2023 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

[Lindgren]

Top NHL prospect Matvei Michkov's father found dead in Russia

An investigation is reportedly underway in Russia after the body of Michkov, who was missing for two days, was discovered in a pond near Sochi.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Whoa! That's wild and horrible.

 

[Lindgren]

The Canucks could move their first in something other than a one-for-one deal.

They could pick up a younger centre and another asset, perhaps a veteran reliable d-man, or they could package the pick with a negative contract of some sort, so although the player coming back wouldn't be more than, say, a decent young third-line centre, there'd be the advantage of getting out of a bad deal (Boeser? Myers?)

One thing's for certain; they have to find a way of getting under the cap, and they don't have many assets with which to do it.

 

[Knight53]

Could see MTL going Dvorsky at 5/6 and PHI loves their size. Could see Smith/Benson falling to 8th/9th. Don’t see Reinbacher getting past Arizona.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Could see MTL going Dvorsky at 5/6 and PHI loves their size. Could see Smith/Benson falling to 8th/9th. Don’t see Reinbacher getting past Arizona.

If the top 3 go as planned then Smith goes 4 I could 100% see this or Sale, or maybe Barlow. I saw a month ago a Montreal reporter that was the first to say that Montreal really liked Slafkovsky and that was going to be their pick at one. Said besides the big 3 they have some bigger players really high on their draft board. Also, rumors are that the Sharks think really highly of Mitchkov.

 

[Gstank]

I know Honzek isnt rated to go this high but if he played the full season he would be a top 10 pick. Honzak is one of the guys who I think is underrated in this draft class.

Honzek and Danielsson are two players who I would keep an eye on as they might be late risers in the draft. That being said Dvorsky is the top name on my list at 8. I think as we get closer to the draft Wood, Honzek and Leonard are the types of players that tend to get over drafted because of their combination of size and skill. Players like Moore, Cristall, Smith and Benson are more likely to fall because they are undersized.

I dont see anyone in the top 8 taking a D and I believe the first D off the board should be Simashev. Who IMO is the only Dman in the top 5 who has the potential to be a #1 Dman.

I personally dont like Cristal, Barlow, Reinbacher I would be against taking any of those players at 8

Wood, Dvorsky, Danielsson and Honzek are the names I would be targeting at 8 with Benson, Smith and Michkov being the names I would pick if they are still on the board

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

All discussions will be moot when the Nucks finally get some luck, win 1 OV and select Bedard.

Getting Bedard is almost secondary to me compared to all the shit posters around here will have to do if we get Bedard. If I remember right, @Mr. Canucklehead will walk down his street naked and @valkynax will eat his keyboard. Am I missing any?

 

[Knight53]

If the top 3 go as planned then Smith goes 4 I could 100% see this or Sale, or maybe Barlow. I saw a month ago a Montreal reporter that was the first to say that Montreal really liked Slafkovsky and that was going to be their pick at one. Said besides the big 3 they have some bigger players really high on their draft board. Also, rumors are that the Sharks think really highly of Mitchkov.

Ana - Bedard
Chi - Fantilli
Cbj - Carlsson
Sj - Michkov
Mtl - Dvorsky/Smith
Ari - Reinbacher
Phi - Barlow/Leonard
Van - Benson/Moore

Could see it going down like this

 

[DFAC]

Ana - Bedard
Chi - Fantilli
Cbj - Carlsson
Sj - Michkov
Mtl - Dvorsky/Smith
Ari - Reinbacher
Phi - Barlow/Leonard
Van - Benson/Moore

Could see it going down like this

If we draft Benson at 8 thats an absolute steal.

Hoping for

ANA - Bedard
Chi - Fantilli
CBJ- Carlsson
SJ- Michkov
MTL- Smith
ARI - Reinbacher
PHI- Barlow
VAN- Benson

 

[valkynax]

Getting Bedard is almost secondary to me compared to all the shit posters around here will have to do if we get Bedard. If I remember right, @Mr. Canucklehead will walk down his street naked and @valkynax will eat his keyboard. Am I missing any?

