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Kevin Musto said:
I don't know if I'd say lazier, but definitely as lazy as Kane.

Michkov will not do anything in the defensive end. He just waits at the blueline for his team to get the puck to him.

And even the offensive end, if the puck isn't on his stick, he just stands around doing nothing.

He's a complete non factor unless the puck is on his stick. Of course when he is handling the puck, he's absolutely a threat. That's why people like him, that's why his highlights look great. That's why he's labelled an elite superstar prospect. But the rest of the time he's a mediocre liability.

You really have to weigh the pros and cons with a player like that.

Another thing to consider is he scores a lot of his goals from in close. At 148lbs, he's not doing that in the NHL. It just won't happen. So if he's relegated to being a tiny sniper that can do literally nothing else, well I'd rather use my top 3 pick on someone that isn't pocket-sized Laine.
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He is lighter at the moment but he is fearless there among men. Good skater and he is what McKenzie called him an elite scorer behind Bedard. He is not a floater and doesn’t Kane it much like Musto says. Look at his Worlds from last summer and highlights this year. He is not what Musto is stating. Big problem is no scouts can view him in person this year along with the other Russian stuff.

My only concern with Fantilli is he is ‘above average’ goal scoring ability per Bob and Bob said teams may be left wanting on scoring but he is a good skater and around the boards. So can he develop a knack for scoring? Sounds Dach-ish 2.0 a little.

I guess it is a crapshoot after #1 so let’s hope that is the win for us. And I trust our scouting to make the right decision for the plan KD has in place.
 
Putt Pirate said:
Something really really pissed me off on NHL Radio a couple days ago where Mike McKenna (former Blues goalie)said ‘no way they allow Bedard to the Hawks with what went on there’. What a tremendous tool bag. Like the murder capital of the US is where he dreams of playing in St Louis or something.
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I believe the NHL fined the Blackhawks $2 million did they not? Also the amount they settled with the plainiff(s)...it’s true that the matter loomed large for the franchise, but blame has been admitted, wronged have been compensated sufficiently...those involved are gone...no more issues
pertaining to matter are outstanding

The Blackhawks are actually lucky that these didn’t lose draft picks from this matter actually...that’s what I thought was going to happen considering it was a prospect of the league that was affected
 
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Hattrick Kane said:
Rigging the lottery will never happen. If it was, Edmonton wouldn’t have gotten 1 first overall pick and Arizona would have 11 and most certainly got McDavid.
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The entire idea that the NHL and Ernst and Young are going to risk worldwide damage to their reputations by rigging the lottery is pure QAnon tin foil hat nincompoopery.

E&Y is one of the biggest accounting firms in the world. They are not going to involve themselves in rigging a lottery. Full stop.
 
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Giovi said:
The entire idea that the NHL and Ernst and Young are going to risk worldwide damage to their reputations by rigging the lottery is pure QAnon tin foil hat nincompoopery.

E&Y is one of the biggest accounting firms in the world. They are not going to involve themselves in rigging a lottery. Full stop.
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Remember Arthur Andersen? Well they don’t exist anymore over that kind of shit. E&Y are cheap bastards and a shitty place to work, but they’ll never pull something like that.
 
Well.. I just ran the tankathon lottery draft simulator for the 2nd time this season...Last time in December's spin it was Nashville and STL that came up 1 and 2 respectively (both were in lottery position to move upto those spots...

Today when I ran it it came up Arizona and Detroit as 1 and 2 respectively..

Both timeshares only 3rd (from last pre-lotto)...

This is indicative that it will not be easy appeasing the hockey gods to turn luck our way folks..
So.maubexese off on the tank...Rosecrans lsdtcto a later spot and hop that provides more mercy and luck given to us?


I will rin the sim again next month and see what happens.
 
We go Tankers shoukd all realize that what last place really gets you is an 81.5% chance to NOT get the #1 + a100% chance you at least get the #3pick.

It shoukd be said tgat if you ran a draft lottery over a decade of drafts your probability of getting #1is only slightly less than twice in a 10 yr period of you were last forx19 straight seasons!

So this whole business we must finish last as sone fantastic generational prize will certainly drop in our Laos is crazy...

Further IF a team who was last tgevoruircseason did get the #1after tge lottery,it very likely means you have even a worse chance of getting a repeat of he sequence (Last turns into 1st oick) this season....In other if less tgan twice in 10 tries does a last place finisher get the #1,it is very unlikely that their bit less than 2 /10 wins come in back to back lottery seasons...

I remond you all that MTL was last ore-lotto and got the #1 last Draft after the lottery...

Makes it more than likely that scenario (last = 1st) will not repeat for this draft.

Therefore probably best for Hawks to finish 3-8 and get lucky ratger than risk the odds from last to first a 2nd consecutive Drafts lotto.
 
