Toggle sidebar

2023 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
FYI, there is off-season LTIR if needed.

Can LTIR be used in the off-season?​

Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.

At the start of the season the teams LTIR relief & ACSL is recalculated when the 10% cushion is removed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CanucksMJL, CanuckCity, 4Twenty and 1 other person
If we want surplus value with this pick within our self-imposed "compete" time frame (next 3ish seasons), we need to pick a forward. Generally, forwards can come in and produce at a decent rate earlier than a D.

Most of the F in our range are either wingers (which we already have too many, not even a spot for Pod and Hog most of the time here), and offensive C (Smith, Moore, Yager). Reinbacher has pro-experience as well and might be able to play next season, but D generally takes longer to make an impact (plus he should be long gone by the time we make our selection). With one of our need being a defensively responsible 3C, does it make sense for us to bypass some better talent and go with a more well-rounded C like Dvorsky?

Normally I wouldn't even consider this, but with our specific situation and mandate, keeping this pick and taking a D that probably won't be in the lineup until 2025 wouldn't help convince Petey to stay, nor would another winger that basically wouldn't play higher than L3. I can see Dvorsky playing as early as next season in a 3C role (not saying its the right decision, but I can see him there), he might be the player the team targets. At around our range (#11-14ish), I wouldn't hate the pick, but I don't think I would love it either.
 
  • Like
Reactions: PuckMunchkin
In the latest draft rankings from Sportsnet, David Reinbacher is listed as the 11th pick.....somewhere close to where the Canucks will likely be drafting.

Another right shot d-man, with top-four upside., A 'no brainer' for the Canucks if he's still available.
 
  • Like
Reactions: wetcoast, SiZ and Vector
myrocketsgotcracked said:
If we want surplus value with this pick within our self-imposed "compete" time frame (next 3ish seasons), we need to pick a forward. Generally, forwards can come in and produce at a decent rate earlier than a D.

Most of the F in our range are either wingers (which we already have too many, not even a spot for Pod and Hog most of the time here), and offensive C (Smith, Moore, Yager). Reinbacher has pro-experience as well and might be able to play next season, but D generally takes longer to make an impact (plus he should be long gone by the time we make our selection). With one of our need being a defensively responsible 3C, does it make sense for us to bypass some better talent and go with a more well-rounded C like Dvorsky?

Normally I wouldn't even consider this, but with our specific situation and mandate, keeping this pick and taking a D that probably won't be in the lineup until 2025 wouldn't help convince Petey to stay, nor would another winger that basically wouldn't play higher than L3. I can see Dvorsky playing as early as next season in a 3C role (not saying its the right decision, but I can see him there), he might be the player the team targets. At around our range (#11-14ish), I wouldn't hate the pick, but I don't think I would love it either.
Click to expand...

There isn't a player in our range that will make an impact in 2024. Who is our top D prospect under the age of 22? Kirill? We can't score our way to the cup. Take BPA obviously but if both are equal then I'd take the D.
 
myrocketsgotcracked said:
If we want surplus value with this pick within our self-imposed "compete" time frame (next 3ish seasons), we need to pick a forward. Generally, forwards can come in and produce at a decent rate earlier than a D.

Most of the F in our range are either wingers (which we already have too many, not even a spot for Pod and Hog most of the time here), and offensive C (Smith, Moore, Yager). Reinbacher has pro-experience as well and might be able to play next season, but D generally takes longer to make an impact (plus he should be long gone by the time we make our selection). With one of our need being a defensively responsible 3C, does it make sense for us to bypass some better talent and go with a more well-rounded C like Dvorsky?

Normally I wouldn't even consider this, but with our specific situation and mandate, keeping this pick and taking a D that probably won't be in the lineup until 2025 wouldn't help convince Petey to stay, nor would another winger that basically wouldn't play higher than L3. I can see Dvorsky playing as early as next season in a 3C role (not saying its the right decision, but I can see him there), he might be the player the team targets. At around our range (#11-14ish), I wouldn't hate the pick, but I don't think I would love it either.
Click to expand...

I've said it before multiple times here but I have a strong feeling Dvorsky is our pick. Everything about him screams like this management's pick - big center with good work ethic. They can probably spin it as a Bo replacement

Safe pick but wouldn't be my pick personally, I think his ceiling is too low
 
DFAC said:
I've said it before multiple times here but I have a strong feeling Dvorsky is our pick. Everything about him screams like this management's pick - big center with good work ethic. They can probably spin it as a Bo replacement

Safe pick but wouldn't be my pick personally, I think his ceiling is too low
Click to expand...
I don't really think we know if management has a "type" yet, but FWIW in this video at 2:40 Allvin suggests that the skill level is way more important than the work ethic.

 
  • Like
Reactions: CanuckCity
DFAC said:
I've said it before multiple times here but I have a strong feeling Dvorsky is our pick. Everything about him screams like this management's pick - big center with good work ethic. They can probably spin it as a Bo replacemement
Safe pick but wouldn't be my pick personally, I think his ceiling is too low
Click to expand...
Dvorsky or Danielsson. Both are very coachable players with who project as at least 3C and could potentially be high end 2Cs. Those are the two player I would be forcusing in on in the 8-12 range. I do think Managment will look to trade down to acquire a 2nd or a low 1st though especially if they see the draft in the following tiers 1 2-4 5-8 9-15
 
Icebreakers said:
There isn't a player in our range that will make an impact in 2024. Who is our top D prospect under the age of 22? Kirill? We can't score our way to the cup. Take BPA obviously but if both are equal then I'd take the D.
Click to expand...
I can certainly see a couple high scoring wingers that can score 40+ points as soon as next season in the right situation. But those guys won't move the needle for us since we don't have any opening on W.