Not eat my keyboard, but eat my keyboard with side of fava beans and a nice Chianti, get your facts straight!

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Could see MTL going Dvorsky at 5/6 and PHI loves their size. Could see Smith/Benson falling to 8th/9th. Don’t see Reinbacher getting past Arizona.

I mean who knows. If Reinbacher does fall, Canucks need to pick him. Oliver Moore is a great choice as well.

 

[arttk]

Top NHL prospect Matvei Michkov's father found dead in Russia

An investigation is reportedly underway in Russia after the body of Michkov, who was missing for two days, was discovered in a pond near Sochi.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Russia is scary, wtf

 

[Gstank]

You gotta think that Michkovs father sudden death has to do something with him possibly trying to defict from Russia next season. Putin making his message loud and clear

 

[Bitz and Bites]

Well then let's just take a 3rd round pick with the 8th overall!

Sometimes you gotta think outside the box!

Why not go all out and keep trading down from #8 to #65 and pick up extra thirds for doing it.
If you can average one third round pick for every 4 spot drop, you could have 14 third round picks by the time you got to that round. It’s a can’t lose proposition.

 

[ChilliBilly]

It's extremely weird to only be adamantly for/against trading the pick.

The only caveat I have is don't trade the pick period if you can't both make the team better and break even on salary. I mean even if we were offered a top 10 player with a $8M salary for the pick, I would say no.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Is it possible that "Tik Talkit" took the job because he is betting on the Canucks getting Bedard?

 

[sting101]

The only caveat I have is don't trade the pick period if you can't both make the team better and break even on salary. I mean even if we were offered a top 10 player with a $8M salary for the pick, I would say no.

unless they take back Myers Pearson and Poolman for Seth Jones and ......oh wait this seems familiar.

 

[MS]

This has been commented on before, but it's such a weird Mandala Effect here.

In the cap era :

- both times we missed the playoffs under Nonis we totally collapsed down the stretch when we were sitting in a playoff position at the All-Star break.

- the only time we missed the playoffs under Gillis was the Torts year where we totally collapsed to the #6 overall pick after being in the playoffs at the All-Star break.

- basically every year under Benning we started the year reasonably well and then totally shat the bed to close out the season.

The only two years we've actually played well and harmed our draft position are the last two, and last year's run started in December.

But it's like people set a baseline that we should go 5-25 over the last 30 games and if we go 10-20 OMG THE MEANINGLESS WINS HAVE SCREWED OUR DRAFT POSITION. 2016 is always the example used but we went 9-18-1 over the last 28 games which is a 54-point full-season pace in a year where 69 points finished last in the league. We sucked our way from about 10th to 5th in the draft down the stretch that season but somehow people act like we went on a huge run because we won 2 games in California at one point.

Prior to last year, the last time we actually mucked our draft position with a late run was in 1997. People wanting to look at late runs consistently *actually* ruining draft positions should look at the history of the Coyotes.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

This has been commented on before, but it's such a weird Mandala Effect here.

In the cap era :

- both times we missed the playoffs under Nonis we totally collapsed down the stretch when we were sitting in a playoff position at the All-Star break.

- the only time we missed the playoffs under Gillis was the Torts year where we totally collapsed to the #6 overall pick after being in the playoffs at the All-Star break.

- basically every year under Benning we started the year reasonably well and then totally shat the bed to close out the season.

The only two years we've actually played well and harmed our draft position are the last two, and last year's run started in December.

But it's like people set a baseline that we should go 5-25 over the last 30 games and if we go 10-20 OMG THE MEANINGLESS WINS HAVE SCREWED OUR DRAFT POSITION. 2016 is always the example used but we went 9-18-1 over the last 28 games which is a 54-point full-season pace in a year where 69 points finished last in the league. We sucked our way from about 10th to 5th in the draft down the stretch that season but somehow people act like we went on a huge run because we won 2 games in California at one point.

Prior to last year, the last time we actually mucked our draft position with a late run was in 1997. People wanting to look at late runs consistently *actually* ruining draft positions should look at the history of the Coyotes.

This comes from the canadian division season when the Canucks went 3-1 to close out the regular season *while the playoffs were happening*.