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hawksfan50 said:
We go Tankers shoukd all realize that what last place really gets you is an 81.5% chance to NOT get the #1 + a100% chance you at least get the #3pick.

It shoukd be said tgat if you ran a draft lottery over a decade of drafts your probability of getting #1is only slightly less than twice in a 10 yr period of you were last forx19 straight seasons!

So this whole business we must finish last as sone fantastic generational prize will certainly drop in our Laos is crazy...

Further IF a team who was last tgevoruircseason did get the #1after tge lottery,it very likely means you have even a worse chance of getting a repeat of he sequence (Last turns into 1st oick) this season....In other if less tgan twice in 10 tries does a last place finisher get the #1,it is very unlikely that their bit less than 2 /10 wins come in back to back lottery seasons...

I remond you all that MTL was last ore-lotto and got the #1 last Draft after the lottery...

Makes it more than likely that scenario (last = 1st) will not repeat for this draft.

Therefore probably best for Hawks to finish 3-8 and get lucky ratger than risk the odds from last to first a 2nd consecutive Drafts lotto.
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Love the gamblers fallacy drop at the end of this rant.
 
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hawksfan50 said:
We go Tankers shoukd all realize that what last place really gets you is an 81.5% chance to NOT get the #1 + a100% chance you at least get the #3pick.

It shoukd be said tgat if you ran a draft lottery over a decade of drafts your probability of getting #1is only slightly less than twice in a 10 yr period of you were last forx19 straight seasons!

So this whole business we must finish last as sone fantastic generational prize will certainly drop in our Laos is crazy...

Further IF a team who was last tgevoruircseason did get the #1after tge lottery,it very likely means you have even a worse chance of getting a repeat of he sequence (Last turns into 1st oick) this season....In other if less tgan twice in 10 tries does a last place finisher get the #1,it is very unlikely that their bit less than 2 /10 wins come in back to back lottery seasons...

I remond you all that MTL was last ore-lotto and got the #1 last Draft after the lottery...

Makes it more than likely that scenario (last = 1st) will not repeat for this draft.

Therefore probably best for Hawks to finish 3-8 and get lucky ratger than risk the odds from last to first a 2nd consecutive Drafts lotto.
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This is pretty close to insane. You'd rather have a less statistical chance of getting #1 overall to ensure we have a higher chance of landing #1 overall...then you claim that two events (last year's draw and this year's) that are entirely separate in nature will have an impact on each other...pure madness...

Maybe you're on to something....
 
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EddieTheEagle said:
This is pretty close to insane. You'd rather have a less statistical chance of getting #1 overall to ensure we have a higher chance of landing #1 overall...then you claim that two events (last year's draw and this year's) that are entirely separate in nature will have an impact on each other...pure madness...

Maybe you're on to something....
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The Fidster is the mad hatter hands down!
The way I look at it we have to just trust that whatever pick we get KD will make the right call.
No pick is a guarantee .. even Bedard .. though that is unlikely!
 
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hawksfan50 said:
We go Tankers shoukd all realize that what last place really gets you is an 81.5% chance to NOT get the #1 + a100% chance you at least get the #3pick.

It shoukd be said tgat if you ran a draft lottery over a decade of drafts your probability of getting #1is only slightly less than twice in a 10 yr period of you were last forx19 straight seasons!

So this whole business we must finish last as sone fantastic generational prize will certainly drop in our Laos is crazy...

Further IF a team who was last tgevoruircseason did get the #1after tge lottery,it very likely means you have even a worse chance of getting a repeat of he sequence (Last turns into 1st oick) this season....In other if less tgan twice in 10 tries does a last place finisher get the #1,it is very unlikely that their bit less than 2 /10 wins come in back to back lottery seasons...

I remond you all that MTL was last ore-lotto and got the #1 last Draft after the lottery...

Makes it more than likely that scenario (last = 1st) will not repeat for this draft.

Therefore probably best for Hawks to finish 3-8 and get lucky ratger than risk the odds from last to first a 2nd consecutive Drafts lotto.
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Actually finishing last gives a 25.5% chance at picking 1st.
18.5% chance of winning the lottery. 7% chance that a team ranked 12 or later wins the lottery and only moves up 10 spots.
 
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Kimmo Timonen lataa kovan arvion Connor Bedardista - nämä kaksi ominaisuutta jäävät piippuun: "Ei tule riittämään NHL:ssä"

Kimmo Timonen ja Antti Mäkinen puivat tuoreessa Kimanttia-podcastin jaksossa mm. U20-kisojen sensaatiopelaaja Connor Bedardin arvoa tulevan kesän vaurastilaisuudessa. Mäkinen ehdottaa, että mikäli Arizona Coyotes voittaisi varausloton, kannattaisi Toronto Maple Leafsin tarjota Auston Matthewsia...
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Kimmo Timonen says Bedards 2 feature will not be enough in NHL, willingness to defend and skating. He admits that skating can be develop.
 
