Really? Philly is 4 points behind us with 5 games left. we are going to be drafting in the 8-11 spot before the lottery and that isnt a bad spot to be at all
2023 NHL Entry Draft Discussion
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TryamkinPleaseReturn
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I'm interested in Barlow. Not the highest skill level, but he's pretty good at everything. He reminds me a bit of Horvat actually. (Winger version). It's been speculated that he is close to a finished product but I wonder if he could actually improve his puck skills and his skating a little bit. He seems to have the hockey IQ and compete level, which are much more difficult to improve.
How would you guys rank Barlow, Yager, Dvorsky, and Danielson, in terms of preference?
How would you guys rank Barlow, Yager, Dvorsky, and Danielson, in terms of preference?
At the prospects' game, he was the best player on the ice. Having said that, the prospect's game was pretty horrible. No one was sharing the puck, and the players were trying to impress the 100 or so scouts in attendance with their strict adherence to selfishness.
BTW: Even Bedard looked pedestrian, as he rarely received a pass from anyone even when he was the obvious outlet.
At least Barlow was playing physical in this game. I would say his skating may be an issue though.
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2Cs and even 1Cs develop quickly (often peaking in their early to mid-20s). Not so with 3C, as it's traditionally understood. That position takes time to ripen much like dmen. Ideally, you've got to have size and mobility and high defensive IQ and be strong on the dot. Having those traits relative to your peers in major junior is light years away from NHL-level. Size takes time to build, defensive IQ and face off proficiency takes heavy reps at the professional level.
If I had to guess, Aatu Raty with year over year improvements in skating could grow into an ideal 3C in a couple of years. And he's what, a 2021 draft pick?
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His production in the top Swiss league is elite for a 17 year old defenseman. Albeit 15 years later, he produced at twice the rate Roman Josi did in that league when he was 17. Not sure why you would doubt he has the potential to be a top tier player.
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My list is posted so i wont put an order but i'm with you in really liking Barlow.
Mid season when i started doing a bunch of research and watching he came off as a man child that had advanced development and would beat goalies with a lot of one timers or quick hard shots from the circles or mid range. skating was strong but lacking gears and top end speed. Thought he was overrated due to being further ahead in strength and with his size. Had Sale Musty Leonard all ahead of him
As the season has gone along though i've seen a lot of growth in his game. A lot more give and go, different shot selections, has developed a really good quick snap off the rush and he's a crease crashing monster that is good on deflections and getting to rebounds which is massively underrated in scouting summaries. He's not a burner but i think his decently quick first 5 steps and powerful strides will be just fine as long as he continues to work at it. The growth also shows recognition development and smarts which is a good sign.
He's gonna play and score 20-30 IMO and it might be sooner than later which makes him very attractive and had me move him ahead of the aforementioned but not for just that reason. Mostly because he's able to do damage in a variety of ways and i love players that can create havoc and score in the crease area. Not that many really good ones in the NHL and if you get one they are very valuable to a PP and in disruption. The Horvat as a winger comp is a pretty good one.
Danielson i've dropped because i just dont see the hands and cycle abilities and i think he should be further ahead due to age. He's a beast off the rush though. I'm torn as i really like him. Musty is another that keeps getting better and is giving me some Matt Boldy vibes.
Lots of really good players you could argue up and down 8-18
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This is something someone would think having no idea who Reinbacher is.
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Barlow is honestly a great prospect, although I don’t think we are that far behind to select him, and I wouldn’t select him over Dvorsky or Yager either, and certainly wouldn’t draft anyone of those if Reinbacher is still on board.
I made an analysis report on Reinbacher in the main boards draft prospects section, and I’ve watched about 14 games in total of his. He’s got top 2 potential. The size, physicality, skating, elite hockey sense, offensive skill set, and the defensive awareness. An all around package. If somehow he falls to 7-9th overall, it must be the duty of management to select him, at all costs.
All things being equal or even somewhat close we need to target a top 6 centerman and Dmen in this draft, enough with the wingers already.
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(from SN rankings in march)
7. Colby Barlow, RW, Owen Sound Attack (OHL): Has built layers into his game from the start of the season, showing a path to quick development.
8. Ryan Leonard, RW, USNTDP: The window to project Leonard is quite clear based on him being one of the most physically developed players in this group.