 

[MS]

This comes from the canadian division season when the Canucks went 3-1 to close out the regular season *while the playoffs were happening*.

They went 2-1-1 and their record in the last 15 was 4-10-1.

We absolutely shat the bed to close out the last month of that season. It's only if you set an unrealistic expectation of closing out the season 2-13 that you're bothered by this.

And if we had a slightly higher pick, we trade it to Arizona anyway and the pain of that deal is even more.

 

[pitseleh]

This has been commented on before, but it's such a weird Mandala Effect here.

In the cap era :

- both times we missed the playoffs under Nonis we totally collapsed down the stretch when we were sitting in a playoff position at the All-Star break.

- the only time we missed the playoffs under Gillis was the Torts year where we totally collapsed to the #6 overall pick after being in the playoffs at the All-Star break.

- basically every year under Benning we started the year reasonably well and then totally shat the bed to close out the season.

The only two years we've actually played well and harmed our draft position are the last two, and last year's run started in December.

But it's like people set a baseline that we should go 5-25 over the last 30 games and if we go 10-20 OMG THE MEANINGLESS WINS HAVE SCREWED OUR DRAFT POSITION. 2016 is always the example used but we went 9-18-1 over the last 28 games which is a 54-point full-season pace in a year where 69 points finished last in the league. We sucked our way from about 10th to 5th in the draft down the stretch that season but somehow people act like we went on a huge run because we won 2 games in California at one point.

Prior to last year, the last time we actually mucked our draft position with a late run was in 1997. People wanting to look at late runs consistently *actually* ruining draft positions should look at the history of the Coyotes.

I think perceptions are probably a bit clouded by focusing on one or two games right at the end of the season. I recall people losing their shit in 2006 because the Canucks won the last game of the season and pushed themselves down I think a couple of draft slots, outside of the perceived top-12. Think there have been one or two more instances of similar situations.

 

[sting101]

This has been commented on before, but it's such a weird Mandala Effect here.

In the cap era :

- both times we missed the playoffs under Nonis we totally collapsed down the stretch when we were sitting in a playoff position at the All-Star break.

- the only time we missed the playoffs under Gillis was the Torts year where we totally collapsed to the #6 overall pick after being in the playoffs at the All-Star break.

- basically every year under Benning we started the year reasonably well and then totally shat the bed to close out the season.

The only two years we've actually played well and harmed our draft position are the last two, and last year's run started in December.

But it's like people set a baseline that we should go 5-25 over the last 30 games and if we go 10-20 OMG THE MEANINGLESS WINS HAVE SCREWED OUR DRAFT POSITION. 2016 is always the example used but we went 9-18-1 over the last 28 games which is a 54-point full-season pace in a year where 69 points finished last in the league. We sucked our way from about 10th to 5th in the draft down the stretch that season but somehow people act like we went on a huge run because we won 2 games in California at one point.

Prior to last year, the last time we actually mucked our draft position with a late run was in 1997. People wanting to look at late runs consistently *actually* ruining draft positions should look at the history of the Coyotes.

Good research....or memory

So many of my buddies keep doing the "here we go again winning the garbage time cup" that i've started to believe it. Maybe it's more that since 2016 we have had so many let downs with our draft picks, free agency and trades that it has me psychologically expecting a mess from a great opportunity.

New regime though so?

 

[Bubbles]

03/22/2018	at	Chicago	5	2	Win		21,526	26-39-9	W1	0.373
03/23/2018	at	St. Louis	1	4	Loss		17,724	26-40-9	L1	0.368
03/25/2018	at	Dallas	4	1	Win		18,112	27-40-9	W1	0.376
03/27/2018	vs.	Anaheim	4	1	Win		18,405	28-40-9	W2	0.384
03/29/2018	vs.	Edmonton	2	1	Win		17,883	29-40-9	W3	0.392
03/31/2018	vs.	Columbus	5	4	Win	OT	18,865	30-40-9	W4	0.397
04/03/2018	vs.	Vegas	4	5	SOL	SO	18,865	30-40-10	L1	0.398
04/05/2018	vs.	Arizona	4	3	Win	OT	18,865	31-40-10	W1	0.402
04/07/2018	at	Edmonton	2	3	SOL	SO	18,347	31-40-11	L1	0.402

I guess someone forgot about 2018.

