BHawk21
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So if the staff decides to go with Carlsson over drafting Cristall you wouldnt go crazy and say they dont know what they are doing because this is not an exact science right?
2023 NHL Draft situation
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Kevin Musto
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Hawkaholic
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He's not a bust, but he isn't that good of a player either. Yet, you act like he is a great player. Crickets on the others. Even saying certain draft picks are garbage (ie/Cozens), make people question your analysis of prospects.
Kevin Musto
Hard for Bedard
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Cozens was a sloppy puck handler that lost possession constantly because he couldn't make decisions quick enough. I don't know what to tell you. That's what he was as a prospect. Haven't watched him since his draft year.
My question with any player like that, will he fold in the playoffs? I hope to see Buffalo in the playoffs this year and then we'll find out.
Hawkaholic
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I'd disagree, he looked really good as a prospect, and was definitely deserving of a top 10 pick. you had him ranked like 27th days before the draft. lol
He's still really young, lots of time to prove himself, but he's definitely better than Strome.
ColbyChaos
Ring-A-Ring-A-Ring, Ring-A-Ring-A-Ring
He thought Zegras sucked because of a video of him doing suicides during the combine
Kevin Musto
Hard for Bedard
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False.He thought Zegras sucked because of a video of him doing suicides during the combine
I took issue with Zegras because he relied too much on perimeter play and I felt like NHL defenders would have an easy time neutralizing him if they could force him to the outside and have him take low danger shots.
Hattrick Kane
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I mean, those scouts did what most of us would do. They saw insane offensive talent and a big body, so he went incredibly high.
Sometimes it can blind us however. its always hard to determine how good or bad defensively they are in the juniors since not a lot of quality defense is played. And obviously people figured his skating would improve at least a little (it never did which is crazy).
RememberTheRoar
“I’m not as worried about the 5-on-5 scoring.”
Those scouts are not 5 years later still kneeling in front of Strome.
A mistake in judgement is live able. Refusing to admit the error is Musto.
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Michkov should be second not 5th based on skill. If you are doing it because he is Russian please state that. But if we pick second I would like him over Carlsson, Fantilli, anyone else. In 3 years when he comes over we can start making the progress upwards.
Kaners Bald Spot
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1. Given that Bedard played wing for Canada, is he likely to play wing in the NHL?
2. I don't think Michkov is enough better than Fantilli/Carlsson like Bedard is(even if Bedard doesn't stick at C) to make up the positional gap.
Michkov is a 5-10 winger and he's not Bedard.
Therefore, I have Fantilli/Carlsson who both have a really good shot of sticking at C ahead of him.
If the Hawks end up picking 4th I'd draft Michkov without hesitation though.
The way I view it:
1. Bedard
(Gap)
2. Fantilli
3. Carlsson
(C vs W gap)
4. Michkov
(Massive gap to the rest of the draft)
I think Bedard is special, and the other 3 are all 1OA quality prospects. Just don't fall to 5.
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Though I like Carlsson, he didn’t lift my skirt up at WJC. Michkov is a scorer performing similar to better than Ovi and Malkin at the same age. I would prefer that than strictly C….because we are signing McD in 3 years 
. We don’t have to draft every player. Some will come with trades and FA.
Bedard
(Gap)
Michkov
(Gap)
Fantilli
Carlsson
Any of these 4 is a win for the Hawks though.
. We don’t have to draft every player. Some will come with trades and FA. Bedard
(Gap)
Michkov
(Gap)
Fantilli
Carlsson
Any of these 4 is a win for the Hawks though.
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Just the speculation after his KHL contract is up. I know that as well as anyone knows who or when someone is injured, etc. Just speculating.
ClydeLee
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Feels too fitting to not include, I am not aware of the actual stats or whatnot
clydesdale line
Connor BeJesus
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You do realize Fantilli also played wing in WJC right? Canada was deep and several of their centers were older and basically "had more seniority" in a sense... of course the kids played wing on a deep Canada team.
RememberTheRoar
“I’m not as worried about the 5-on-5 scoring.”
Hawkaholic
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This is my thoughts as well, maybe even a slight gap between fantilli and Carlsson.Though I like Carlsson, he didn’t lift my skirt up at WJC. Michkov is a scorer performing similar to better than Ovi and Malkin at the same age. I would prefer that than strictly C….because we are signing McD in 3 years
Bedard
(Gap)
Michkov
(Gap)
Fantilli
Carlsson
Any of these 4 is a win for the Hawks though.
Kevin Musto
Hard for Bedard
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Whether you feel that way or not, I guarantee KD does not.
Michkov is way too lazy for KD's liking. Doesn't fit his team identity at all.
Kevin Musto
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I don't know if I'd say lazier, but definitely as lazy as Kane.
Michkov will not do anything in the defensive end. He just waits at the blueline for his team to get the puck to him.
And even the offensive end, if the puck isn't on his stick, he just stands around doing nothing.
He's a complete non factor unless the puck is on his stick. Of course when he is handling the puck, he's absolutely a threat. That's why people like him, that's why his highlights look great. That's why he's labelled an elite superstar prospect. But the rest of the time he's a mediocre liability.
You really have to weigh the pros and cons with a player like that.
Another thing to consider is he scores a lot of his goals from in close. At 148lbs, he's not doing that in the NHL. It just won't happen. So if he's relegated to being a tiny sniper that can do literally nothing else, well I'd rather use my top 3 pick on someone that isn't pocket-sized Laine.
Agreed except, like I stated before,Though I like Carlsson, he didn’t lift my skirt up at WJC. Michkov is a scorer performing similar to better than Ovi and Malkin at the same age. I would prefer that than strictly C….because we are signing McD in 3 years
Bedard
(Gap)
Michkov
(Gap)
Fantilli
Carlsson
Any of these 4 is a win for the Hawks though.
Obviously if the Hawks pick first they take Bedard...
If they pick second or third it’s either Carlsson or Fantilli...
If they acquire a third(and fourth) 1st rounder they take Michkov at either 2 or 3, they could afford to wait is my thinking
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Something really really pissed me off on NHL Radio a couple days ago where Mike McKenna (former Blues goalie)said ‘no way they allow Bedard to the Hawks with what went on there’. What a tremendous tool bag. Like the murder capital of the US is where he dreams of playing in St Louis or something.
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