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OK - this is going to sound stupid (most likely because it is) - but this is just meant to be food for thought so "hear" me out.

Would getting Bedard hurt the rebuild? I'll pause a minute to give you time to stop the incredulous laughing.

The premise of the question is that the rebuild will take several years of top-10 draft picks to provide the players and the timing of ELC contracts before the Hawks would move into legitimate contender status and be in position to supplement the young core group with high end free agents to complete the rebuild.

Bedard will immediately step into the NHL as an 18 year old and it is not hyperbole to believe he will have an immediate impact on his team. Would his impact be enough to raise the Hawks 2024/25 draft picks from top-5 to somewhere in the 10-15 range? If it would - wouldn't that cut the rebuild short of acquiring the numbers of high level picks needed to complete the rebuild for sustained success?

With Fantilli most likely playing college again next year - the Hawks will be in "good" position to get the #1 pick in 2024 - whoever that ends up being. Ideally they are bad again in 2024 to be in the running for the #1 pick in 2025 too.

It's kind of like asking the question - OK, now that we got Bedard - now what?

Just something to think about.
 
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EbonyRaptor said:
OK - this is going to sound stupid (most likely because it is) - but this is just meant to be food for thought so "hear" me out.

Would getting Bedard hurt the rebuild? I'll pause a minute to give you time to stop the incredulous laughing.

The premise of the question is that the rebuild will take several years of top-10 draft picks to provide the players and the timing of ELC contracts before the Hawks would move into legitimate contender status and be in position to supplement the young core group with high end free agents to complete the rebuild.

Bedard will immediately step into the NHL as an 18 year old and it is not hyperbole to believe he will have an immediate impact on his team. Would his impact be enough to raise the Hawks 2024/25 draft picks from top-5 to somewhere in the 10-15 range? If it would - wouldn't that cut the rebuild short of acquiring the numbers of high level picks needed to complete the rebuild for sustained success?

With Fantilli most likely playing college again next year - the Hawks will be in "good" position to get the #1 pick in 2024 - whoever that ends up being. Ideally they are bad again in 2024 to be in the running for the #1 pick in 2025 too.

It's kind of like asking the question - OK, now that we got Bedard - now what?

Just something to think about.
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Hockey is a team sport. With or without Bedard Chicago will be terrible next year.
 
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It's just plain exciting to be even discussing the possibility of landing a potentially generational player such as Bedard. I don't think getting him would sabotage the rebuild. He's not going to make that big of a difference as an 18 year old .. and even if he does there's no saying who we draft at 8th OA vs top 3 in 24 is not going to be as good or better.
 
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Hockey is a team sport. With or without Bedard Chicago will be terrible next year.
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Terrible, ya. But I think he’s asking whether they’ll be terrible enough to stay in contention for #1 in 2024 and potentially 2025.

Bedard could make a difference there in theory. But you can’t ignore the impact of potentially having the best or second best player in the nhl for a decade+.
 
EbonyRaptor said:
OK - this is going to sound stupid (most likely because it is) - but this is just meant to be food for thought so "hear" me out.

Would getting Bedard hurt the rebuild? I'll pause a minute to give you time to stop the incredulous laughing.

The premise of the question is that the rebuild will take several years of top-10 draft picks to provide the players and the timing of ELC contracts before the Hawks would move into legitimate contender status and be in position to supplement the young core group with high end free agents to complete the rebuild.

Bedard will immediately step into the NHL as an 18 year old and it is not hyperbole to believe he will have an immediate impact on his team. Would his impact be enough to raise the Hawks 2024/25 draft picks from top-5 to somewhere in the 10-15 range? If it would - wouldn't that cut the rebuild short of acquiring the numbers of high level picks needed to complete the rebuild for sustained success?

With Fantilli most likely playing college again next year - the Hawks will be in "good" position to get the #1 pick in 2024 - whoever that ends up being. Ideally they are bad again in 2024 to be in the running for the #1 pick in 2025 too.

It's kind of like asking the question - OK, now that we got Bedard - now what?

Just something to think about.
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Connor Bedard on his own isn't going to be enough to make a difference on this team. Much like Kane being as great as he was the past 4 years wasn't enough to do anything for CHI. Not to mention, Bedard will be 18 and a rookie. Is he going to make an impact? For sure. But I don't think he's going to score 100+ points next year, especially not in CHI with the talent projected to be here.

Fantilli, I would suspect, is going to turn Pro after the draft. I can't see him staying in college another year. He'll make much less of an impact than Bedard next year, but he'll be in either the NHL or AHL I'd suspect.

At the end of the day, you take the best player no matter what. Bedard should be the hope. He elevates players around him and CHI is going to have multiple 1st/2nd round picks for the next couple years, so they'll be stocking up talent fairly quickly.
 
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EbonyRaptor said:
OK - this is going to sound stupid (most likely because it is) - but this is just meant to be food for thought so "hear" me out.

Would getting Bedard hurt the rebuild? I'll pause a minute to give you time to stop the incredulous laughing.

The premise of the question is that the rebuild will take several years of top-10 draft picks to provide the players and the timing of ELC contracts before the Hawks would move into legitimate contender status and be in position to supplement the young core group with high end free agents to complete the rebuild.

Bedard will immediately step into the NHL as an 18 year old and it is not hyperbole to believe he will have an immediate impact on his team. Would his impact be enough to raise the Hawks 2024/25 draft picks from top-5 to somewhere in the 10-15 range? If it would - wouldn't that cut the rebuild short of acquiring the numbers of high level picks needed to complete the rebuild for sustained success?