03/13/2019	vs.	NY Rangers	4	1	Win		18,225	29-32-9	W1	0.417
03/15/2019	vs.	New Jersey	2	3	SOL	SO	17,552	29-32-10	L1	0.417
03/17/2019	at	Dallas	3	2	Win	SO	18,125	30-32-10	W1	0.419
03/18/2019	at	Chicago	3	2	Win	OT	21,496	31-32-10	W2	0.425
03/20/2019	vs.	Ottawa	7	4	Win		18,500	32-32-10	W3	0.432
03/23/2019	vs.	Calgary	1	3	Loss		18,685	32-33-10	L1	0.427
03/24/2019	vs.	Columbus	0	5	Loss		17,805	32-34-10	L2	0.421
03/26/2019	vs.	Anaheim	4	5	Loss		17,633	32-35-10	L3	0.416
03/28/2019	vs.	Los Angeles	3	2	Win	SO	18,524	33-35-10	W1	0.418
03/30/2019	vs.	Dallas	3	2	Win	SO	18,663	34-35-10	W2	0.420
04/02/2019	vs.	San Jose	4	2	Win		18,524	35-35-10	W3	0.428
04/04/2019	at	Nashville	2	3	Loss		17,669	35-36-10	L1	0.422
04/06/2019	at	St. Louis	2	3	SOL	SO	17,970	35-36-11	L2	0.422

Oh look, 2019. Yeah it's totally the Mandela effect, totally.

 

[MS]

Good research....or memory

So many of my buddies keep doing the "here we go again winning the garbage time cup" that i've started to believe it. Maybe it's more that since 2016 we have had so many let downs with our draft picks, free agency and trades that it has me psychologically expecting a mess from a great opportunity.

New regime though so?

Certain things that go against the hoped-for narrative just seem to stick in peoples heads.

2021 we win two games late against Calgary! But only won 4 games total in the last 15.

2016 we win two games in California and Dan Hamhuis who should have been traded scores a winning goal! But we had overall the worst record in the NHL over the last couple months of that season.

Back in 2006 when people still cared more about winning games and making the playoffs than draft pick position, there was the '3 losses to Curtis Sanford!' thing and people think we missed the playoffs because we couldn't beat bad teams that year when in fact we crushed every bad team aside from St. Louis and were horrible against playoff teams.

Literally every team in the bottom-5 of the standings this year hoping for Bedard is going to have some sort of little run at some point in the last few weeks of the season. And that's how it is every year. But fans don't notice what other teams do and what the 'norm' is and hyper-focus on single events involving their team.

 

[MS]

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]03/22/2018[/TD]
[TD]at[/TD]
[TD]Chicago[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Win[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]21,526[/TD]
[TD]26-39-9[/TD]
[TD]W1[/TD]
[TD]0.373[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/23/2018[/TD]
[TD]at[/TD]
[TD]St. Louis[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Loss[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]17,724[/TD]
[TD]26-40-9[/TD]
[TD]L1[/TD]
[TD]0.368[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/25/2018[/TD]
[TD]at[/TD]
[TD]Dallas[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Win[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]18,112[/TD]
[TD]27-40-9[/TD]
[TD]W1[/TD]
[TD]0.376[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/27/2018[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]Anaheim[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Win[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]18,405[/TD]
[TD]28-40-9[/TD]
[TD]W2[/TD]
[TD]0.384[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/29/2018[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]Edmonton[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Win[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]17,883[/TD]
[TD]29-40-9[/TD]
[TD]W3[/TD]
[TD]0.392[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/31/2018[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]Columbus[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Win[/TD]
[TD]OT[/TD]
[TD]18,865[/TD]
[TD]30-40-9[/TD]
[TD]W4[/TD]
[TD]0.397[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]04/03/2018[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]Vegas[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]SOL[/TD]
[TD]SO[/TD]
[TD]18,865[/TD]
[TD]30-40-10[/TD]
[TD]L1[/TD]
[TD]0.398[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]04/05/2018[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]Arizona[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Win[/TD]
[TD]OT[/TD]
[TD]18,865[/TD]
[TD]31-40-10[/TD]
[TD]W1[/TD]
[TD]0.402[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]04/07/2018[/TD]
[TD]at[/TD]
[TD]Edmonton[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]SOL[/TD]
[TD]SO[/TD]
[TD]18,347[/TD]
[TD]31-40-11[/TD]
[TD]L1[/TD]
[TD]0.402[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I guess someone forgot about 2018.

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]
03/13/2019[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]NY Rangers[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Win[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]18,225[/TD]
[TD]29-32-9[/TD]
[TD]W1[/TD]
[TD]0.417[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/15/2019[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]New Jersey[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]SOL[/TD]
[TD]SO[/TD]
[TD]17,552[/TD]
[TD]29-32-10[/TD]
[TD]L1[/TD]
[TD]0.417[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/17/2019[/TD]
[TD]at[/TD]
[TD]Dallas[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Win[/TD]
[TD]SO[/TD]
[TD]18,125[/TD]
[TD]30-32-10[/TD]
[TD]W1[/TD]
[TD]0.419[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/18/2019[/TD]
[TD]at[/TD]
[TD]Chicago[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Win[/TD]
[TD]OT[/TD]
[TD]21,496[/TD]
[TD]31-32-10[/TD]
[TD]W2[/TD]
[TD]0.425[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/20/2019[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]Ottawa[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Win[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]18,500[/TD]
[TD]32-32-10[/TD]
[TD]W3[/TD]
[TD]0.432[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/23/2019[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]Calgary[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Loss[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]18,685[/TD]
[TD]32-33-10[/TD]
[TD]L1[/TD]
[TD]0.427[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/24/2019[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]Columbus[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Loss[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]17,805[/TD]
[TD]32-34-10[/TD]
[TD]L2[/TD]
[TD]0.421[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/26/2019[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]Anaheim[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Loss[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]17,633[/TD]
[TD]32-35-10[/TD]
[TD]L3[/TD]
[TD]0.416[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/28/2019[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]Los Angeles[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Win[/TD]
[TD]SO[/TD]
[TD]18,524[/TD]
[TD]33-35-10[/TD]
[TD]W1[/TD]
[TD]0.418[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]03/30/2019[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]Dallas[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Win[/TD]
[TD]SO[/TD]
[TD]18,663[/TD]
[TD]34-35-10[/TD]
[TD]W2[/TD]
[TD]0.420[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]04/02/2019[/TD]
[TD]vs.[/TD]
[TD]San Jose[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Win[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]18,524[/TD]
[TD]35-35-10[/TD]
[TD]W3[/TD]
[TD]0.428[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]04/04/2019[/TD]
[TD]at[/TD]
[TD]Nashville[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Loss[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]17,669[/TD]
[TD]35-36-10[/TD]
[TD]L1[/TD]
[TD]0.422[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]04/06/2019[/TD]
[TD]at[/TD]
[TD]St. Louis[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]SOL[/TD]
[TD]SO[/TD]
[TD]17,970[/TD]
[TD]35-36-11[/TD]
[TD]L2[/TD]
[TD]0.422[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Oh look, 2019. Yeah it's totally the Mandela effect, totally.

2018 the team was horrible in the 2nd half of the season overall.

2019 the team hovered around .500 all season and finished 1 game below. There was no big run either way there - that whole season was just consistently meh and we were sitting drafting around 10th for the last 50 games of the season.

Again, you can find a stretch like this for every bad team somewhere in the last 25 games of a season for basically every bad team ever.

 

[VanJack]

It's one thing to 'ruin your draft position' in a year where there's no consensus first overall pick or a 'generational talent' like Bedard up for drafting.

But history will show that when McDavid was drafted first overall in 2015 and Bedard was drafted first overall in 2023, the Canucks were one of the worst teams in the entire NHL and still didn't get a sniff.