2023 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

[Canucks LB]

If we pick in the 11+ Range, I would be completely fine with them trading down, or trading the pick for a top 4 defenceman, since they are not rebuilding anyway.

It’s kind of crazy that my list in my head, has not changed at all in the last couple months.

The only person I’ve been more high on has been reinbacher and moore.

Moore mostly because everything I see from him, the dynamic skating, you can’t teach that

 

[Gstank]

I think Simashev would be a better pick - maybe trade down and grab another 2nd?

But is he a Milstien Client? kidding aside Simashev is the type of Dman we need. But I dont think this organization will look favorably on Russians who arent Milestien Clients because I think that having him as an agent indicates that the player wants to play in the NHL or NA.

I would be shocked if we drafted a Russian from Russia who wasnt represented by Gold Star

 

[me2]

The window in the next 4 years, the pick likely won't be anything that matters during that time. Trade it.

 

[Gstank]

I want Columbus or Sanjose to win the Draft Lottery. I feel like both those Franchise could do with Franchise Caliber player and I wouldnt feel jealous for them. Chicago, and Arizona can GTFO. Anahiem Im imparcel to as Bedard would probably make them better then the Canucks for a forseeable future but It would be great for growing the game

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

The window in the next 4 years, the pick likely won't be anything that matters during that time. Trade it.

There’s no window.

Trading it would be f***ing stupid.

Just be spinning wheels on an average team.

 

[Munber1]

fifth in line just fell into my lap...but i threw away ANY chance of landing Bedard...for I am Tocchet...lord of the idiots

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

This false dichotomy is exhausting.

The Canucks tried to short on the Islanders, seemed to ascertain it was a failed pick, and got a good #3 with upside for what might end up being the 21st overall pick and a 2nd rounder.

This doesn't mean in anyway that we should trade our own first. We still need to have a consistent pipeline of prospects and we only have the very beginnings of one.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Just when you think that Detroit was duped in the Hronek trade, the Canucks pass them in the standings, giving Detroit the draft position to replace Hronek with Reinbacher.

 

[Canucks LB]

Just when you think that Detroit was duped in the Hronek trade, the Canucks pass them in the standings, giving Detroit the draft position to replace Hronek with Reinbacher.

Hronik is a very good player
Reinbacher could be a very good player

Canucks need to figure out the cap to make the hronik trade make more sense

 

[wetcoast]

I've basically given up on Draft Watch for this club. Let's get real. We all know they're trading the 2023 1st anyway, in a desperate attempt to add a player that'll help get them to the playoffs.

The sad state of this franchise is that 8th in the West is their Stanley Cup. They'll sacrifice anything to get there. I fully expect more draft picks going out and an OEL buyout.

Man I'm still hurting from the NYI pick and our second going to the Wings with guys like Ritchie and a decent Dman prospect with that 2nd but at least we got our 2016 draft Dman on the team now.

All that being said I also wouldn't be surprised that they do trade their first since under Rick Tocchet they showed that they will be a playoff contender next year........then trade for some so so center man or heaven forbid yet another winger.

I thin Hronek will work out ok, but I am still annoyed that with a tiny bit of patience we could have easily walked out of the draft with Reinbacher and Dragicevic.

And a center prospect as well like Ritchie or Yager.

 

[wetcoast]

This false dichotomy is exhausting.

The Canucks tried to short on the Islanders, seemed to ascertain it was a failed pick, and got a good #3 with upside for what might end up being the 21st overall pick and a 2nd rounder.

This doesn't mean in anyway that we should trade our own first. We still need to have a consistent pipeline of prospects and we only have the very beginnings of one.

I don't disagree that Hronek is something but he is on the wrong team at the wrong time, our pipeline really needed those 2 picks as well as others squandered in the recent past.

The Canucks basically have to be perfect in their drafting and trading just to be more than a team that can get to the playoffs and be a team that is on the rise but they lack the depth of pieces and it all on a poorly built Benning foundation.

 

[Josepho]

I would be surprised if we traded it regardless, but I'd be absolutely floored if we traded it for a winger.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I hope to one day be able to see a draft where the Canucks actually make all their own picks.

 

[vancityluongo]

I hope to one day be able to see a draft where the Canucks actually make all their own picks.

i just hope we can have a stretch with more than one (1!) second round pick in five (5!!) years

as it currently stands, klimovich will be the only second rounder for the canucks between 2020-2024.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

It appears "your Vancouver Canucks" (actually owned and run by FA) will never change their drafting process of jettisoning picks and here is their probable rationale:

They clearly see the statistical success rate of draft picks below 20 as being a considerable risk (goodbye Islander's pick). equally, they don't appear to think that the difference in the statistical success rate between the 2nd and 3rd rounds is large enough to hold onto second-round picks (they just accumulated 3rd and 4th rounders in this draft).

Of course, all this is true historically, yet other teams, with decent amateur scouting, buck these trends and find their "Jason Robertson" in the second round every year.

Perhaps the Canucks amateur scouting gets a boot in the pants by Grannato because the old-school dinosaur scouts they have been employing appear to be doing a poor job, without any accountability.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I don't disagree that Hronek is something but he is on the wrong team at the wrong time, our pipeline really needed those 2 picks as well as others squandered in the recent past.

The Canucks basically have to be perfect in their drafting and trading just to be more than a team that can get to the playoffs and be a team that is on the rise but they lack the depth of pieces and it all on a poorly built Benning foundation.

So a player thats 3 years away is going to be on the right team at the right time..?..Who may or may not equal the value of a top 4 d man.

How many more prime years of EP,QH,TD,JTM are you willing to squander..?

 

[wetcoast]

So a player thats 3 years away is going to be on the right team at the right time..?..Who may or may not equal the value of a top 4 d man.