9. Brayden Yager, C, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL): His goals are down compared to the same number of games played one season ago. Shot and release are still his best assets, though. Scouts are concerned if he will be able to drive play at the next level.
12. Nate Danielson, C, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL): A low maintenance player who can be trusted in all situations and relied upon to provide sustained offence.
26. Lukas Dragicevic, D, Tri-City Americans (WHL): A true rink rat whose offensive instincts are amongst the best-in-class. Skating is the concern amongst scouts.
19. Mikhail Gulyayev, D, Omsk (MHL): His KHL action was limited to early season looks. A player most impacted by not being able to play in the U18 worlds.
Out of these names, I wanna watch more clips, highlights, and maybe see some of them play a full game more, Maybe there is a gem here somewhere.
7. Colby Barlow, RW, Owen Sound Attack (OHL): Has built layers into his game from the start of the season, showing a path to quick development.
8. Ryan Leonard, RW, USNTDP: The window to project Leonard is quite clear based on him being one of the most physically developed players in this group.
9. Brayden Yager, C, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL): His goals are down compared to the same number of games played one season ago. Shot and release are still his best assets, though. Scouts are concerned if he will be able to drive play at the next level.
12. Nate Danielson, C, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL): A low maintenance player who can be trusted in all situations and relied upon to provide sustained offence.
26. Lukas Dragicevic, D, Tri-City Americans (WHL): A true rink rat whose offensive instincts are amongst the best-in-class. Skating is the concern amongst scouts.
19. Mikhail Gulyayev, D, Omsk (MHL): His KHL action was limited to early season looks. A player most impacted by not being able to play in the U18 worlds.
Out of these names, I wanna watch more clips, highlights, and maybe see some of them play a full game more, Maybe there is a gem here somewhere.
The fact that our AHL team seems to finally be developing serviceable NHL dmen, and having Gonchar/Foote as coaches at the NHL level, gives me hope that the org can take someone like Reinbacher and bring him to his full potential.
Hopefully we win the lottery and take the no brainer in Bedard, frankly I'm not convinced that a management group from this board could do worse than the Canucks management group we have right now or had under the Benning era.
Agreed.
It’s a lottery, however, with the exception of 2022 and 2021, I believe there’s been at least 1 lottery winner from 6th-9th overall, with 9th overall team twice jumping ahead.
Bedard or Fantilli, especially Bedard would accelerate this rebuild/retool/on the fly/lord knows what else to call this process, exponentially.
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I have Leonard really high in my very early ranking. He looks like a power forward sniper who does a bit of everything. Not big though, so it looks like a question of can he keep his play style at the next level.
Wow!....such a tragedy for any young person in his teens to come to grips with. Sadly, the elder Michkov won't be with us to see his son drafted into the NHL--always a proud moment for any father.
We debate players, goals, assists and points, but then life rises up and smacks us in the face with a reminder that hockey really is a pretty trivial matter.
I just hope young Matvei Michkov is surrounded by people who care for him.
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There seems to be a trend of players looking more developed than their peers busting, I'd be a little weary of Barlow. Also Fantilli (although that's a controversial take)
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Barlow to me would be the worst-case scenario. He has heavy feet and looks like a good skater but will never be anything more than average in the NHL. His on-puck hockey iq is very concerning his main default is to always just shoot the puck and doesn't look for the better option. His passing and offensive creativity is not good and will limit his offensive output in the NHL. He does play a heavy game and is probably the best player in the draft at moving without the puck in the offensive zone and finding soft spots. Not much of a puck retriever and kind of likes to let his teammates do the work while he is the trigger man. Haven't seen a ton of growth. Musty who I have ahead of Barlow has seen a lot more growth throughout the season and I think has the more attractive skill set. If you want a winger, take Sale, Leonard, and Musty, they are all better.
I also, think people are forgetting Sale and how high he is going to go, especially if he has another big U18-WJC, same with Dvorsky. Sale has been a mainstay in a lot of people's top 8 and I expect Mckenzie's list to have him top 8 again.
Look out for Simashev he has everything you want in defencemen the only real knock was his production and he is finally putting up points. 7 in the last 10 games and 8 of those games were playoff games.
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We still play Hawks, Ducks, Coyotes. Thats 3 free wins.
Capitals may not win another game for the rest of the year
Red wings play Sabres, Pens, Stars, Canes, Lightning
Blues play Rangers, Wild, Stars, Stars. They may not win again either.
There is no lock yet.
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