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Rienbacher and Moore fall into that catagory of player that Canucks forums love but aren;t nearly as good as people on those boards think they are. There will be better options available at 8 regardless of where they are drafted

Moore is a 2/3C Reinbacher is a 3/4 D. there are quite a few more players with top line or at very least top 6potential available at 8
 
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Gstank said:
Rienbacher and Moore fall into that catagory of player that Canucks forums love but aren;t nearly as good as people on those boards think they are. There will be better options available at 8 regardless of where they are drafted

Moore is a 2/3C Reinbacher is a 3/4 D. there are quite a few more players with top line or at very least top 6potential available at 8
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Who are these mysterious players?
 
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Has anyone watched much of Eduard Sale? Similar production to Jiri Kulich and Martin Necas in the Czech league.

Not big and a winger though.
 
Benjamin Nushmutt said:
I'll wager two things:

He's not a "All Star F 1D"

I have watched more of him than 90% of this board.

But keep stat watching and drawing conclusions based off of group think instead of reality.

There's reason he's not ranked top 10 anywhere but to the ppl in this forum.
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I've watched him and not just stat watched, he's smooth and steady, doesn't need to be a 1D but has top pairing written all over him, and he's ranked high by people smarter than both of us.
 
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Calling it now. Michkov is falling to 8.

Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson are the clear-cut top 3

Benson and Smith will likely be playing in the NHL in the next 1-2 years, and they are still high-end players with significantly less risk.

There were rumours of Montreal not wanting to draft any Russians in 2022 due to the political situation. They drafted 11 players but 0 Russians. I could see them pass up on Michkov.

Arizona is the only wild-card as they might be willing to wait 3 years. But the organization might be looking to add someone who can make an impact sooner.

Philadelphia will be averse to drafting a Russian after the whole Fedotov situation.

Whoever gets the 8th overall pick (Vancouver/Washington/St.Louis/Detroit) will pick Michkov.
 
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Wandering Cynic said:
Calling it now. Michkov is falling to 8.

Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson are the clear-cut top 3

Benson and Smith will likely be playing in the NHL in the next 1-2 years, and they are still high-end players with significantly less risk.

There were rumours of Montreal not wanting to draft any Russians in 2022 due to the political situation. They drafted 11 players but 0 Russians. I could see them pass up on Michkov.

Arizona is the only wild-card as they might be willing to wait 3 years. But the organization might be looking to add someone who can make an impact sooner.

Philadelphia will be averse to drafting a Russian after the whole Fedotov situation.

Whoever gets the 8th overall pick (Vancouver/Washington/St.Louis/Detroit) will pick Michkov.
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But also, Washington is the Capital of the US, and with supporting Ukraine, they won't want to show any alliance with Russia by drafting a Russian player, and St. Louis' name is the Blues and Russians famously prefer jazz over blues music so St Louis won't want to cause any conflict there, and Detroit uses red in their logo, which is the colour associated with the USSR during the cold war era so they won't want to scare their fans with all that. So if Vancouver drafts after those teams, that will drop Michkov to 11th, coincidentally at Vancouver's spot! What luck that we will definitely 100% draft a top-4 talent this year!
 
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Has anyone watched much of Eduard Sale? Similar production to Jiri Kulich and Martin Necas in the Czech league.

Not big and a winger though.
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He reminds me of bigger, better skating Perfetti honestly. Minus is that he is underveloped physically, his biggest pluses is that he is extremely smart and has elite passing skills and vision, he is at least 2-3 years away. He has huge upside(could be superstar playmaker) but he is a project.
 
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Frostage said:
Has anyone watched much of Eduard Sale? Similar production to Jiri Kulich and Martin Necas in the Czech league.

Not big and a winger though.
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Not extensively but I've taken a peek or two before.

I'm not sure the listed size but he uses what he has well. It was typical for him to bump someone using his back with the puck on his stick - not wildly, but in a very controlled EP sort of manner to maintain a position in the play.

He has a really mature, intelligent game in how he handles contact while still reading the ice and that bodes well for him as top line winger but I don't see him as particularly dynamic in his skating or puckhandling.

I would peg him as a high-end top 6 complimentary winger with a pretty safe floor. He's a nice prospect but he seems a bit redundant with our teams strengths and last year's 1st.
 
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Not extensively but I've taken a peek or two before.

I'm not sure the listed size but he uses what he has well. It was typical for him to bump someone using his back with the puck on his stick - not wildly, but in a very controlled EP sort of manner to maintain a position in the play.

He has a really mature, intelligent game in how he handles contact while still reading the ice and that bodes well for him as top line winger but I don't see him as particularly dynamic in his skating or puckhandling.

I would peg him as a high-end top 6 complimentary winger with a pretty safe floor. He's a nice prospect but he seems a bit redundant with our teams strengths and last year's 1st.
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I could see him as someone like Voracek but with better goalscoring.
 