With Fantilli most likely playing college again next year - the Hawks will be in "good" position to get the #1 pick in 2024 - whoever that ends up being. Ideally they are bad again in 2024 to be in the running for the #1 pick in 2025 too.

It's kind of like asking the question - OK, now that we got Bedard - now what?

Just something to think about.
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Team will still be bad with Bedard on it.

Does Bedard make the difference between picking 3rd vs picking 6th? Maybe.

But it depends what the upcoming draft classes look like.

Laf, Power, and Slaf were the previous 1st overall picks. I'd rather have Bedard than those three combined. So if the upcoming draft classes have 1st overall picks comparable to recent years, you come out way further ahead having Bedard.
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Would he be sure fire to make the NHL next year?
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Yes.
 
EbonyRaptor said:
OK - this is going to sound stupid (most likely because it is) - but this is just meant to be food for thought so "hear" me out.

Would getting Bedard hurt the rebuild? I'll pause a minute to give you time to stop the incredulous laughing.

The premise of the question is that the rebuild will take several years of top-10 draft picks to provide the players and the timing of ELC contracts before the Hawks would move into legitimate contender status and be in position to supplement the young core group with high end free agents to complete the rebuild.

Bedard will immediately step into the NHL as an 18 year old and it is not hyperbole to believe he will have an immediate impact on his team. Would his impact be enough to raise the Hawks 2024/25 draft picks from top-5 to somewhere in the 10-15 range? If it would - wouldn't that cut the rebuild short of acquiring the numbers of high level picks needed to complete the rebuild for sustained success?

With Fantilli most likely playing college again next year - the Hawks will be in "good" position to get the #1 pick in 2024 - whoever that ends up being. Ideally they are bad again in 2024 to be in the running for the #1 pick in 2025 too.

It's kind of like asking the question - OK, now that we got Bedard - now what?

Just something to think about.
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It'd probably only be an issue if he was single-handedly good enough to keep us picking in the 12-18 range. Given McDavid couldn't do that, I don't see any reason to worry.
 
I am tempering my expectations on the lottery. If we don't win it we still get a great prospect that will help us in our progress towards turning it around. We are going to be in the lottery mix the next couple years following so we can still keep restocking with future drafts and maximizing our cap situation by taking on some bad contracts we should still be in fantastic shape either way.
 
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EddieTheEagle said:
If we win that lotto, you'll see a Bedard 98 Hawks jersey ordered 15 seconds after. My ass will be $200 poorer.
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DisgruntledHawkFan said:
Being worried about getting Bedard and it ruining next year's tank is a take I never thought I'd see but here we are.
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It absolutely is out there and I think people are looking at the WHY getting Bedard could hurt the rebuild.

It's not that the team would be good with him next year, but the problem is does it make the team make rash decisions. It's easy to say it's a 5 year rebuild when you have nothing, but harder to keep that up when all the pressure is saying you gotta win with this kid now, and you become Toronto/Edmonton making awful signings to win too soon and wrecking their path.
 
What a ridiculous thought, what are you gonna do? Not pick him so that next year you'll have a better pick?
 
ClydeLee said:
It absolutely is out there and I think people are looking at the WHY getting Bedard could hurt the rebuild.

It's not that the team would be good with him next year, but the problem is does it make the team make rash decisions. It's easy to say it's a 5 year rebuild when you have nothing, but harder to keep that up when all the pressure is saying you gotta win with this kid now, and you become Toronto/Edmonton making awful signings to win too soon and wrecking their path.
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Putting the cart before the horse my man.
 
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I think it's more likely playing on our team next year hurts Bedard than helps us.

If we are lucky enough to get Bedard, I think we step up the quality of FAs we sign another notch. This year we signed guys that were good enough to flip, but not win with. I think if Bedard (or whomever our consolation prize is) plays here next year you sign at least a couple guys that are more competitive night in and night out for him to play with.

Still not enough to really win consistently mind you, just a couple linemates to insulate the kid so he's not on an island out there. Even if we're not winning you want him to have regular, competitive shifts, not just a year of running around in his own zone.
 
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We will still be a dumpster fire next year with or without Bedard.

Think of next years team as the same as this years team. (the roster will be 80% the same)

Now swap Kane out and Bedard in.

It's still going to be a train wreck.

We will be bottom 3 if not dead last with a bullet.
 
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We will still be a dumpster fire next year with or without Bedard.

Think of next years team as the same as this years team. (the roster will be 80% the same)

Now swap Kane out and Bedard in.

It's still going to be a train wreck.

We will be bottom 3 if not dead last with a bullet.
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Hope they add some offensive players to at least make the games watchable. I am not talking Ovechkin level but at this point even the ABC line would be an upgrade.
 
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I doubt they'll leave Bedard with crap for linemates on his line. I can see Davidson adding a solid veteran winger(s) to kinda ease the transition in for Bedard. And by solid veterans I mean top 6 talent wise.
 
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Tj Oshie might be a good fit to add a vet and you might actually get an asset to take the contract if the Caps want to shed salary and get younger. He seems like a great guy to have in the room for young players. Really liked what I saw from him earlier in the year helping along Hendrix Lapierre. He has a 10 team no trade list though.

Here he is after Lapierre got his first goal.


Edit: Damn.Time flies that was last season
 
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Behn Wilson said:
Hope they add some offensive players to at least make the games watchable. I am not talking Ovechkin level but at this point even the ABC line would be an upgrade.
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Arnason, Bell and Calder could probably still make the team next year.

I don't think the team will add anyone impactful this off season.

It will be year 2 of the rebuild.

Probably sign a couple middle 6 guys like Domi and Andreas.
 
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