compared to the other defensemen in this class, outside of MAYBE Simashev but I'd still lean Reinbacher. I'm not convinced he is the next Moritz Seider or David Jiricek yet, my league play viewing of his (i.e., not the WJC which was an unfair situation) gives me the impression of a minute-munching defender who drives decent results both ways and can occasionally break out of his shell and move the puck up ice instead of handing it off to the next guy constantly. I don't think he is in the same league as the other two with the puck, and I don't know if I see top tier upside so much as a second-pairing guy who eats minutes, which is great but not my preference when drafting this high.

On the flipside, Reinbacher is a newer prospect to me as I never caught any matches of his pre-WJC, so I have him pegged for least two more in-season viewings to assemble a more complete picture on my thots and feelings.
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I dont see Gulyayev the same way you do. To me, he's not all that dynamic and he also doesn't flashes that high IQ that is required of elite offensive players. I may have caught him only on bad games but he's too often outside the play and does the simple plays. Unsure if its people stats watching and seeing his slight frame and good production and assuming offensive skillset and then snowball-effect into hype and then confirmation bias, as it so often happens.
 
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GlassesJacketShirt said:
I'm intrigued by Grant's opinion.

My general take is I prefer upside over all, or at least upside as perceived by myself, but looking at these picks I can't figure out what he's looking for. Dvorsky at #3, ahead of Carlsson and Michkov, is a take hotter than the interior of a running volcano.
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My guess is the + value of the center position, Dvorsky is 100% a center going foward while Carlsson has been playing the wing all season and its still unsure where he plays in the future. But I agree, Carlsson is the best talent of the 2 easily.

As for Benson, he mentions the lack of size and average skating, what I agree with, not saying he wont be a very good NHL player, but that combo will likely make him drop on draft day unless a team believes it wont be much of an issue after some seasoning.

Smith has alot of talent, but alot of physical growing to do, he often looks totally out of fuel on the ice and the motor is pretty low.
 
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GlassesJacketShirt said:
I'm intrigued by Grant's opinion.

My general take is I prefer upside over all, or at least upside as perceived by myself, but looking at these picks I can't figure out what he's looking for. Dvorsky at #3, ahead of Carlsson and Michkov, is a take hotter than the interior of a running volcano.
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Anyone who has Dvorsky ahead of Carlsson at this point is just trying to be a troll.
 
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Goldenhands said:
Yep I clearly got triggered. Thats why you cant love too many prospects at the same time, its like women, the sexiest isnt always the one to marry.

Seriously, Moore offers the best blend of skills, size and power of the 2, Moore is a better shooter, better goalscorer too.

Brindley is very high IQ player and a great playmaker, his skating is also high end, but not at Moore level. Im thinking of Moore around 6th OV, Im thinking of Brindley mid 1st.
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Brindley is like Hutson last year. He will slide due to size. Can get him 2nd round
 
le_sean said:
Anyone who has Dvorsky ahead of Carlsson at this point is just trying to be a troll.
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Or there is something they know that we don't.

See Wright last season and Lambert, although he started to drop way sooner than Wright.
 
Goldenhands said:
Who knows. Watched him yesterday and he was used on the top line with Fantilli, the point on the top PP unit and top PK duties. I think alot of scouts dont do their job properlly if this kid drops 2nd round.
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Brindley tiny and not elite numbers. He'll slide into second round
 
Scorey Perry said:
Brindley tiny and not elite numbers. He'll slide into second round
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Small for sure, but great skater, very high work rate, tenacious, high end IQ and strong playmaking skills. Kid doesnt get manhandled against older bigger players, he rolls on the hits and has very good strength for an undersized player.
 
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Kojo said:
I would take Carlsson and Michkov over Dvorsky what's the valid argument?
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Dvorsky is demonstrating more IQ than Carlsson and if you project 5 years of physical development he could close the gap on the rest where Carlsson looks much stronger now. Nobody is ranking Michkov based on the player, it's all the Russian stuff.
 
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le_sean said:
He’s literally the only scout that has him ahead.
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He was the only one with Slaf over Wright around this time last year too. He kept saying that he knew NHL scouts who had Wright 4th+, but people didn't believe him...

He has connections and his ranking is influenced what his NHL scouts buddies are telling him + his personal preferences (which is biased toward size and "power" factor). It could just be how they project at center at the NHL level that influenced having Dvorsky ahead, or maybe Dvorsky's development curve is more interesting than Carlsson's.

It's also possible they will swap in his ranking before the draft happens, but he's not doing that to troll anyone.
 
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SOLR said:
Don't think so. It's not my list, but I do see a valid argument.

(It's not my list only because I'm concerned about Dvorsky's skating)
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There is no valid argument though. What is he better at than Carlsson? More physical? Guy can’t even match Carlsson’s production despite being in a lower league. Carlsson is a better skater (which is saying something because it’s his biggest weakness), stickhandler, transition player, shooter, and has better IQ.

Or are we just gushing about two-way ability? No wonder Grant likes Dvorsky, he’s in that KK/McLeod mould of perhaps being a good two-way centre. Yawn
 
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SOLR said:
Dvorsky is demonstrating more IQ than Carlsson and if you project 5 years of physical development he could close the gap on the rest where Carlsson looks much stronger now. Nobody is ranking Michkov based on the player, it's all the Russian stuff.
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That still doesn't make sense to me, you're saying that Dvorsky could get stronger, but I suggest that Carlsson could get smarter, in that situation Carlsson is the clear winner.
 
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Kojo said:
That still doesn't make sense to me, you're saying that Dvorsky could get stronger, but I suggest that Carlsson could get smarter, in that situation Carlsson is the clear winner.
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SOLR has the belief that the 6 month difference between the two players is huge, ignoring the fact that Carlsson was better at 16/17 than Dvorsky is at 17/18. And Carlsson at 17/18 is on a completely different level.
 
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