Bleach Clean
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It’s not one, VAN has been re-tooling for some time (management change withstanding). Their pipeline is non-existent because of it. The Hronek trade is just the latest of that line.
2023 NHL Entry Draft Discussion
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It’s not one, VAN has been re-tooling for some time (management change withstanding). Their pipeline is non-existent because of it. The Hronek trade is just the latest of that line.
SelltheTeamFrancesco
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I remember a time in the draft discussion thread where we used to actually talk about draft prospects. In 2017 we had 7 or something parts. Good times.
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I think dvosky and sale are the two guys more than anyone that could use a really good U18 tournament. And both will be basically the sole offensive drivers on their team. Nice that they will be going head to head in game 1.
I'm totally fine with them trading the pick for the right return if they can get a U25 impact player back who fits a need.
But it's certainly not an automatic thing. We aren't doing the Benning thing here where we just throw everything on the wall to try and get to 16th place.
And a top-10 pick in this draft - unlike other picks and futures - is pretty highly likely to be an ELC-contributing asset in 2-3-4 years from now. So it fits the process and the timeline and you don't move it unless you're hitting a home run.
You also have to measure need vs. cost vs. options. The UFA market for RHD was barren and the amount of U25 heavy-minute RHD is tiny so paying a premium for that asset to fill our biggest need made sense. We need a LHD ... but if you think you can sign a Gavrikov for free it doesn't exactly make a ton of sense to be trading a huge-value pick for a similar-level player. Same with the 3C issue where there are a lot of options available in the UFA market and it doesn't make a ton of sense to make that sort of trade as a result.
And you can't just trade every future for a load of players because there's no way to squeeze that under the cap.
The sad thing from a Canuck perspective is that it isn't just Bedard at the top of this draft. There's a bunch of really good centers likely to go in the top-five--Fantilli, Carlson and even Will Smith.
And the Canucks will likely miss out on all of them. If only they'd kept Boudreau until the end of season, there's no telling how low we'd have been drafting.
And the Canucks will likely miss out on all of them. If only they'd kept Boudreau until the end of season, there's no telling how low we'd have been drafting.
sandwichbird2023
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I always found Craig's list interesting, well I find all draft lists interesting. I'm obviously hoping for a C or RSD or even a LSD is good, but there are so many wingers that has intriguing potential.
Craig's List: Adam Fantilli, Leo Carlsson jostle for 2nd behind Connor Bedard in NHL Draft ranking | TSN
Regina Pats centre Connor Bedard is the runaway favourite to be selected No. 1 overall in June, but the No. 2 spot is open for discussion according to TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button.www.tsn.ca
Craig's list dropped it's always an interesting read.
Personally, I'm leaning towards drafting for the "most valuable position" at our pick range (probably #10-14), so RHD or C, then LHD, then winger then goalie last. But if a player like Benson or Sale or Michkov(!) falls to us, you kind of have to take them, right? The only highly ranked winger I steer clear from is Cristall.
How sick would it be to walk out of the draft with Michkov despite our massive win rate to end the season!
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I won’t carry on too much in the draft thread. Good response.
I’m not saying use it to acquire Sven Baertschi. Obviously I’m suggesting moving it for a good player….like Hronek.
Isn’t the Tampa model you were supportive of when they acquired Jeannot exactly what you’re saying cannot be done in your last sentence?
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Pretty sure they are talking about Juraj Slafkovský. As he played for TPS and at the World Championships.
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Dvorsky will be a third liner at best. He put up 14 points in 38 games in the AIK and zero in the playoffs in his draft year when Pettersson had 41 in 43 games and 2ppg in the playoffs. The only reason he gets so much attention in his size.
I haven't watched Dvorsky, but that seems like an unfair comparison. You are talking about a player who the next season broke records. A player people here are calling better than to HHOF, and asking if he is better than Forsberg.
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Seriously disagree. We can't afford any more salary. We are already in cap hell. trading draft picks for immediate help for a mediocre team is insanity. We have a crappy prospect pool, we keep trading draft picks to stretch for the playoffs. Miller gets a big raise, Kuzmenko gets a big raise, we have to sign Kravtsov and Bear this summer, and next year we have to sign EP and Hronek. Cap friendly has us at $101M next year, we have to cut over $10M out of our budget. And you want to trade a draft pick to bring in another player?
