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Schooner Guy said:
That's because it was one or the other during the summer. Cooley, Kemell and others played in the last WU18 after playing in the WJC.
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That's a path some countries take others (like Canada) graduate players.

Not sure what the track record is for Slovakia.

Mrb1p said:
Michkov + Dvorsky is the ultimate top 4/top 10 combo IMO.

Carlsson + Dvorsky would also be an embarrassment of riches type of things at center.
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Carlsson can be used as a Winger as well. Thing is, guys like Caufield will always need to be compensated for.

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Slaf - Dvorsky - Carlsson
Roy - Beck - Mesar
 
I am surprised Andrew Cristall is not ranked higher. What stood out to me when watching him is he does not have an archetypical way of creating a play. I think this speaks more than anything to his creativity. I also like the way that he opens his hips to create deception, it reminds me a lot of how Kaprizov does the same thing.
 
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SOLR said:
That's a path some countries take others (like Canada) graduate players.

Not sure what the track record is for Slovakia.
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Canada had Bedard in the WU18 last year after he played in the WJC. I would think Slovakia would want to ice their best lineup after getting relegated a couple of years ago and then their best U18 core ever not getting a chance to play in the tournament.
 
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HabsForHire said:
Smiths playmaking is insane, the kid has eyes in the back of his head
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I really like where we are if we pick top 8.

Bedard has himself on a tier all by himself.

Carlsson, Fantilli and Michkov compose the next tier.

Then you have the tier of Smith, Yager, Cristall and Benson.

Then hopefully the Florida pick is in the Sale, Dvorsky etc. tier at minimum.
 
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I feel bad that I didn't have a chance to watch WCJ. I wonder how Fantalli, Carlsson and Dvorsky were doing. It seems that they are very far from Bedard, the gap between them seems huge, right ?
 
zzoo said:
I feel bad that I didn't have a chance to watch WCJ. I wonder how Fantalli, Carlsson and Dvorsky were doing. It seems that they are very far from Bedard, the gap between them seems huge, right ?
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Bedard separated himself from the pack.

Fantilli struggled at first as he seemingly tried to match Bedard play for play, and it's apparent at this point he is not in Bedard's league as far as processing the play. Also found he had trouble with his one timer, something he will need to rectify in the NHL. As he simplified his game, it became clear he's a tremendous North-South player with one of the best size/speed/skill combos in recent memory. I think he projects as a top-line PWF, with his upside being a true No. 1 centre who can play in all situations; huge fan.

Carlsson had a better tourney than Fantilli and he is better with the puck at this point, possibly the second best after Bedard in this draft even. Much like Fantilli, he got better as the tournament went along. Love his potential as a No. 1 centre as well, not as dynamic as Fantilli but appears to have a better understanding of his options and could be a tremendous possession player at the next level.

Dvorsky also had a good showing but was the weakest overall out of these three and honestly, I'm not as hyped as some others. He's really good when he has space as he rarely makes a noticeably bad decision with the puck, but without space I worry his lack of separation speed or high end creativity will hinder his upside. If he can improve his stride over the summer, I'm willing to eat my words as I do think his "IQ" and especially his shot are good enough to become a core player on an NHL outfit; as of right now, I do not view him as a top 15 prospect.
 
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zzoo said:
I feel bad that I didn't have a chance to watch WCJ. I wonder how Fantalli, Carlsson and Dvorsky were doing. It seems that they are very far from Bedard, the gap between them seems huge, right ?
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It was always huge.. just without putting Bedard directly against his competition, people could trick themselves into thinking it was close.

Fantilli showed that he has all the physical tools to be a NHLer, the question continues to be.. does he have the hockey IQ to elevate those around him? He's very toolsy but the tool-box remains in question of whether he's a 60-70 pt power center/winger or a legitimate threat to be PPG down the middle.

Carlsson was ill for most of the tournament but showed that he's a highly intelligent center with all the skills you want. Elite playmaker, elite thinker, good finisher when he shoots. Energy levels were low and skating is fine but not great.

Dvorsky was a disappointment for me, didn't show he could be a top line player.. more of a complimentary guy. He's strong, good in puck protection, good on the draw, a strong shooter.. but low creativity, low playmaking skills, IQ in the offensive zone is limited to an inside game with low manipulation and his hands are not great so zone exits and entries aren't fluid.
 
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GlassesJacketShirt said:
Bedard separated himself from the pack.

Fantilli struggled at first as he seemingly tried to match Bedard play for play, and it's apparent at this point he is not in Bedard's league as far as processing the play. Also found he had trouble with his one timer, something he will need to rectify in the NHL. As he simplified his game, it became clear he's a tremendous North-South player with one of the best size/speed/skill combos in recent memory. I think he projects as a top-line PWF, with his upside being a true No. 1 centre who can play in all situations; huge fan.

Carlsson had a better tourney than Fantilli and he is better with the puck at this point, possibly the second best after Bedard in this draft even. Much like Fantilli, he got better as the tournament went along. Love his potential as a No. 1 centre as well, not as dynamic as Fantilli but appears to have a better understanding of his options and could be a tremendous possession player at the next level.