Pertti said:
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Kimmo Timonen lataa kovan arvion Connor Bedardista - nämä kaksi ominaisuutta jäävät piippuun: "Ei tule riittämään NHL:ssä"

Kimmo Timonen ja Antti Mäkinen puivat tuoreessa Kimanttia-podcastin jaksossa mm. U20-kisojen sensaatiopelaaja Connor Bedardin arvoa tulevan kesän vaurastilaisuudessa. Mäkinen ehdottaa, että mikäli Arizona Coyotes voittaisi varausloton, kannattaisi Toronto Maple Leafsin tarjota Auston Matthewsia...
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Kimmo Timonen says Bedards 2 feature will not be enough in NHL, willingness to defend and skating. He admits that skating can be develop.
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Kimmo is commenting on people's skating and willingness to defend...

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Kimmo Timonen lataa kovan arvion Connor Bedardista - nämä kaksi ominaisuutta jäävät piippuun: "Ei tule riittämään NHL:ssä"

Kimmo Timonen ja Antti Mäkinen puivat tuoreessa Kimanttia-podcastin jaksossa mm. U20-kisojen sensaatiopelaaja Connor Bedardin arvoa tulevan kesän vaurastilaisuudessa. Mäkinen ehdottaa, että mikäli Arizona Coyotes voittaisi varausloton, kannattaisi Toronto Maple Leafsin tarjota Auston Matthewsia...
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Kimmo Timonen says Bedards 2 feature will not be enough in NHL, willingness to defend and skating. He admits that skating can be develop.
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His skating is really good, what?
 
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EddieTheEagle said:
Kimmo is commenting on people's skating and willingness to defend...

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He was a good skater and a great defenseman before the blood clots and age wrecked him. The only other guy I remember him commenting on was Teuvo before his bad stretch here needing to spend more time in the weight room and less time golfing during the off-season.

No idea what the actual quote is because my Finnish is a bit rusty, but Bedard is a plus skater?
 
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DisgruntledHawkFan said:
He was a good skater and a great defenseman before the blood clots and age wrecked him. The only other guy I remember him commenting on was Teuvo before his bad stretch here needing to spend more time in the weight room and less time golfing during the off-season.

No idea what the actual quote is because my Finnish is a bit rusty, but Bedard is a plus skater?
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That is true, he was a good skater in his prime and I just have haunting memories of his lackluster time with the Hawks, but I wouldn't say any better than Bedard is now. I think Bedard's skating is good but not great, but his IQ and the rest of the package makes up for it. He doesn't have McDavid-level speed but I think he can be fairly deceptive with his edge work.
 
EddieTheEagle said:
That is true, he was a good skater in his prime and I just have haunting memories of his lackluster time with the Hawks, but I wouldn't say any better than Bedard is now. I think Bedard's skating is good but not great, but his IQ and the rest of the package makes up for it. He doesn't have McDavid-level speed but I think he can be fairly deceptive with his edge work.
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Nobody has McDavid level speed (that's any good at hockey). Bedard is certainly above average.
 
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Giovi said:
The entire idea that the NHL and Ernst and Young are going to risk worldwide damage to their reputations by rigging the lottery is pure QAnon tin foil hat nincompoopery.

E&Y is one of the biggest accounting firms in the world. They are not going to involve themselves in rigging a lottery. Full stop.
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I still stand by my belief that the only draft lottery in any sport that was rigged or at least possibly rigged was Patrick Ewing draft lottery. The guy doing the drawing throws the Knicks envelope in the machine bending it so that it can stick out
 
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Kimmo Timonen lataa kovan arvion Connor Bedardista - nämä kaksi ominaisuutta jäävät piippuun: "Ei tule riittämään NHL:ssä"

Kimmo Timonen ja Antti Mäkinen puivat tuoreessa Kimanttia-podcastin jaksossa mm. U20-kisojen sensaatiopelaaja Connor Bedardin arvoa tulevan kesän vaurastilaisuudessa. Mäkinen ehdottaa, että mikäli Arizona Coyotes voittaisi varausloton, kannattaisi Toronto Maple Leafsin tarjota Auston Matthewsia...
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Kimmo Timonen says Bedards 2 feature will not be enough in NHL, willingness to defend and skating. He admits that skating can be develop.
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Well, at least we can say Kimmo would understand first hand what deficiencies in those two areas look like.
 
No longer the worst!

Updated draft positions have the Blackhawks picking #2, #26(TB), #34, #58(TB), #66, #93(Dal) and #98
 

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