Edit - for some reason this didnt post properly. sorry. But anyone talking about retooling without taking into account the fact we are screwed cap wise is just dumb. Do not trade picks. Hronek may be a very good player for the Canucks, but how the hell are we going to shed $10M in salary this summer? And how are we going to pay EP and Hronek?
Edit - for some reason this didnt post properly. sorry. But anyone talking about retooling without taking into account the fact we are screwed cap wise is just dumb. Do not trade picks. Hronek may be a very good player for the Canucks, but how the hell are we going to shed $10M in salary this summer? And how are we going to pay EP and Hronek?
@ChilliBilly No, I don't want them to trade picks or add salary. My views of where the team is going, and my assessment of the club (considering their cap situation, draft pick deficit, and barren prospect pool), have been made pretty clear here throughout various threads. Just ask @racerjoe
But I don't run the team. Management has clearly chosen the direction they are moving in. It's playoffs or bust. Wild Card spot is the Stanley Cup. Maybe they can do better than that. Given that is the direction, draft picks are simply less valuable to this club. Converting the 2023 1st into a young-ish, hopefully cost-controlled impact player, is more aligned with the direction of the team than actually using the selection.
But I don't run the team. Management has clearly chosen the direction they are moving in. It's playoffs or bust. Wild Card spot is the Stanley Cup. Maybe they can do better than that. Given that is the direction, draft picks are simply less valuable to this club. Converting the 2023 1st into a young-ish, hopefully cost-controlled impact player, is more aligned with the direction of the team than actually using the selection.
They aren’t $10MM over the cap. I suspect you aren’t using the correct number of contracts and also clearly not counting LTIR
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The thread is taking revenge on you for extending what has been a lengthy off-topic discussion that finally seemed to be going away until you revived it. @bossram @DonnyNucker
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they're 1.5m over before bonus overages with 19 players signed. they probably need to cut ~10m in salary if they hope to add any free agents
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Hmmm. off topic? This is the draft thread, and my comment is basically don't trade it for a player they can't afford. Where else would I post this?
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Sorry not fully aware of the status of Mikeyev, Poolman and Pearson. I was expecting them all to be back next fall. Ferland is off the books this summer.
And I am sick of the Canucks using draft picks to get rid of FA salary that they were stupid enough to sign or trade for that is choking this team. Myers was a bad signing. OEL was a extremely dumb trade. Etc.
I don’t believe Poolman and Pearson are coming back. If they can dump Boeser they should have cap to add a defensmen at least. They have 3 anchor contracts they need to deal with.
As this is the draft thread won't continue much here but to say yes you have made your thoughts clear.
In terms of draft pick value, I don't think they are less valuable to us. Just they should be looked at as currency. @andora made a good post about this with Tampa somewhere.
Yeah, I'm fully expecting Pearson and Poolman to be LTIR cases. Pearson's situation sounds horrible and guys just don't come back from missing 1.5 years due to concussions like Poolman has.
They basically need to move Myers and one big winger contract (preferably Boeser), whether they have takers and can get value or have to do a small retain and add a pick or whatever. It should be totally doable. And if not Boeser, then Garland.
If they actually buy out OEL, more the better.
They aren’t on LTIR in the summer. $85m already committed. They can only go to $91.8m in the summer.
There is definitely a cap crunch. They will need to sort out quite a bit ahead of July 1st to even be in on a top 4 dman target (bare minimum imo will need $6.5m AAV).
Yes they will get relief during the season but I also think dumping and not having to take any salary back for the lines of Myers, Boeser, and Garland is extremely wishful. It cost a 2024 2nd rounder to dump Dickinson.
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Don't you see the contradiction in the highlighted sentence? This is a thread for discussing the draft. Trading picks is a management topic. There are at least two very fine threads for discussing trades, the Management thread and the Fantasy GM thread.
To be fair, we go off topic all over the place and usually wind up discussing management. However, there are only a few threads that I would love to keep management free, this being one and the prospects thread the other.
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Obviously there's a crunch. But those guys also aren't Dickinson. There was apparently interest a month back on Boeser but teams wanted us to retain or take a bad contract - situation might be fluid now as Boeser has had a nice finish (statistically at least) to the season and will probably end up setting a career high in points. Garland at worst I'd think you'd need to move a pretty small asset or retain a small amount.
Myers' salary vs. cap situation is very unusual and it's hard to gauge. I *think* he should be moveable to the right team at a negligible cost either way.
Also it turned out that Stillman actually carried decent value so if Bloom is worth a 3rd? 4th? the cost was the downgrade from a 2nd to a pick of that value.
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