2023 NHL Entry Draft

[MarkovsKnee]

4 goals & 2a for Bedard now. *sigh*

 

[jiboy]

I keep reading positive stuff about Smith , whats the things that separate him from being a top 3 pick ?

 

[SlafySZN]

I keep reading positive stuff about Smith , whats the things that separate him from being a top 3 pick ?

Skating probably but he’s not a bad skater.

But the thing is that Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson are so high end that even a guy like Smith is a tier under. It’s not that he lacks something in particular because i even think his IQ is superior to Fantilli.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

How would you guys rank:
-Bedard/Michkov/Carlsson/Fantilli/Smith
-Mackinnon/Barkov/Drouin/Jones/Lindholm
-McDavid/Eichel/Strome/Marner/Hanifin
-Hischier/Patrick/Heiskanen/Makar/Pettersson

In order

If we're judging purely as far as prospect evaluation and hype goes:

Option 3
Option 1
Option 2
Option 4

 

[Takurcitee]

Don't think he's going to the U18 if they consider him promoted to U20 (he didn't go to Hlinka in the summer, he went to the WJC).

I mean wjc was Like few days after hlinka so he could only play in 1 tournament

 

[Nicko999]

My God... 4 goals for Bedard tonight. Pats scored 6 goals, he had 6 pts.

Now 2.41 PPG and even more impressive 1.07 GPG!!!

 

[SOLR]

I mean wjc was Like few days after hlinka so he could only play in 1 tournament

It's not a fullproof intent revealer I know, but they did pick U20 over the Hlinka.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

My God... 4 goals for Bedard tonight. Pats scored 6 goals, he had 6 pts.

Now 2.41 PPG and even more impressive 1.07 GPG!!!

Two goals were shorthanded to boot.

He'll never be a shutdown guy but with good habits developed, I could see him being a menace on the PK at the NHL level.

 

[Takurcitee]

It's not a fullproof intent revealer I know, but they did pick U20 over the Hlinka.

Well obviously it is more important tournament

 

[Schooner Guy]

He tore it up playing with a certain play driving and playmaking winger. He’s a good player, which is why he’s going Top 10 in this draft. But him vs Carlsson isn’t particularly close.

I have Carlsson in my top 3 and certainly ahead of Dvorsky. I don't think the gap is as wide as you suggest however. Both players have different strengths. Carlsson had better players to play with in the WJC and didn't score a goal in the round robin. He scored two clutch goals in the QF and scored one in the bronze medal game which was like a pond hockey game.

Not trying to knock Carlsson at all as it's impressive for any player to be in a top 6 role in their draft year. I just think Dvorsky's talents are being undersold on here. He's going to tear it up in the WU18.

 

[Schooner Guy]

It's not a fullproof intent revealer I know, but they did pick U20 over the Hlinka.

That's because it was one or the other during the summer. Cooley, Kemell and others played in the last WU18 after playing in the WJC.

 

[JotAlan]

My God... 4 goals for Bedard tonight. Pats scored 6 goals, he had 6 pts.

Now 2.41 PPG and even more impressive 1.07 GPG!!!

And Benson hat-trick plus an assist. Last 8 games: 9-9-18 and 2.25ppg. Pushing hard into the top 5!

 

[Habs Icing]

4 pts now for Bedard. 2g, 2a.

Still 16 minutes left.

What an effing bust!

I have to convince myself of that because I don't want my heart broken on lottery night.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I spoke about the younger Jiricek brother a couple of pages back when discussing the 2024 draft. Well, at 16, he just played his first ExtraLiga game.



Adam is also a RD, and is a projected top 10 pick for 2024.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

And Benson hat-trick plus an assist. Last 8 games: 9-9-18 and 2.25ppg. Pushing hard into the top 5!

Yeah, watched the 1st period. Every time I watch Benson I fall in love all over again. What a player! Really competitive, in your face kind of player to go along with sick skill. He's noticeably improved his skating.

Ice traded three 1st round draft picks for Ostapchuk tonight. Crazy!

That leaves Honzek #1 in Vancouver, I believe, so we'll see how he handles that.

Some absolutely crazy trades in CHL this year.

 

[montreal]

I keep reading positive stuff about Smith , whats the things that separate him from being a top 3 pick ?

I wouldn't be surprised if some teams will have him in their top 2 or 3 when June rolls around.

 

[tooji]

what are the tiers now?

Bedard

Michkov
Fantilli
Carlsson

Wood
Benson

Cristall
Dvorsky
Yager
Sale

Still too early?

 

[Galchenyuk15]

1 - Bedard : Nothing to add ...
2 - Michkov : In 5 years, who gonna be the second best of his class? If you answer Michkov, you pick this guy!
3 - Carlsson : Like is overall game and the way he played the game!
4 - Fantilli : I have some concern with the way he battle with adversity like Byfield at the time he seem to have big offensive night versus weaker opponents! Nothing to be crazy but I need more time to evaluate him!
5 - Smith
6 - Benson
7 - Yager
8 - Dvorsky
9 - Sale
10 - Barlow

Maybe I'm crazy to draft Michkov at 2, but I will have difficulty to not pick him if he is available at your rank whatever your rank is. I didn't see us becoming good enough to be contender in the next 3-4 years and when the window will be open I want the best player I can and Michkov is that guy after Bedard. A really good center at ppg or a game breaker winger a la Kaprizov and a threat each time he step on the ice?