A D is great if you are trying to build a long term winner. That isn't what we are going for though. The management team clearly see next season as playoff or bust. We need to convince EP to stay at all cost, so we don't have time to wait around for a few years before this pick makes an impact, he has to contribute like next season.
 
DFAC said:
If Michkov is there do you pass on him to draft a center? I sure hope not
Click to expand...

I don't actually think they should limit themselves by position. Take whoever is best at their spot, things change so much you can't have that Jim Benning style of thinking.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Coffee, MarkMM and DFAC
I tend to look at it in tiers (* are players i deem high risk to achieve the position)

1 Generational - Bedard
2 Franchise - Fantilli Carlsson

3 All Star F 1D - Michkov Smith Reinbacher
4 Top Line player - Benson

5 2C top3 D - Moore Yager Dvorsky Simashev
6 Top6F top4D - Barlow Musty Leonard Heidt Sale Dragicevic *Sandin *Cristall

7 Top9F top 6D - Danielson Sawchyn Ritchie Wood Stenberg etc
 
  • Like
Reactions: Coffee, ChilliBilly and racerjoe
sting101 said:
I tend to look at it in tiers (* are players i deem high risk to achieve the position)

1 Generational - Bedard
2 Franchise - Fantilli Carlsson

3 All Star F 1D - Michkov Smith Reinbacher
4 Top Line player - Benson

5 2C top3 D - Moore Yager Dvorsky Simashev
6 Top6F top4D - Barlow Musty Leonard Heidt Sale Dragicevic *Sandin *Cristall

7 Top9F top 6D - Danielson Sawchyn Ritchie Wood Stenberg etc
Click to expand...

IMO this is how you should look at drafts. Drafts generally never go the way people think with a census top 9 or whatever it might be. When we drafted Podz, he was supposed to be in that top tier people spoke of. In a rear draft would it be the same? Probably not.
 
  • Like
Reactions: sting101
sting101 said:
I tend to look at it in tiers (* are players i deem high risk to achieve the position)

1 Generational - Bedard
2 Franchise - Fantilli Carlsson

3 All Star F 1D - Michkov Smith Reinbacher
4 Top Line player - Benson

5 2C top3 D - Moore Yager Dvorsky Simashev
6 Top6F top4D - Barlow Musty Leonard Heidt Sale Dragicevic *Sandin *Cristall

7 Top9F top 6D - Danielson Sawchyn Ritchie Wood Stenberg etc
Click to expand...
Michkov belongs on the Franchise tier.
 
  • Like
Reactions: wetcoast, ChilliBilly, DFAC and 3 others
Gracyn Sawchyn is criminally underrated
I went to the CHL Top Prospects game all excited to finally see Bedard live, but Sawchyn completely stole the show. He was the best player and it wasn't remotely close, then I looked more into him and couldn't believe he barely had any posts about him on this site. He seems to be in a smaller role on a stacked team which may be why he doesn't get as much hype as other guys.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SelltheTeamFrancesco and Nucker101
EdJovanovski said:
Gracyn Sawchyn is criminally underrated
I went to the CHL Top Prospects game all excited to finally see Bedard live, but Sawchyn completely stole the show. He was the best player and it wasn't remotely close, then I looked more into him and couldn't believe he barely had any posts about him on this site. He seems to be in a smaller role on a stacked team which may be why he doesn't get as much hype as other guys.
Click to expand...
Yeah I think he is averaging like 13 mins a game which in junior is nothing. Still a ppg while players like Danielson and Yager are barely above ppg and their teams are centered around them. He has been moving up my list. His even strength point totals are pretty close to both Yager and Danielson. He is pretty raw, he will need to fill out especially in his legs because his skating is good but he does not have a very powerful stride.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Nucker101 and EdJovanovski
sting101 said:
Maybe so...it can be picked apart and fine tuned just where i'm at right now but continue to digest more material and playoffs and U18 will add even more
Click to expand...
Fair enough. Just so you know, Michkov for a few seasons now has been putting up points at historic rates relative to his age and league. On offensive talent I think he is clearly above Fantilli and Carlsson.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MarkMM
Maintain their draft position and Canucks will have a chance to draft an actual centre or, my preferred option, Reinbacher. Stay in eighth and one of Will Smith, Brayden Yager, Dalibor Dvorsky, Nate Danielson, Oliver Moore, and David Reinbacher is guaranteed to be available.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Bitz and Bites
Out of us, Philadelphia, Detroit, Washington, and St Louis, we have the easiest schedule through the end. Philadelphia is up next while Detroit, St Louis, and Washington could easily lose all their games.

I don't think we can get any lower, hopefully we are solid at 8 thats not a bad spot
 
Hansen said:
Out of us, Philadelphia, Detroit, Washington, and St Louis, we have the easiest schedule through the end. Philadelphia is up next while Detroit, St Louis, and Washington could easily lose all their games.

I don't think we can get any lower, hopefully we are solid at 8 thats not a bad spot
Click to expand...

We could easily slip down to 11? We’re only 2 points back lol
 
Tocchet has stated that Demko and Delia are splitting the starts the rest of the way. There's still hope of moving up in the draft.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mathonwy
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom