2023 NHL Draft situation

[Kevin Musto]

I have no complaints if Cristall falls to our Tampa pick.

It would be ridiculous, and many GMs should lose their jobs over it, but I'll gladly reunite Cristall and Bedard.

Zawaski reported that Chicago likes Cristall, so at least they're on the right side of history here. But I'd expect nothing less from Doneghey.

 

[clydesdale line]

Hypothetical question for everyone. Let's assume the lottery balls aren't on the Hawks side and they wind up at #3 pick. Montreal is offering #7 and #12 to move up (you can even argue Arizona as well with #5 and #14), would you do it?

 

[ClydeLee]

Hypothetical question for everyone. Let's assume the lottery balls aren't on the Hawks side and they wind up at #3 pick. Montreal is offering #7 and #12 to move up (you can even argue Arizona as well with #5 and #14), would you do it?

If I have been hearing these teams fear the situation with Michkov and he will be there at 5 or 7. Then, yes.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Hypothetical question for everyone. Let's assume the lottery balls aren't on the Hawks side and they wind up at #3 pick. Montreal is offering #7 and #12 to move up (you can even argue Arizona as well with #5 and #14), would you do it?

This was asked yesterday, and I said that I would just hold my ground at #3 and pick my guy.

I've thought about it more, and I would trade down to 7 and 12, if Montreal made the offer.

I think the guys in that 3-12 area don't have much seperation.

If you can get two of Cristall, Reinbacher, Leonard, Moore, I think that holds a lot more value than Carlsson on his own.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Hypothetical question for everyone. Let's assume the lottery balls aren't on the Hawks side and they wind up at #3 pick. Montreal is offering #7 and #12 to move up (you can even argue Arizona as well with #5 and #14), would you do it?

probably would, take will smith at 7 and whoever is bpa with other pick

If I have been hearing these teams fear the situation with Michkov and he will be there at 5 or 7. Then, yes.

Michkov might end up sliding like Podkolzin who was also consensus top 3 all year

 

[Kevin Musto]

I wonder how the Blackhawks feel about David Reinbacher.

The appeal of cementing our future top pairing is tantalizing.

Korchinski-Reinbacher

Then we'd have Kaiser-Rinzel to round out the top 4.

Damn, that looks nice.

 

[hawksfan50]

IfvI wss guaranteed Smith at#7 sure I would trade #3for #7 and #12..but Smith goes at #5 if Michkov in top 4...otherwise he goes at#4 after Carlsson at#3...nobody taking a dman that early...Hawks crazy if they took a dnan ...need scoribg 1C and 1W...

As to moving up not down after we use our own 1st pick.....We may have a target we like and could put our TB first in a package with 1 oor 2 of of our 4 2nds or our TB first ×1 of our 2nds+1 of ourc3rd to move up to early teens or late teens?to get such target if still on the board...or package 2 seconds to move up to getca 3rd pick in early 20s? maybe if there is a target KD wants still on the board.


As to early teens partners:

CGY has only 5 picks all draft.. Currently they draft 11th pre-lotto..They slso have a 2nd but no third and no 5th....So maybe they would take our TB later first plus another 2nd (our pick from Ittawa) PLUS latter of our 3rd rounders for #11? If KD wants to grab a target still on the boatdat #11 if CGY drafting there or at 10 or 12 after lotto?

PHI is cuttently 7th pre-lotto ...No 2nd nor their own 3rd but they have NYR 3rd..Mayve they wiukd trade down for our TB 1st plus our Ottawa 2nd plus our last 2nd? I do not know if KD would pay such a price unless he feels is better value than just keeping our TB first plus 2 seconds...IF Will Smith falls somehow to 7th ,I doubt OHI fails to grab him ratgercthan take our offer...

If Michkov falls to #7...maybe PHI does not want tge Russian waitcandcrisjand woukd takevourciffer .. IF we got Bedard,Fantkli Carlsdon orcSmith with our own first...THEN we might risk and wait on Michkov...I think that is a scenario KD maybe contemplating using our quality of picks for AFTER we akreadyvtook our guy with our 1st pick of round 1.

That to me IS a ojay KD may give multiple picks for and take the risk...but ONLY after we secure a more certain pick coming faster into our lineup.tgan waiting 3vorvmore seasons after the draft to even see Michkov on the show with us.

But maybe other teams will be making offers too with multiple pick k packages if Michkov falls down to #7 should PHI not want to risk it ...soncevtgey also have no 2nds.


So we shall see...

 

[Larmer83]

Smith =Combo Joe Sakic offensively and Patrice Bergeron defensively

Not even remotely close.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Blackhawks social media hyping up the rebuild

 

[Muffinalt]

Hypothetical question for everyone. Let's assume the lottery balls aren't on the Hawks side and they wind up at #3 pick. Montreal is offering #7 and #12 to move up (you can even argue Arizona as well with #5 and #14), would you do it?

Yeah i asked the same yesterday. I definitely would. I think Carlsson is a lot closer to guys like Moore, Leonard etc, and getting two of those guys would be amazing. Im higher in Michkov, but again 2>1 with him too.

 

[Sarava]

Blackhawks social media hyping up the rebuild

Yeah, they know the Chicago sports fan embraces rebuilds. It worked for the Cubs. It started off like gangbusters for the Sox, but died out. And for the Bears it's so far so good.

 

[swerdnase]

Regarding the draft, it appears they use ping pong type balls like a standard lottery draw. Why cant they make the draw transparent like power ball etc? This would be awesome to watch live and there would be no questioning the process. Does each team receive X amount of balls more or less based on standings? The explanation I found is vague only % is given

Here's a video of the procedure:

 

[EbonyRaptor]

This was asked yesterday, and I said that I would just hold my ground at #3 and pick my guy.

I've thought about it more, and I would trade down to 7 and 12, if Montreal made the offer.

I think the guys in that 3-12 area don't have much seperation.

If you can get two of Cristall, Reinbacher, Leonard, Moore, I think that holds a lot more value than Carlsson on his own.

Hey Musto - what's your take on Gracyn Sawchyn? I've been watching most of the Seattle T-bird games over the past month to watch Korchinski, Allan and Dach and Sawchyn looks pretty good. I gotta think he's rising up the boards and maybe getting into the late 1st round area.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Hey Musto - what's your take on Gracyn Sawchyn? I've been watching most of the Seattle T-bird games over the past month to watch Korchinski, Allan and Dach and Sawchyn looks pretty good. I gotta think he's rising up the boards and maybe getting into the late 1st round area.

I've seen some Sawchyn.

I'm sure I'll get some more games in before the draft.

He's a talented player so I wouldn't balk if I saw him ranked late 1st, but I have him pegged as a 2nd rounder.

He's not unlike Cole Guttman. A small player that is years away from an NHL debut. Not the easiest type of player to project.

I think at times he tries to do too much and it gets him into trouble. Looks good when it works, but that's often not the outcome. For a playmaker, I've seen him miss some obvious passing lanes. He has 40 assists so that might be nitpicky, but he also plays on such a loaded roster so it's a bit easier to rack those up.

I think for me it comes down to where do I see him fitting into an NHL roster, and it's not the easiest fit to find. I don't think he'll ever produce enough to be a top6er, and I don't think he has the size to hack it as a 4th liner. So you're stuck with a scenario where he's either a 3rd liner or a career AHLer (probably a very good AHLer, for what it's worth).

So from my point of view, his outlook is limited. I'd prefer to draft guys with more versatility (or upside). Players who you think can fill more than one type of role on a roster, that way there's more options and higher odds that they find a niche.

Looking at our picks, I think the Tampa 2nd (currently 57th) is the earliest I'd consider him.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

I've seen some Sawchyn.

I'm sure I'll get some more games in before the draft.

He's a talented player so I wouldn't balk if I saw him ranked late 1st, but I have him pegged as a 2nd rounder.

He's not unlike Cole Guttman. A small player that is years away from an NHL debut. Not the easiest type of player to project.

I think at times he tries to do too much and it gets him into trouble. Looks good when it works, but that's often not the outcome. For a playmaker, I've seen him miss some obvious passing lanes. He has 40 assists so that might be nitpicky, but he also plays on such a loaded roster so it's a bit easier to rack those up.

I think for me it comes down to where do I see him fitting into an NHL roster, and it's not the easiest fit to find. I don't think he'll ever produce enough to be a top6er, and I don't think he has the size to hack it as a 4th liner. So you're stuck with a scenario where he's either a 3rd liner or a career AHLer (probably a very good AHLer, for what it's worth).

So from my point of view, his outlook is limited. I'd prefer to draft guys with more versatility (or upside). Players who you think can fill more than one type of role on a roster, that way there's more options and higher odds that they find a niche.

Looking at our picks, I think the Tampa 2nd (currently 57th) is the earliest I'd consider him.

I don't fancy myself as a talent evaluator so even I take my player evaluations with a grain of salt ... but he looks pretty good to me.

 

[Space umpire]

Hypothetical question for everyone. Let's assume the lottery balls aren't on the Hawks side and they wind up at #3 pick. Montreal is offering #7 and #12 to move up (you can even argue Arizona as well with #5 and #14), would you do it?

Post looks familiar ….

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Hypothetical question for everyone. Let's assume the lottery balls aren't on the Hawks side and they wind up at #3 pick. Montreal is offering #7 and #12 to move up (you can even argue Arizona as well with #5 and #14), would you do it?

I think I would. The drop off from Bedard to Fantilli seems huge, the drop off from Fantilli to the second tier seems quite large, the drop off from Carlsson to Smith/Benson/Yager/Dvorsky doesn’t seem all that large.

So if Michkov really is untouchable for the Hawks, ya, I don’t think you lose a ton going from Carlsson to any of the forwards who could be there at 7.

 

[HawksDub89]

Hypothetical question for everyone. Let's assume the lottery balls aren't on the Hawks side and they wind up at #3 pick. Montreal is offering #7 and #12 to move up (you can even argue Arizona as well with #5 and #14), would you do it?

I’d consider it for 5 and 14

 

[Wally1112pac]

Brutal turnover by Hamilton and the Coyotes tie it up with 2 to go.

 

[Youngguns1380]

Columbus and Anaheim have no business being as bad as they are. Just like San Jose and Arizona have no business not fighting with the Hawks for the worst team.

CBJ will have over 500 MGL (Man Games Lost) by the end of the season. We just lost Sean Kuraly for the rest of the season on Thursday as well. We have no D that are top 4. Gudbranson and Berni (7th round) are manning our top D line. That is how decimated by injuries. It started our first game with Carolina when we lost Laine for 4 weeks in his first shift.

No we shouldn’t be this bad but injuries has decimated this group. This Team hasn’t been purposefully tanking, btw the D leads the league in giving up high danger chances by a wide margin.

Now it just seems shameful not to try for Bedard. Like the fans in this thread the CBJ fans don’t want to land outside of the Top 2.

 

[Space umpire]

At 3, I honestly wouldn't be thrilled with Carlsson. It's a serviceable pick, but not one that'll make me jump for joy.

Honestly I would draft Cristall or Leonard at 3. Most people would call it a reach and scrutinize the pick, but I think when you fall in love with a prospect you just gotta go for it.

Could they both be available at 7 and 11? Maybe. But it's still a risk, and I'd probably just hold on to 3rd overall and get my guy.

Leonard over Smith at #3? Why?

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Hypothetical question for everyone. Let's assume the lottery balls aren't on the Hawks side and they wind up at #3 pick. Montreal is offering #7 and #12 to move up (you can even argue Arizona as well with #5 and #14), would you do it?

If Hawks are picking #3 then yes moving down for a package like that IMO would be too good to pass up

 

[hawksrule]

Assuming we’re going to win 3-5 the rest of the way. At this point I’m pretty comfortable that Vancouver and Montreal can’t catch us on our race to the bottom, being 8&9 points ahead with 20 to play. Arizona is 5 points ahead, and if that lead grows at all or doesn’t narrow the in the next handful of games, they’ll have trouble catching us. It’s a four team race among Anaheim, Columbus, San Jose, and Chicago. Anaheim and Columbus are slightly better than the other two.

We have no head to head games against the other 3 leading tankers. CBJ plays Anaheim and SJ. Anaheim and SJ have only the one against Columbus.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Leonard over Smith at #3? Why?

Of the USDP kids I'd rank them:

1. Ryan Leonard
2. Oliver Moore
3. Will Smith
4. Gabe Perreault

Smith is the most naturally gifted of the bunch, but Moore and Leonard make better use of what they have.

Leonard has the most versatility. You can play him anywhere, in all situations. He's a coach's dream.

Moore is an exceptional skater (best in the draft?) and plays responsible defense.

Smith comes with a lot more question marks and concerns that I don't have with Leonard and Moore.

 

[Northernhawk]

#2 Adam Fantilli
#26.Quitin Musty
#34.Caden Price
#46.Gracyn Sawchyn
#58.William Whitelaw