If we pick 2 and 7 hypothetically, I prefer a combo of Michkov + Dvorsky/Yager than Carlson/Fantilli + Sale/Barlow/Cristall; 1 winger and 1 center in each case! I think with Slaf, Caufield and Michkov at the wing and with Suzuki, Beck and Dvorsky or Yager at center we can become very competitive!

 

[le_sean]

1 - Bedard : Nothing to add ...
2 - Michkov : In 5 years, who gonna be the second best of his class? If you answer Michkov, you pick this guy!
3 - Carlsson : Like is overall game and the way he played the game!
4 - Fantilli : I have some concern with the way he battle with adversity like Byfield at the time he seem to have big offensive night versus weaker opponents! Nothing to be crazy but I need more time to evaluate him!
5 - Smith
6 - Benson
7 - Yager
8 - Dvorsky
9 - Sale
10 - Barlow

Maybe I'm crazy to draft Michkov at 2, but I will have difficulty to not pick him if he is available at your rank whatever your rank is. I didn't see us becoming good enough to be contender in the next 3-4 years and when the window will be open I want the best player I can and Michkov is that guy after Bedard. A really good center at ppg or a game breaker winger a la Kaprizov and a threat each time he step on the ice?

If we pick 2 and 7 hypothetically, I prefer a combo of Michkov + Dvorsky/Yager than Carlson/Fantilli + Sale/Barlow/Cristall; 1 winger and 1 center in each case! I think with Slaf, Caufield and Michkov at the wing and with Suzuki, Beck and Dvorsky or Yager at center we can become very competitive!

In that scenario I would be taking Carlsson/Fantilli + Sale/Cristall. I think the Habs are better off getting a potential 1C that can push Suzuki to the 2nd line. That would make them a contender.

 

[Addik04]

I'm still unsure about Dragicevic, on paper he looks great but from an eye-test perspective I don't know if I love him as a defensive prospect. Does have good puck protection skills and offensive instincts.

He reminds me Shattenkirk... Would you draft Dragicevic in the 20 range knowing he would have a 15 years NHL career with over .52 PPG?

 

[Fuonki]

2024 does seems to look like a really good draft for defensemen, unlike 2023. From Europe there's the already mentioned Kiviharju and Jiříček and also Galvas from Czechia. All seem to be great puck movers, which is exactly what the Habs need more from their future blueline

 

[Mrb1p]

How would you guys rank:
-Bedard/Michkov/Carlsson/Fantilli/Smith
-Mackinnon/Barkov/Drouin/Jones/Lindholm
-McDavid/Eichel/Strome/Marner/Hanifin
-Hischier/Patrick/Heiskanen/Makar/Pettersson

In order

As prospect or as NHL players?

Mcdavid
Makar
bedard
Mackinnon
Eichel
Barkov
Michkov (because hes a winger)
Carlsson
Hischier
Marner
Heiskanen
Pettersson
Lindholm
Smith

I guess? Its a tough exercise.

 

[Frozenice]

Yeah, watched the 1st period. Every time I watch Benson I fall in love all over again. What a player! Really competitive, in your face kind of player to go along with sick skill. He's noticeably improved his skating.

Ice traded three 1st round draft picks for Ostapchuk tonight. Crazy!

That leaves Honzek #1 in Vancouver, I believe, so we'll see how he handles that.

Some absolutely crazy trades in CHL this year.

I thought with the U20’s on the other players would have the stage on why they should be picked ahead of Benson and I don’t think any of them really succeeded in accomplishing that.

 

[Galchenyuk15]

In that scenario I would be taking Carlsson/Fantilli + Sale/Cristall. I think the Habs are better off getting a potential 1C that can push Suzuki to the 2nd line. That would make them a contender.

I would take Carlsson + Cristall in that case. I see Cristall as an offensive dynamo and you can't teach what he already do with the puck. He has some flaws on the defensive side of the game but something easy to work on with some maturity and commitment.

But I always remember how Serge Savard thought of a trade and he always seem the team who obtain the best player as a winner whatever the price can be to obtain him and in that situation I still think Michkov is the better player after Bedard and the better choice for us after the number 1 spot.

Having a center better than Suzuki will put us in a contender team as well but don't underestimate to have two perrenial see generationnal goal scoring winger in Caufield and Michkov; maybe Slaf can establish himself in a Unicorn in another dimension of the game in that time. Nobody will have the weapon we have at wing!

Boston manage to win with Bergeron and Krejci as top 2 center and I think we try to copy that kind of structure with Suzuki, Beck and one pick in this draft if we have 2 Pastrnak at the wing in Caufield and Michkov.

 

[Mrb1p]

Michkov + Dvorsky is the ultimate top 4/top 10 combo IMO.

Carlsson + Dvorsky would also be an embarrassment of riches type of things at center.