Gstank said:
Rienbacher and Moore fall into that catagory of player that Canucks forums love but aren;t nearly as good as people on those boards think they are. There will be better options available at 8 regardless of where they are drafted

Moore is a 2/3C Reinbacher is a 3/4 D. there are quite a few more players with top line or at very least top 6potential available at 8
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For me, Reinbacher is a commodity that this team needs but cannot be obtained otherwise. Its just that simple. Unless it really comes down to Michkov vs Reinbacher, I think the Canucks brass will pick him. 8 seem like a decent spot to reach on Reinbacher, even if some team like Montreal have the same need, their fans would riot if they go for a safe pick @6 over someone like a Smith.

In recent history, other than 1st overall, I believe the team drafted everywhere between 2-10 except 8. Time for them to finally draft that high pedigree RHD.
 
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ohnoeszz said:
That's actually a really nice comparison. I dont think Sale profiles to be as big but it's a decent style match while I was struggling to think of one.
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I wanted to compare him to Pastrnak(who was playmaker in his early seasons not goalscorer) without shot, but he is not as good dangly/flashy type of playmaker like Pastrnak was, but more of a passer like Voracek.
 
It remains so weird how fans (and most of these scouting services) looking at draft picks see a 5'11 skill defender with dynamic PP skills and think '#1 defender' and look at a 6'2 205 mobile high-IQ defensive defender putting up lots of ES points and think 'OK 2nd pairing guy' as though Tyson Barrie is a superstar and Jaccob Slavin and Hampus Lindholm play 19 minutes/game on a sheltered 2nd pairing.
 
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I see no issues with trading the pick if the trade better aligns with the Quinn Hughes to UFA window strategy which I believe the team is operating under.

They want to establish themselves as a team expected to make the playoffs every year before that point. Not a team that might make it if things go right.
 
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Nucker101 said:
I see no issues with trading the puck if the trade better aligns with the Quinn Hughes to UFA window strategy which I believe the team is operating under.

They want to establish themselves as a team expected to make the playoffs every year before that point. Not a team that might make it if things go right.
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I have no issues trading it either but it would have to be for an impact U23 player who is better and younger than Hronek ... and how many of those guys are actually available for draft picks? So I would think we'll probably just keep the pick because there won't be the market we want for it in order to move it.
 
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MS said:
I have no issues trading it either but it would have to be for an impact U23 player who is better and younger than Hronek ... and how many of those guys are actually available for draft picks? So I would think we'll probably just keep the pick because there won't be the market we want for it in order to move it.
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exactly. your either getting a high end older player who makes bank or a 24/25yr old about to. No team is going to give you 8-11 OA value for a bird in the hand at 20-23yrs old that is cost efficient.
 
By all accounts and measurements, this has been a borderline disastrous year for the Canucks. Even Boudreau was quoted at the start of the year is that it would be a 'disaster' if this team missed the post-season.

But if by some miracle the Canucks were win the lottery and draft Bedard, it would have to be considered a 'successful year'.
 
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exactly. your either getting a high end older player who makes bank or a 24/25yr old about to. No team is going to give you 8-11 OA value for a bird in the hand at 20-23yrs old that is cost efficient.
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There are also really only about 5 teams who would be looking to trade impact young/young-ish players for draft picks, and when you go through those rosters there really aren't many obvious targets.

You'd probably move the pick for a Kaiden Guhle or Mason McTavish but those teams aren't moving those guys. Nick Suzuki is a little older and maybe the closest sort of profile but Montreal isn't moving their captain. Andrew Peeke is interesting but his value isn't that high. JJ Moser is a terrific underrated player I'd be interested in but I don't think Arizona has much interest in moving him. And honestly, that's about it that I can see.
 
My take on Sale..... i was torn to not include him in the grouping i posted videos of. My issues are engagement, small area play and that he plays in 4th gear which is ok for a guy with his skillset and size against his peers but at the NHL level he will need to find a way to inject himself into games harder or will be a bit of a vanilla scoring winger. Musty Barlow and Leonard are superior in this regard and will be crease disruptors as well which you have to be to score a lot of goals in the NHL and why they are ahead for me.

I think his transition game off the rush should get him points but 1v1 battles the cycle and even PP situations i struggle to see a lot that i like. He likely projects out as a flank player on the PP and im not sure if he attacks the ice or has high end enough skills that make him that attractive there given who he's competing with on that spectrum. His current battle level and physicality is a negative. His edges in tight turns and turning up ice need work. His frame is a plus as are passing and a mid range wrist or snap shot.

From a tools standpoint i get the jack of all trades master of none vibe that i dislike from top prospects. Comparing to Kulich who you all know i was pounding the drum for last year from the Czech Extraliga he doesnt have the same pace/fire to his game or shooting prowess. With Kulich you could see an ultra compete from the first game i saw him play and a pace of play that would translate. His skating was technically sound just needed more power which is universal and his IQ would put him in a position to use his deadly shot.
 
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