Dvorsky also had a good showing but was the weakest overall out of these three and honestly, I'm not as hyped as some others. He's really good when he has space as he rarely makes a noticeably bad decision with the puck, but without space I worry his lack of separation speed or high end creativity will hinder his upside. If he can improve his stride over the summer, I'm willing to eat my words as I do think his "IQ" and especially his shot are good enough to become a core player on an NHL outfit; as of right now, I do not view him as a top 15 prospect.
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Thanks for the input.
So, the 2nd to 4th picks will be among Fantalli, Carlsson and Michkov (not in this order) ? They are projected to be better than Slafkovsky, right ? Let's say that if Slaf is available in 2023 draft, would you pick them before Slaf ?
After Fantalli, Carlsson and Michkov, we fall into another lower tier ?

I have a feeling that Michkov will fall further, like Yurov was ranked top 10 but picked at 24th.
 
SupRocket said:
To me, Dvorsky seems like a boring pick with limited star potential. With 2 lottery picks and a team that is nowhere close to start winning, I would rather user these two picks on forwards with game breaking potential. Especially in this draft.
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I don't mind Dvorsky with the Florida pick as a compliment to a highly skilled forward with the Habs pick.

But I'd probably want to go in a different direction as well. If you nail the center position with Suzuki, Dach, Beck and PLD/Yager/Smith/Carlsson/Fantilli.. then you might as well look for a highly skilled winger like Sale or Cristall with the Florida pick.

zzoo said:
Thanks for the input.
So, the 2nd to 4th picks will be among Fantalli, Carlsson and Michkov (not in this order) ? They are projected to be better than Slafkovsky, right ? Let's say that if Slaf is available in 2023 draft, would you pick them before Slaf ?
After Fantalli, Carlsson and Michkov, we fall into another lower tier ?

I have a feeling that Michkov will fall further, like Yurov was ranked top 10 but picked at 24th.
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Slafkovsky doesn't enter the conversation until pick 5, correct.
 
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SupRocket said:
To me, Dvorsky seems like a boring pick with limited star potential. With 2 lottery picks and a team that is nowhere close to start winning, I would rather user these two picks on forwards with game breaking potential. Especially in this draft.
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100% agree with you.

In an ideal world, Dvorsky could be a good two-way C on the second line, with the shot to do damage on the power play. Outside of the shot though, I think having Suzuki and Beck (and even Farrell) in the organization eliminates a lot of the organizational benefits Dvorsky would provide to the squad.

If Dvorsky had one more element to his game that stood out then I could have all the time in the world for those who think of him as a top 10 (or in a few instances, top 5) pick, and I will concede he is a younger player in this draft.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
I don't mind Dvorsky with the Florida pick as a compliment to a highly skilled forward with the Habs pick.

But I'd probably want to go in a different direction as well. If you nail the center position with Suzuki, Dach, Beck and PLD/Yager/Smith/Carlsson/Fantilli.. then you might as well look for a highly skilled winger like Sale or Cristall with the Florida pick.



Slafkovsky doesn't enter the conversation until pick 5, correct.
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Which is not an insult to Slaf, they’re all high end.
 
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I'm not convinced Dvorsky has high end offensive skills. I like his determination and his size, but I don't think he's a top 10 pick in this draft.

Rather take a shot at a guy like Yager who has an elite attribute.
 
zzoo said:
Thanks for the input.
So, the 2nd to 4th picks will be among Fantalli, Carlsson and Michkov (not in this order) ? They are projected to be better than Slafkovsky, right ? Let's say that if Slaf is available in 2023 draft, would you pick them before Slaf ?
After Fantalli, Carlsson and Michkov, we fall into another lower tier ?

I have a feeling that Michkov will fall further, like Yurov was ranked top 10 but picked at 24th.
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Fantilli and Carlsson will be in the top 4 unless the teams who are in that range happen to fall in love with other players. Both of them are examples of relatively low-risk, high reward prospects.

Michkov could go anywhere in the 2-10 range.

As for Slafkovsky, I agree with WTK and say he'd start at 5 or 6 as far as consideration goes. Top 4 are on another level and I'll be honest, I love Cristall like a simp and I'd still veer in his direction over Slafkovsky. I'm also certain at least 30 of 32 NHL teams would never even consider that as realistic.
 
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SupRocket said:
To me, Dvorsky seems like a boring pick with limited star potential. With 2 lottery picks and a team that is nowhere close to start winning, I would rather user these two picks on forwards with game breaking potential. Especially in this draft.
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I agree. if there's a player who may be less safe but higher offensive potential, shoot for moon. I don't like safe picks this high

Skip Bayless said:
I love me some fresh prince, but I think he's going top 5.
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I hope he hasn't watched any Alexander Semin fight videos
 
We definitely need a 3rd 1st round to draft a D. Florida's pick might be low enough to get another of the high end forwards.

Another pick in the 20-26 range and we should be able to grab Strbak.

Not a great D class. 2024 looks pretty heavy with D though.
 
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