How many more prime years of EP,QH,TD,JTM are you willing to squander..?

We are already squandering it as our pipleine sucks and we are at the cap just not a good way to build a team long term.

The thing is that other teams have equal or better cores then the quality and quantity of depth coming up their systems.

I also wasn't a fan of the JTM signing either even with him here and Horvat we were out of the playoffs really early like usual.

 

[MS]

I don't disagree that Hronek is something but he is on the wrong team at the wrong time, our pipeline really needed those 2 picks as well as others squandered in the recent past.

The Canucks basically have to be perfect in their drafting and trading just to be more than a team that can get to the playoffs and be a team that is on the rise but they lack the depth of pieces and it all on a poorly built Benning foundation.

I don't think he could possibly be much more right team/right time.

He's a 25 year old high-minute RHD on a team with a mid-20s core whose biggest need was a similar-age high-minute RHD.

Other than this year's top-10 pick who can hopefully contribute soon, the pipeline right now is basically irrelevant to trying to build something around this group. That 2nd round pick isn't contributing any value until 2028 or so, if ever.

 

[credulous]

more temporarily embarassed stanley cup contender bullshit

the narrative that the team has no choice but to compete now is exactly what got the canucks one playoff series win in 10 years. everytime this team tries to take shortcuts to success it costs in time it will take them to get back to being a serious team

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

We are already squandering it as our pipleine sucks and we are at the cap just not a good way to build a team long term.

The thing is that other teams have equal or better cores then the quality and quantity of depth coming up their systems.

I also wasn't a fan of the JTM signing either even with him here and Horvat we were out of the playoffs really early like usual.

Having the best prospect pool is a guarantee of nothing...especially if you dont have any elite star players in it. (difference makers..the top 5%).

We're not 'building a team long term' here...we're retooling....The Canucks are not in the cycle of hoarding picks, and becoming winners of the best prospect pool...(the President of the team spelled that out in his opening press conference here).

 

[wetcoast]

I don't think he could possibly be much more right team/right time.

sure to some extnet as he does make the Canucks better but still not even a serious playoff contender.

He's a 25 year old high-minute RHD on a team with a mid-20s core whose biggest need was a similar-age high-minute RHD.

Sure we "need him" but to what end? Missing out on the playoffs or barely making it in?

Other than this year's top-10 pick who can hopefully contribute soon, the pipeline right now is basically irrelevant to trying to build something around this group. That 2nd round pick isn't contributing any value until 2028 or so, if ever.

I think both first rounders and the second rounder could help this team in 3 or 4 years but people are stuck on the we need to support this core...which is fine if we had actually drafted half decent and kept some of our higher picks instead of going for it.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

more temporarily embarassed stanley cup contender bullshit

the narrative that the team has no choice but to compete now is exactly what got the canucks one playoff series win in 10 years. everytime this team tries to take shortcuts to success it costs in time it will take them to get back to being a serious team

Given the ages, and the fact that our star players are really coming into their own right now tells you that a long term view just isnt in the cards.

If this current core doesnt work out, then by all means..we can move them out, and start again ...Bottom out, and hoard picks..(Arizona,Chicago).

 

[MS]

sure to some extnet as he does make the Canucks better but still not even a serious playoff contender.

Sure we "need him" but to what end? Missing out on the playoffs or barely making it in?

I think both first rounders and the second rounder could help this team in 3 or 4 years but people are stuck on the we need to support this core...which is fine if we had actually drafted half decent and kept some of our higher picks instead of going for it.

In my books it's either make deals like the Hronek trade or you're trading Petterson/Demko now. There's no middle ground here.

 

[wetcoast]

Having the best prospect pool is a guarantee of nothing...especially if you dont have any elite star players in it. (difference makers..the top 5%).

We're not 'building a team long term' here...we're retooling....The Canucks are not in the cycle of hoarding picks, and becoming winners of the best prospect pool...(the President of the team spelled that out in his opening press conference here).

I here what the team is saying but this team simply isn't that close it's a what if team.

What if EP becomes a top 3-5 center?

What if Pods becomes a solid 25 goal guy and legit top 6 guy?

What if someone, anyone other than Hughes/Honrek actually does anything other than placeholder on that back line.....what if EP the Dman version becomes something?

What if the Canucks actually don't fold like a cheap tent at the start of the season.

they also don't have to have the best prospects but they are a bottom feeder in terms of the pipeline and are at the salary cap and out of the playoffs again.

How many times do we need to see the same movie?

all we need is a summer of this.

Speculation: - Are The Canucks For Real This Time?

Just another year of fake news.

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Last season it was our outstanding group of forwards which has been mixed.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I here what the team is saying but this team simply isn't that close it's a what if team.

What if EP becomes a top 3-5 center?

What if Pods becomes a solid 25 goal guy and legit top 6 guy?

What if someone, anyone other than Hughes/Honrek actually does anything other than placeholder on that back line.....what if EP the Dman version becomes something?

What if the Canucks actually don't fold like a cheap tent at the start of the season.

they also don't have to have the best prospects but they are a bottom feeder in terms of the pipeline and are at the salary cap and out of the playoffs again.

How many times do we need to see the same movie?

all we need is a summer of this.

Speculation: - Are The Canucks For Real This Time?

Just another year of fake news.

forums.hfboards.com

Last season it was our outstanding group of forwards which has been mixed.

EP certainly looks to be tracking to be a top 5 NHL centre.

We can play the 'what if' game forever...I'm not guaranteeing anything, your suspicions of the team crapping the bed again in the first quarter are well earned.

I'm just telling you that the team is in a 'win now' cycle..Lets hope that the GM puts our elite core group in the best position to succeed.